DCS F-15 module

[SkateZilla]

If they are going to market it as "F-15 with AFM (soon to be DCS)", I would expect the FCS to be on par with the A-10s. Meaning it flies as close as possible using the same control laws/physics as the real deal or else it would be pointless. Just my uninformed assumption.

 

 

FCS can be part of the AFM without scripting advanced cockpit systems.

 

SU-25T uses AFM and FC Style Systems.

[Hyphara]

Come on here ..... you want a DCS quality F-15 and SU-27 for a song .

 

These guys need money to pay their people to develop these add ons ..... Ill pay what their looking for 30 , 40 euro no worries ..... if I really want it .

 

+1 These products are an important step to our shared vision of DCS high-fidelity fighters, so count me in.

[159th_Viper]

 

The stand alone DCS SU27 AFM, will cost around 10 dolars?

 

:megalol:

 

Yeah right pull the other one :thumbup: :megalol:

 

It's 2013........We're happy enough to pay $75 for Battlefield 4 but you want to pay $10 for a DCS module? What is this thread, an attempt at trolling? Surely not.

 

$10? :megalol:

[Cake]

Just bought FC3 before the intermediate AFMs were announced. Considering I bought FC3 primarily for these two airplanes, I would not pay for an AFM unless it was a micro transaction, maybe $5 each. I strongly feel it should be free for FC3 owners, unless somehow a modular payment structure is implemented where there is an "upgrade" price that is less than the price for non FC owners. If this is the case, I would expect similar upgrade pricing for the full DCS version having already paid for the AFM.

 

I've already bought the Su-27 for example several times, and this is ok, but it certainly wouldn't feel ok to be charged again for the AFM and then not somehow credited when the full version comes out. Sure, the product will be worth it, but frankly it would feel a little like I've been misled because I just bought FC3 as the only way to get the 27 and 15 in DCS prior to the full versions and definitely would not have had I known a better version of the two ac could be had soon for less.

 

As it stands now, DCS has me spread too thin. I've become a user of all the modules and a master of none. Flying around in the Huey instead of mastering the A10. That said, the Su-27 is probably the more interesting of the two AFMs being discussed to me, so If the AFMs aren't free to FC3 owners, then they could be a buy that one only, or even just work with the Mig21 until the full versions are released.

[Shadowless]

Negative. you will pay for new modules, not an extension or improvement of FC3.

 

You may FC3 holders may have some kind of "discount", it's not safe, but keep in mind that will separate modules.

So,there will be two kinds of F-15C /Su-27 in the DCS?

[Silver_Dragon]

exact, first, those who are already in FC3, and new modules to be hardcore versions for updates, which will go better with time.

[SkateZilla]

both Modules will show up as F-15C as they will use the same internal wsType and reporting name. (hopefully)

[Shadowless]

It will be strange to see a F-15C with SFM and a F-15C with AFM trying to shoot each other down in a server.

[Shadowless]

It will be strange to see a F-15C with SFM and a F-15C with AFM trying to shoot each other down in a server.

I know that,same plane but have different flight model.

[Silver_Dragon]

ED may want to start preparing modules with AFM, to remove the old SFM and someday remove the problem of Ubisoft (licenses / rights) and be totally independent.

[104th_Crunch]

Simple. Regardless of what you have paid for in the past, if more work is put in to something to improve it, then you need to charge for that work and make a profit. You don't work for free or at a loss!

 

I think people are thinking that since they have a version of the F15 and Su27 they should get a deal on a new F15/Su27. I have a 2006 Dodge Charger, and guess what, I can't get a 2012 Charger for free, or at a deal because I have a 2006 :)

 

Buy it if you want it. If you think they are charging too much don't buy it. You just voted with your money, and no need to guess at what they charge.

Edited May 27, 2013 by Crunch

[Shadowless]

All we can do is wait and see. ED is still discussing internally.

 

I suggested to include it for free for FC3 owners cause most of them already paid for the game 4 times.

(FC1, FC2, FC3 and ofcourse you need lock-on)

 

It will also avoid having 2 different flight models ingame that mission editors would have to include.

And then you also need different designation for the AFM and NON AFM F15 and SU27.

 

We will see what ED comes up whit though, cause in the end, its there decision.

(probably a good thing to, however strange that may sound)

I couldn't agree with you any more.

[Darkwolf]

As a FC3 owner, I have quite mixed feelings.

