I do not like 6DOF cockpit, I can re-use old 2D cockpit?

[hx5791]

I do not like 6DOF cockpit, I can re-use old 2D cockpit?

[Mustang]

I do not like 6DOF cockpit, I can re-use old 2D cockpit?

 

Understandable request I guess if the cockpit is causing frame rate issues, which cockpit are you wanting to go back to?

 

All the new FC3 cockpits are located in

 

Mods\aircrafts\Flaming Cliffs\Cockpit\Resources\Model\Shape

 

remove the one that you don't want and it might revert back to the old cockpit if the old pit models are still present in the Bazar\World\Shapes folder (Kabina-SU-27.cmd is the older cockpit for the SU-27 for example)

Edited May 6, 2013 by Mustang

[hx5791]

Thank you very much!However, delete "Mods\aircrafts\Flaming Cliffs\Cockpit\Resources\Model\Shape", cockpit there are problems。

 

Please help！！！

[Mustang]

This might be because the new cockpits have new coordinates for the head position, placement of cockpit etc - it might be an idea to try the old files from the Config\View folder of an older version of DCS such as 1.2.2.

 

You might find out in the end that none of this will work, its 50/50 so good luck.

[Airbuster]

That will be nice to be included in the options menu - "use simplified cockpit", for users with older PCs.

 

Anyway, how can one not like the new 6dof top of the line cockpits - the best out there? ;)

[agrasyuk]

Why go backwards? Perhaps time to update PC instead? Its not like uber machine is required to run relatively playable frame rates.

[FLANKERATOR]

Frame rate with new cockpits is a big let down for me. I have even tried medium preset still not smooth enough, low preset has poor textures and FPS still not good enough. I've decreased terrain loading distance by half still no joy. Went trying to tune up DCS Nvidia 3D settings but with no significant gain whatsoever, ended up flying FC2. Added stuff is awesome but my PC is no match for it anymore.

Does anyone know how to edit FOV values as default is too close ?

Also HUD keeps hiding when maneuvering, is there a way to center HUD or head movement is the only way to go?

[Witchking]

wow...its like people complaining that battlefield graphics are too good...so they should scale it down to battlefield 2 level so that people with older PCs (Pentium 4 era) can play it.

 

I understand about playability..but as previously said...just means its time for an upgrade...but a shitty reason to stop progress. Just IMO.

[SharpeXB]

Lack of 3D cockpits would really hold back FC in the marketplace. The 2D pits are a total turn off.

PC upgrades are just a fact of life in this hobby

[Dudester22]

I beg to differ :)

 

I really hope a patch comes out soon to stop adding features and just optimize things, cause with each new patch I've slowly gone from reasonable to unplayable framerates for a fast-paced battle situation.

 

I would say most people who buy these type of games have the computers to run them now. Do you really think the developers are going to just stick with old technology and not move forward in anyway? Seriously, we would all still be living in caves if life was like that. I would suggest buying a new computer if you are having problems with the game. Many people like myself are looking forward to seeing all these new features.

 

I have what I would call a decent computer, it's not a top of the range one, but I can run the game at 50 to 34 FPS. I am just about to lock my frames at 30 FPS, because I see that as been totally playable still. If you cannot get 30 FPS you definitely need a new computer.

[Dimebag]

I find the biggest thing that demands my pc is airport clutter. Other than that, the Pitts are well optimised for what you get.

[TordinVarglund]

I would say most people who buy these type of games have the computers to run them now. Do you really think the developers are going to just stick with old technology and not move forward in anyway? Seriously, we would all still be living in caves if life was like that. I would suggest buying a new computer if you are having problems with the game. Many people like myself are looking forward to seeing all these new features.

 

I have what I would call a decent computer, it's not a top of the range one, but I can run the game at 50 to 34 FPS. I am just about to lock my frames at 30 FPS, because I see that as been totally playable still. If you cannot get 30 FPS you definitely need a new computer.

 

And yet at the same time, i run a watercooled 5GHz i7 2600k with 16gb of 2133MHz memory and a 7970, and my framerates can run from anywhere from 20-100. btw, the vast majority of people would not consider 30fps even remotely playable.

 

If anything one of the reasons why this runs so bad is because of the old and outdated tech that goes into it, and dont give me one of those "its a simulation, its much heavier to run etc etc". That is simply not true. I have literally never come across any game engine that works slower than this one does. If it wasnt for the great flightmodels and fidelity offered by ED i seriously doubt that i would ever have bothered, becuase the engine that its all based on currently is seriously, seriously not good. We can only hope that EDGE fixes most of these problems.

[Haukka81]

And yet at the same time, i run a watercooled 5GHz i7 2600k with 16gb of 2133MHz memory and a 7970, and my framerates can run from anywhere from 20-100. btw, the vast majority of people would not consider 30fps even remotely playable.

 

If anything one of the reasons why this runs so bad is because of the old and outdated tech that goes into it, and dont give me one of those "its a simulation, its much heavier to run etc etc". That is simply not true. I have literally never come across any game engine that works slower than this one does. If it wasnt for the great flightmodels and fidelity offered by ED i seriously doubt that i would ever have bothered, becuase the engine that its all based on currently is seriously, seriously not good. We can only hope that EDGE fixes most of these problems.

 

 

+1 for this.

