Giving up on the Huey till its patched

[shelt]

When the Huey first came out, landing it was a small miracle for me. Never where I really wanted it to land, was usually just happy to get the skids on the ground! Finally realized that getting through the VRS was the best angle of attack (for me at least) and then try to "walk" it from about 5 feet above ground to where I wanted to park it....vertical landings were not even part of my plan. I had tried that and 9 out of 10 times I turned into a fireball, the other time the chopper came down so hard it was unflyable.

 

After the "so called" change, I did noticed it would survive a harder landing without becoming a fireball, but still leave you with an unflyable chopper.

Then I learned to use the vertical speed indicator, and it has been a total change in my landings. I find I can now plan out where I want to land and do a soft touchdown every time. OK so sometimes I do rush it and end up with an unflyable, but those days are rare.

Even verticals are no problem if you watch the controls and gauges.

 

I really can not say how many landings I have performed since I got the module, but I can say only in the last few weeks has it seemed I have "sort of" mastered the landings.

 

It is all about practice and watching your gauges, especially the vertical speed. Oh, and patience and planning the landing. If you rush a landing, or not have a clear plan on how you are going to land, you will not like the results.

 

As far as the updater is concerned, all I can say is I did a clean install with all the moduals. I was having X52 problems, and since have gone to the Warthog setup, so it was a good time for a clean set up.

Edited July 14, 2013 by shelt

[jay43]

I'll remind you of that statement when you have issues with your purchased product and the entire forum says you are full of crap and ED refuses to fix it...

 

 

Outlaw you need to stop taking things personal.

 

Just because you found a problem with your's doesn't mean everyone has the same problem some do some don't so leave it at that and revel in the glory that you were able to help some folks.

 

And stop with the derogatory language you're just lowering your own tone and it just looks and comes across as unprofessional.

 

Don't sucked into arguments with others let them be.

 

I have read just about all your posts I understand you and hear your pain just recently though your posts have become inflamed and your tone can appear to be condescending towards others and I am beginning to hate you which I don't want to do.

 

I am a Taurian and I do not wish to lock horns with you so please do not take this personal its just my observations take what others say as a pinch of salt and throw it over your shoulder with laughter safe in the knowledge that you have helped others who had the same problems as you.

 

PS. fancy jumping online to do some missions I am getting sick of the AI helicopters not sticking to the flight plan or maintaining a level flight plan instead of up and down yoo yooing they're up and down in the patrols mission more than a whore draws.

[USSR_Rik]

I'll remind you of that statement when you have issues with your purchased product and the entire forum says you are full of crap and ED refuses to fix it...

Were did you read that "ED refuses.."? We performed first tests, these tests was negative, no files difference found. It may mean that there is no issue and it means that we will make another tests. Unfortunately, there are only 25 hours in day and 8 days in week, we can't work over this limit. Cool down.

[ALDEGA]

there are only 25 hours in day and 8 days in week

:D

[Yurgon]

Unfortunately, there are only 25 hours in day and 8 days in week, we can't work over this limit.

 

:thumbup:

[metheluckydonut]

there are only 25 hours in day and 8 days in week

 

I just figured out russia.

[flyer49]

Wow…I'm fatigued just reading this thread

[Julian]

Of course it's unstable, that's how it was back in the day. For background reading on flying the Huey, I recommend "Chickenhawk". As regards the DCS UH1-H, a couple of suggestions. The flight model does not take into account the need to change the throttle/collective settings when doing right or left turns, each type of turn has different characteristics. And there is no modelling of the "Huey tuck". But hey, let's not quibble, this is the best simulator out there since the Ka50. Enjoy!

[flyer49]

The UH-1H was a very stable platform. When you refer to Chickenhawk your talking about the earlier versions like the A/B/C versions which were grossly underpowered. There are many accounts of the earlier versions having to bounce down the runway and throwing cargo out to get the right take-off weight so that they could get the aircraft into the air. The DCS version is the one that I flew in the Army and had plenty of power. For the most part it was quite stable. It was so heavy (max weight 9040 lbs) that it could take a lot of cross wind and remain in a relatively stable at a hover. As for the throttle control...you didn't have to manipulate the throttle in the UH-1 because the RPM's remained constant unlike the TH-55 "Osage" trainers (the aircraft that we learned on in the 80's and was called the Hughes 300 in the civilian world) that required manipulation of the throttle as you increased and decreased the collective to keep the engine from over-speeding. Julian I must agree with you that the DCS model is the best flight model available for those who want to get a feel for the real UH-1H.

