F/A-18C Discussion

[Rusty_M]

That'd be funny of the throttle had detachable grips too.

 

I was thinking about that concept when I first got my Warthog - a HOTAS range with interchangeable handles. I tried to figure out how possible that would be as a business concern, but stopped, because I'm not an engineer and know nothing about business, so I'm the wrong person to think about that.

[SkateZilla]

Ask and You Shall Receive:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1721970#post1721970

[r3m]

Does ED have people that contact Boeing and basically ask for everything they need?

 

I mean, I'm just curious how ED is going to acquire all the necessary information to produce the F/A-18C at the study sim level of ie the A-10C module. I know that ED or some part of ED was making the A-10C sim for the Air National Guard prior to the release of A-10C and thus had access to all relevant information to produce the module at the level they did, which in turn likely decreased the development time for A-10C.

 

Since AFAIK a similar situation isn't happening for F/A-18C and the rest of the modules mentioned in the March newsletter, wouldn't that imply a longer development cycle than A-10C?

[NineLine]

Does ED have people that contact Boeing and basically ask for everything they need?

 

I mean, I'm just curious how ED is going to acquire all the necessary information to produce the F/A-18C at the study sim level of ie the A-10C module. I know that ED or some part of ED was making the A-10C sim for the Air National Guard prior to the release of A-10C and thus had access to all relevant information to produce the module at the level they did, which in turn likely decreased the development time for A-10C.

 

Since AFAIK a similar situation isn't happening for F/A-18C and the rest of the modules mentioned in the March newsletter, wouldn't that imply a longer development cycle than A-10C?

 

 

I dont think we have much in information right now, if the plan is to be a module at the A-10C level then I imagine they have sources for all the information they are publicly allowed to release in this module. I have seen enough to know that they dont do a great deal of guessing, so you can bet for a F-18 AFM they will have enough information to create it properly. Thats just my personal opinion though :)

[Revelation]

Does ED have people that contact Boeing and basically ask for everything they need?

 

I mean, I'm just curious how ED is going to acquire all the necessary information to produce the F/A-18C at the study sim level of ie the A-10C module. I know that ED or some part of ED was making the A-10C sim for the Air National Guard prior to the release of A-10C and thus had access to all relevant information to produce the module at the level they did, which in turn likely decreased the development time for A-10C.

 

Since AFAIK a similar situation isn't happening for F/A-18C and the rest of the modules mentioned in the March newsletter, wouldn't that imply a longer development cycle than A-10C?

 

The F/A-18C module has been in development for some time, think way back when ED went from the A-10 to A-10C...

 

Further more, there was a video on Air Force news when I was in Afghanistan in 2011 that depicted a pilot flying an F/A-18 flight sim with a TM Warthog.

 

It did not state whom was the designer of the software, but it reminded me a lot of ED's work. It may not be them, but I have a feeling it was.

 

Also, just because ED hasn't announced that they are currently working on a contract with DoD doesn't mean that they aren't. Developers of software for DoD agencies are always inundated with NDAs.

[r3m]

I dont think we have much in information right now

 

I see, well thanks for the replies from both gentlemen. :)

 

Interesting listening to Matt Wagner discuss the radar selection and other details concerning DCS F/A-18C from the fsbreak.net podcast, particularly the intention to model the APG-73 for the 18 and APG-63 v1 for the 15.

 

Revelation: I wonder what evidence there is that the module has been in development for several years? I know there are the F/A-18x sims with the dodecahedron pits at NAS Lemoore and others, but those were developed by L-3 Communications.

[NineLine]

I see, well thanks for the replies from both gentlemen. :)

 

Interesting listening to Matt Wagner discuss the radar selection and other details concerning DCS F/A-18C from the fsbreak.net podcast, particularly the intention to model the APG-73 for the 18 and APG-63 v1 for the 15.

 

Revelation: I wonder what evidence there is that the module has been in development for several years? I know there are the F/A-18x sims with the dodecahedron pits at NAS Lemoore and others, but those were developed by L-3 Communications.

 

 

I dont think there is really evidence to say where any of the future modules are in development. People can guestimate all day long... but official word is all you can really bank on and we just havent had that much yet.

[Miles Vorkosigan]

People can guestimate all day long... but official word is all you can really bank on and we just havent had that much yet.

 

 

 

I can't wait, I am building my F/A-18C cockpit now ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

More details on the build here:

 

hornetpits.org

[SUBS17]

That looks like an awesome pit under construction.

[Crazyowl]

Are there any proof of the F18 being in development???