 

I'm pissed off at first, because if i knew about those modules, i would never have purchased FC3 and i'm sure several here wouldn't. And that make me crazy because they didn't told us before FC -exactly for that reason. I fell like a big stick in my ass. FC3 was just here to financially support those addon developpement. in some way, i understand they need the money, in some way, i felt they could have done better (see 2nd chapter)

 

We also want to release these aircraft in such a manner to allow users that are not interested in Flaming Cliffs 3, or do not have a Lock On installation, to still have these aircraft in their DCS World stable of aircraft, but at a greatly reduced price

 

For the reason mentionned above, this is the biggest piece of bullshit i've seen so far. Well. Maybe not, Ubi and 1C have set the bar really high.

Sorry Wags, I really love DCS and what you and ED is doing... but here you shafted a lot of customer.

 

2nd chapter :

 

But after that s*** - I think ED has taken the good way. Lots of my friends fly DCS at a moderate level of realism and those modules will really suit them, as they aren't motivated in buying LO+FC3. That would have been a nice idea to just forgot about FC3 and release FC platforms in the same form.

So even if i fell deeply mad about the way they sold us FC3 - still i am too addicted to even think about not buying those, and eventually get a few extra licence to convince the few last friend that still not fly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

....after reading myself, i really look like those junkies that hate drugs but can't live without it :P Ok time for my daily UH-1 practice. :)

 

 

Wolf,

an unhappy & happy customer. . . .

[SkateZilla]

Ubisoft doesnt own any of the SFM,

 

they own the LockOn name

[SkateZilla]

Both planes would have the same WSType and reporting name. (Assuming this of course)

 

One will simply use the SFM data in the SFM LUA, while the other will load separate AFM DLLs from the entry LUA.

 

They should show up in the Mission Editor as the same plane.

[Lord_Pyro]

You can unbind the FC3 key from your profile and give him to someone else and receive some money for it. That way would lose nothing.

 

But dont forget, there are a lot ppl here who wait for the dcs lvl fighter but just needed something to skip the distance until it will be released. You can't expect everyone to just cas all day long for years. Most of us need our fair share of hunting and flying aggressively. And therefore flying fc3 planes is a whole lot better than flying nothing at all.

[159th_Viper]

It will be a separate module/s I would have thought. If you want it, buy it. If not, don't. Separately installed in it's own folder in the mods directory as is the case with all the other modules we currently have.

[SkateZilla]

FC3 F-15C will reside in /FlamingCliffs/ where as the Standalone F-15C will reside in /F-15C/ Folder.

 

Entry LUAs pointing to f-15c.dll for systems and AFM for the standalone F-15C, and Entry LUA for FC3 point to FC3.DLL

 

But will also use the same SFM data from the SFM LUA for other data, which includes shape name, wstype and attributes etc.

 

You'll simply have 2 F-15Cs in your drop down menu for quick missions, but they'll both will use the same mission editor reporting name "F-15C", so either one can be used in the same F-15C mission Editor slot.

 

I'll have to play with that some more this week/end, after I finish individualizing F-15C from FC3.

 

make a mission with FC3 F-15C installed, then remove /FlamingCliffs/ Folder and put the /F-15C/ folder in and see if the mission will load and allow that F-15C to work in place of the FC3 F-15C.

 

Speculation as to how ED will do it, as they may have a significantly adjusted module name/control scheme system by time those modules are released.

[GriffonBR]

All we can do is wait and see. ED is still discussing internally.

 

I suggested to include it for free for FC3 owners cause most of them already paid for the game 4 times.

(FC1, FC2, FC3 and ofcourse you need lock-on)

 

Extremely fair enough. Only a dupe to pact with this.:doh:

[zaelu]

:shocking: wth was that? :megalol:

[SkateZilla]

Self Quoting.....

[Yellonet]

It's 2013........We're happy enough to pay $75 for Battlefield 4

No.

 

Mark my words, It will be $39.90 for either the F-15C or Su-27S, $59.90 for a dual pack.

[Rikus]

Come on here ..... you want a DCS quality F-15 and SU-27 for a song .

 

These guys need money to pay their people to develop these add ons ..... Ill pay what their looking for 30 , 40 euro no worries ..... if I really want it .

 

But is not a DCS SU27 high fidelity. For that i´ll pay 50 dollars quickly or MIG29

 

Is same FC3 SU27 with AFM as only improve, so, 30-40 euros? mmm, no

[YeaImRota]

~15$ or ~20$ will be ok

 

Without a clickable cockpit, I won't pay more than $10.

[Flia]

yes 10 - 15 USD max