Edited July 14, 2013 by flyer49

[outlawal2]

Were did you read that "ED refuses.."? We performed first tests, these tests was negative, no files difference found. It may mean that there is no issue and it means that we will make another tests. Unfortunately, there are only 25 hours in day and 8 days in week, we can't work over this limit. Cool down.

 

OK this will probably be my last post and everyone can either understand where I am coming from or not.. Really does not matter anymore.

 

Some quick counting reveals the following:

 

3 threads with 265 overall posts over several MONTHS regarding this issue.

Vortex Trap: 100 posts of which 17 are mine.

Need advice Landing Thread: 55 overall posts of which 10 are mine.

Giving up on Huey thread: 110 posts of which 24 are mine.

 

Out of 265+ posts there are repeated instances of "you can't fly", and other helpful info, Countless instances of "I don't have that problem", still countless instances of people dropping in without reading the thread at all and stating useless information derailing the thread, etc..

 

As for ED and the fact that ED is looking into this issue... Yes you are now, but over 200 posts before a single word from ED and then it was Coff basically telling me I was full of it and demanding that I provide proof. And when I DO explain it very specifically, he doesn't read it and says I am "nitpicking" VERY NICE. He does finally open his mind enough to finally read what I said and gee then "I am lucky because they are coincidentally looking at the exact version of installer I am talking about. Yeah coincidentally.

 

The only reason why ED is looking into it now is because I kept pushing this and now I am the bad guy and folks are "Hating" me because I am frustrated...

 

Looking at the above info and considering it has taken ED 4 months to even acknowledge what I have said, I think It to be reasonable that I might be frustrated...

 

I promise you that if you went thru this you wouldn't be posting glitter encrusted unicorns and rainbows in all of your posts either.

 

(And do not bother to respond to this post as I am thru debating whether my frustration and lack of patience with many of you is warranted. It is warranted and if you do not agree that is your issue not mine.)

[Vlerkies]

Windy has given up, hallelujah, praise god or whatever idols, thingy's you worship :D

 

His last post was about some low fidelity SU-25 bs

 

May he crash in peace

 

:)

[flyer49]

Now Vlerkies that was not nice...he he

[c0ff]

then it was Coff basically telling me I was full of it and demanding that I provide proof. And when I DO explain it very specifically, he doesn't read it and says I am "nitpicking"

 

Excuse ma, you're the only one here talking about "it".

If you dare to read other's posts carefully, I said:

If you insist on nitpicking, please, notice that _186 is not .186

That is, if you want to force someone to notice small details, be careful with the details yourself.

 

You accused the updater of breaking your UH-1H. We have tested the updater and it works correctly.

That is: the updater works as intended. Period.

 

You can continue to blame ED, UH-1H flight model, or whatever makes you feel better.

But. The updater does work as intended. Period.

 

Faulty hardware, ISP's transparent proxies, antivirus software, malware and a myriad of other things which are beyond our control MAY alter your experience with the ANY software and with UH-1H in particular.

 

But. The updater does work correctly. Period.

[outlawal2]

"But. The updater does work correctly. Period."

 

Yeah right.. Except for the individuals (Like myself) that have documented otherwise...

 

Compelling my friend. Compelling..

[c0ff]

"But. The updater does work correctly. Period."

 

Yeah right.. Except for the individuals (Like myself) that have documented otherwise...

 

Compelling my friend. Compelling..

 

Welcome to the world of PC. Millions of different configurations built from unreliable hardware (which is nicely called consumer-grade) working in unpredictable environments.

[Flagrum]

"But. The updater does work correctly. Period."

 

Yeah right.. Except for the individuals (Like myself) that have documented otherwise...

 

Compelling my friend. Compelling..

 

"Faulty hardware, ISP's transparent proxies, antivirus software, malware and a myriad of other things which are beyond our control MAY alter your experience with the ANY software and with UH-1H in particular."