[cichlidfan]

Are there any proof of the F18 being in development???

 

That would probably depend on your definitions of both 'proof' and 'development'. ;)

[Rykane]

This image was posted on the DCS A10C warthog facebook, it don't think its an official facebook page and its probably fan run but i spy a f/a-18 wing :D

 

[LexiconG2]

Well if it's not high fidelity I am not going to buy it. I don't want any more modules that are not high fidelity full cockpit control. I have FC3 but even if 6D cockpit may look nice there is no physics as of yet which would make FC3 better and also you cant control the cockpit which to me for this sim environment is not ok. For MP quick action FC3 is fun. But I don't use this module I would be willing to pay $100 for each full active module in high fidelity and I am also willing to wait for them to be developed. One issue I have found is the sound... A-10C sounds realistic but FC3 sounds are not accurate at all.

 

 

CJ Kinsey

[K2mil]

I would be willing to pay $100 for each full active module in high fidelity and I am also willing to wait for them to be developed. One issue I have found is the sound... A-10C sounds realistic but FC3 sounds are not accurate at all.

 

 

CJ Kinsey

 

I think that current prices are OK for general public. Now I would prefer ED to start doing "early access" (like Arma III) with option to donate to devs. for their amazing work this way they would boost the sales dramatically because lets face it most of us would buy it right away and donate to motivate them....

[Nealius]

A-10C sounds don't sound very realistic to me. With earplugs and a helmet engine noise and releasing munitions would not be that loud. I have read that, according to real pilots, launching a missile is nearly silent from their perspective. And being able to hear a tank explode while you are 6,000 feet in the air and 1 mile away WITH said earplugs and helmet is just ridiculous. I do like the realistic sound delay though.

 

The F/A-18 sounds really exciting. I hope it is a Legacy Hornet and comes with the option of Swiss markings :)

[LexiconG2]

I think that current prices are OK for general public. Now I would prefer ED to start doing "early access" (like Arma III) with option to donate to devs. for their amazing work this way they would boost the sales dramatically because lets face it most of us would buy it right away and donate to motivate them....

 

Early access is nice but can have some pros and cons as far as the development cycle. For most games there is a SLA (service level agreement) the game has to be developed. Money and stake holders are invested and big companies are involved. So early access can only be a good thing. For smaller developers like ED they would get your money and may not have the stake holders or investors that other projects have there is no loss prevention in place. There might be a un-motivating factor and there is no SLA for a project no big companies involved so it could fall through because of many factors, death, team falling apart, delays and plain cancelation of a project. Each developer on this project should earn your money with high quality products.

Edited April 21, 2013 by LexiconG2

[LexiconG2]

A-10C sounds don't sound very realistic to me. With earplugs and a helmet engine noise and releasing munitions would not be that loud. I have read that, according to real pilots, launching a missile is nearly silent from their perspective. And being able to hear a tank explode while you are 6,000 feet in the air and 1 mile away WITH said earplugs and helmet is just ridiculous. I do like the realistic sound delay though.

 

The F/A-18 sounds really exciting. I hope it is a Legacy Hornet and comes with the option of Swiss markings :)

 

I agree the whole thing could be overhauled.

[Nealius]

I would be happy even if they just added impact sounds for the GAU-8. It's weird watching a track of your target and seeing the impacts but not hearing anything.

[LexiconG2]

I would be happy even if they just added impact sounds for the GAU-8. It's weird watching a track of your target and seeing the impacts but not hearing anything.

 

I can hear them on water... and also with some objects.

[Slick_441]

This image was posted on the DCS A10C warthog facebook, it don't think its an official facebook page and its probably fan run but i spy a f/a-18 wing :D

 

 

 

This just made my whole week :)

[SkateZilla]

This image was posted on the DCS A10C warthog facebook, it don't think its an official facebook page and its probably fan run but i spy a f/a-18 wing :D

 

 

There are "Fly any plane" mods that make them flyable, and LUA Edits that allow you to specify certain pits for certain planes.

 

Also, i think there were 3 dev groups working on a F-18C for internal use only.

[leafer]

How can you tell it's super hornet and more importantly who took the screenshot?

[NoJoe]

It looks to me like it's a shot from FSX, judging by the terrain textures and the appearance of the small lake below the wing tip. Still, great looking screenshot, and I still can't wait for DCS: Hornet! :D

 

--NoJoe

[Slick_441]

Yup, VRS Superbug... Was too excited to look closer lol

[leafer]

Ahh, thanks. I knew it was too good to be true. One of the best looking military jets she is. The super hornet not so much.