[Biggles07]

I find the biggest thing that demands my pc is airport clutter. Other than that, the Pitts are well optimised for what you get.

 

Yes airport clutter is a drag, but I have to respectfully disagree that 'the Pitts are well optimised for what you get', mate at least at present regarding the new SU-27 Pit when turning on instrument lights. :) A massive 25-30 FPS loss on the deck occurs on my rig (Sabretooth Z77, i7 3770K, GTX580, Samsung 840 Pro Series SSD, 8gb Corsair Platinum @2133, Driver Version WHQL 314.22)....which I'm not sure is a sign of good optimisation (as of now) hehe. Same situation with the new hotfix released yesterday. They will sort it out I'm sure, just a bit of a PITA in the meantime as I like night time and dusk-first light type sorties. :)

 

I also have massive FPS loss in the Stang pit when grounded and engine is cranked up and started....for whatever reason. Maybe it is something to do with prop animation or whatever, no idea but things are fine when engine is off.

 

Cheers. :)

Edited May 7, 2013 by Biggles07
Specs and addendum

[hx5791]

Existing 6DOF cockpit led to a significant drop in FPS, which is an important reason I do not like 6DOF.Compared to the original cockpit, the HUD 6DOF cockpit instrument on the font is too small, resulting in viewing angle is maximized in order to see.

Therefore, I hope to be able to use the original cockpit

 

Sorry, my English is very poor.The above text is to use the Google translation.

[Lord_Pyro]

No FPS loss for cockpitlights here, maybe it not a general issue.

I always turn cockpitlights on regardless if its dcs or fc3 aircraft as it just looks cooler and never had this impacting my performance.

[hx5791]

No FPS loss for cockpitlights here, maybe it not a general issue.

I always turn cockpitlights on regardless if its dcs or fc3 aircraft as it just looks cooler and never had this impacting my performance.

 

How do you do?Or do you only use F-15C?

Versions before 1.2.2, I use the SU27, FPS average of 40.Now, only 20.

 

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Edited May 7, 2013 by hx5791

[Biggles07]

No FPS loss for cockpitlights here, maybe it not a general issue.

I always turn cockpitlights on regardless if its dcs or fc3 aircraft as it just looks cooler and never had this impacting my performance.

 

Thanks Pyro, I meant to ask whether others were experiencing it too....useful info. :) Just to be clear and repeat myself it is the new 6DOF Flanker pit instrument lights that cause the problem. I have already tried a DCS world repair but this does not solve the problem. Any chance of seeing your specs please? It would be great if any others who experience big FPS loss when pressing 'L' for instrument lights in the Flanker could chime in to confirm too. :)

 

EDIT: Just saw your post Hx, thanks. :)

Edited May 7, 2013 by Biggles07

[Frostie]

Frame rate with new cockpits is a big let down for me. I have even tried medium preset still not smooth enough, low preset has poor textures and FPS still not good enough. I've decreased terrain loading distance by half still no joy. Went trying to tune up DCS Nvidia 3D settings but with no significant gain whatsoever, ended up flying FC2. Added stuff is awesome but my PC is no match for it anymore.

Does anyone know how to edit FOV values as default is too close ?

Also HUD keeps hiding when maneuvering, is there a way to center HUD or head movement is the only way to go?

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=54414&highlight=canopy+scratches

 

Try the .bmp files in this mod to remove scratches from the canopy, may well help with FPS in the new cockpit.

[FLANKERATOR]

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=54414&highlight=canopy+scratches

 

Try the .bmp files in this mod to remove scratches from the canopy, may well help with FPS in the new cockpit.

 

Thanks Frostie, will definitely give that a shot :thumbup:

[Dimebag]

Can't say I have noticed any difference in frame rates when turning on lighting in the new su-27 pit.

[Kuky]

I get few extra % loss also when I turn lights on in Su-27 so there is definitely something extra in that pit that other pits don't have (I am guessing it's the extra lighting effects).

[Mustang]

I still reckon it's those glass scratches causing the problems in the 27, especially when they're overdrawn like they are at present.

 

[Ryback]

Here is my report:

 

 

SU-27 Lights Off 17 fps Lights On 12 FPS

 

F-15C same mission same setup 32 FPS

 

Definitely SU-27 related..

[Dudester22]

And yet at the same time, i run a watercooled 5GHz i7 2600k with 16gb of 2133MHz memory and a 7970, and my framerates can run from anywhere from 20-100. btw, the vast majority of people would not consider 30fps even remotely playable.

 

If anything one of the reasons why this runs so bad is because of the old and outdated tech that goes into it, and dont give me one of those "its a simulation, its much heavier to run etc etc". That is simply not true. I have literally never come across any game engine that works slower than this one does. If it wasnt for the great flightmodels and fidelity offered by ED i seriously doubt that i would ever have bothered, becuase the engine that its all based on currently is seriously, seriously not good. We can only hope that EDGE fixes most of these problems.

 

Well I'm sure we would all like a constant 60 FPS if we had the choice, but you obviously haven't played FSX, X Plane 10, Cliffs Of Dover, if you haven't seen a bad as engine as this one. The one good thing about this one is that the new engine might just make all these extra features worth while, or would you prefer it if they kept everything as it was until we saw what the other engine did? But take into account that we would have to wait a number of years to see what we see today.

Edited May 7, 2013 by Dudester22