 

I would laugh if it was your anti-virus that blocked the autoupdater ... or your firewall, or whatever. But I am sure that you have checked all that beforehand.

[hansangb]

c0ff,

" But. The updater does work correctly. Period." may be too strong. After all, as you mentioned, there are a billion possible permutations in the PC world. So for Outlaw2, what he described could have happened for a number of reasons. Registry issues, joystick profile, who knows.

 

But thanks for the sim...it's wonderful!!!

[c0ff]

c0ff,

" But. The updater does work correctly. Period." may be too strong.

Yep. Perhaps, it should read "In our controlled laboratory environment, slightly resembling an average machine of a typical user, the updater performed all the tests correctly. We hope there's a rather big chance for it to work properly for most users. However, for any given user there may be a rare permutation of a hardware, software, Moon phase, ISP admin mood, cosmic rays intensity and user actions which may create a situation not covered by our tests. In this case the updater is provided AS IS with no express or implied warranty for it working it all, leave alone working correctly."

[enigma6584]

Yep. Perhaps, it should read "In our controlled laboratory environment, slightly resembling an average machine of a typical user, the updater performed all the tests correctly. We hope there's a rather big chance for it to work properly for most users. However, for any given user there may be a rare permutation of a hardware, software, Moon phase, ISP admin mood, cosmic rays intensity and user actions which may create a situation not covered by our tests. In this case the updater is provided AS IS with no express or implied warranty for it working it all, leave alone working correctly."

 

LMFAO! :megalol:

[hansangb]

Yep. Perhaps, it should read "In our controlled laboratory environment, slightly resembling an average machine of a typical user, the updater performed all the tests correctly. We hope there's a rather big chance for it to work properly for most users. However, for any given user there may be a rare permutation of a hardware, software, Moon phase, ISP admin mood, cosmic rays intensity and user actions which may create a situation not covered by our tests. In this case the updater is provided AS IS with no express or implied warranty for it working it all, leave alone working correctly."

 

 

What is this, amateur hour? :megalol: You forgot the following: VWPYMMVPDCCAWYH (Void where prohibited, your mileage may vary, professional driver on a closed cource, always wear your helmet)

[CombatTaffy]

I have a MADCATZ Fly 5 joystick and no matter how much i practice , the huey wobbles all over the place when i try hover/manouvers.Ive set a deadzone and still i cannot fly this thing stable

[IonicRipper]

I would advise against using deadzones. You should use curves if absolutely necessary.

[Scupper]

I would advise against using deadzones. You should use curves if absolutely necessary.

 

Care to explain? They seem a pretty good idea to me, with such a twitchy aircraft.

[Rogue Trooper]

The Huey always needs correcting, there is no flyby wire with this 1950s - 1970s utility helicopter. I think It is correct behaviour of a dual Blade early production helicopter (It is very different to modern 4 bladed utility choppers).

 

When travelling above 100knts the Huey constantly drops and rises in height requiring constant adjustment.

If you fly her below 100knts (80 - 90) then she is very stable and requires very little adjust.

 

For helicopters I also prefer no deadzones or curves as the aircraft is so twitchy it needs fastish, small and relaxed counter adjustments.

I found curves slowed the force/speed of my adjustment allowing my correction to be either too little or correct but too late, with curves I fell into yo-yo situations more often.

[311Gryphon]

Care to explain? They seem a pretty good idea to me, with such a twitchy aircraft.

 

I'm not very experienced but I agree that dead zones may not be the best idea. Helicopters don't float perfectly still like we see in some movies because there is a lot going on that has to be adjusted for. More rotor torque requires more pedal which increases or decreases tail rotor torque which is above the CG so the chopper starts to roll which requires a small amount of cyclic adjustment, etc. Every little thing changes something else. If you have dead zones you'll be fighting to get through the dead zone just to make a small adjustment that needs to be made sooner rather than later. The faster you can make it (and the smoother you can make it) the better you'll be.

 

As far as I can tell from the things I read helicopters are supposed to be "twitchy". A know a guy who flew Littlebirds before and during Somalia back in the early 1990's and he says it's like dropping a single drop of water on a hot skillet and trying to keep it in the center by rotating the skillet around (but harder).

 

Having said all of that....I'm not very good at it in this sim.