Second World War Era Aircraft Wish List

[NeilWillis]

I expect that the Viper, like a lot of modern jets is protected by the rights owners - Hi fidelity modelling is fraught with difficulties when you need to obtain the permission of the manufacturers to create the DCS ASM/PFM modules.

 

Stuka - definitely high on my list of Luftwaffe rides, but are there any still flying? Also, it'd be a sitting duck to any and all allied fighters, so it'd really be a difficult one to justify in the DCS World environment. After all, they opted for the K4 to give balance, and any combat involving Stukas would be horrendously unbalanced.

 

I'd much prefer to see the B17 after the current projects are completed. But some day, yep the Stuka ought to be there too, if only as AI.

[King_Hrothgar]

Not sure why you'd want a dcs stuka tbh, you can fly it right now in IL2:BoS. The whole DCS WW2 thing seems terribly redundant to me, I think they should put all their efforts on the 1950's onwards with a special focus on stuff that's still in service.

[bart86pl]

Not sure why you'd want a dcs stuka tbh, you can fly it right now in IL2:BoS.

 

Yea but Il-2 Stuka does not have clickable cockpit, lacks any advanced simulation of stress damage, engine management, startup procedures etc. ;)

[Mike5560]

Il-2 BoS is 59.99 right now on steam. Maybe if the price would drop down Id think about it.

 

Completely off topic but wouldnt it be kinda cool if DCS had an "old war" filter? Like where you could assign a key command to make the screen black and white and with all the film spots and scratches. Would be cool for replays and making movies.

Edited December 8, 2014 by Mike5560

[cichlidfan]

Il-2 BoS is 59.99 right now on steam. Maybe if the price would drop down Id think about it.

 

Completely off topic but wouldnt it be kinda cool if DCS had an "old war" filter? Like where you could assign a key command to make the screen black and white and with all the film spots and scratches. Would be cool for replays and making movies.

 

Relatively easy to do in the video editor of your choice.

[CorsairHundo]

Corsair

 

http://www.classicfighters.org/content/chance-vought-f4u-4-corsair-history

 

Corsair had a small part in the European theater also. By the end of WWII the F4 U-4 was a beast with numbers that many of its competitors couldn't touch. Plus it could carry bombs and rockets that made it a fighter/bomber, oh and it was a carrier fighter. No other plane could do as much and as well.

[King_Hrothgar]

Yea but Il-2 Stuka does not have clickable cockpit, lacks any advanced simulation of stress damage, engine management, startup procedures etc. ;)

 

Not entirely true. It does not have a clickable cockpit and thus has a simplified start up procedure. That said, it's a prop plane. The start up procedure is pretty basic and is more or less the same for every piston engined plane ever made. Incidentally, it's little different from a weed eater ignoring fuel cutoff valves and magnetos. Both of which are one of those things you simply flick a switch on and then never touch again.

 

Once the engine is going, they have near full systems management. The only thing missing is fuel tank selector valves. Those aren't present on all planes and aren't that big of a deal anyways tbh. Don't believe me? When was the last time you decided it would be a good idea to use fuel from just your left wing tank on the P-51D here? My guess is never.

 

As for damage modeling, BoS is greatly superior to DCS. It models all the things DCS does (flat tires, coolant leaks, control damage and so on) but also has 2 really big things DCS doesn't. One is pilot/crew wounding and the other is cascading structural failure (and yes, from overstress in addition to battle damage). Both are kind of a big deal imho.

 

I'll admit BoS did shoot itself in the foot a bit with a trash campaign and the absurd unlock deal, but the flight and damage modeling are generally superior to DCS. I'd also like to point out that simply tossing a few WW2 fighters into a world filled with T-90's and Patriot missiles does not make a WW2 sim. The planes have to have the right context to operate in. You can get that in BoS, it is currently impossible within DCS.

[Darkwolf]

The mods are going to come if we keep talking about BOS. :P

 

DCS has still a long way to go, but at least it started. :P

[ZaltysZ]

When was the last time you decided it would be a good idea to use fuel from just your left wing tank on the P-51D here? My guess is never.

 

P51D has multiple fuel tanks, but at any given time it uses only one (the selected one). In simple case (a.k.a. lazy pilot) fuel will be taken just from left tank once all other tanks has been emptied and pilot has been forced to switch to left tank. In more normal case (a.k.a. competent pilot) rear tank would be emptied first and then pilot would repeatedly switch between left and right tanks avoiding unbalancing aircraft by too much.

[skouras]

Not entirely true. It does not have a clickable cockpit and thus has a simplified start up procedure. That said, it's a prop plane. The start up procedure is pretty basic and is more or less the same for every piston engined plane ever made. Incidentally, it's little different from a weed eater ignoring fuel cutoff valves and magnetos. Both of which are one of those things you simply flick a switch on and then never touch again.

 

Once the engine is going, they have near full systems management. The only thing missing is fuel tank selector valves. Those aren't present on all planes and aren't that big of a deal anyways tbh. Don't believe me? When was the last time you decided it would be a good idea to use fuel from just your left wing tank on the P-51D here? My guess is never.

 

As for damage modeling, BoS is greatly superior to DCS. It models all the things DCS does (flat tires, coolant leaks, control damage and so on) but also has 2 really big things DCS doesn't. One is pilot/crew wounding and the other is cascading structural failure (and yes, from overstress in addition to battle damage). Both are kind of a big deal imho.

 

I'll admit BoS did shoot itself in the foot a bit with a trash campaign and the absurd unlock deal, but the flight and damage modeling are generally superior to DCS. I'd also like to point out that simply tossing a few WW2 fighters into a world filled with T-90's and Patriot missiles does not make a WW2 sim. The planes have to have the right context to operate in. You can get that in BoS, it is currently impossible within DCS.

ilbos is a great sim

however if you ask me which is better i would take DCS

[King_Hrothgar]

Both have their strong points and DCS can be expanded to include WW2 reasonably well, I just don't see a point in tons of cross over. IL2 will stick with the Russian front early/mid war for the next year or two in all likely hood. I think DCS WW2 was probably a mistake overall, but since it's already started, I think it should stick with the current narrow focus of the last year on the western front. The Stuka wasn't a significant part of that. I'd snatch up an Fw-190A9 or Tempest Mk.V in a heartbeat though.

[Anatoli-Kagari9]

Both are Superb sims, and add CloD and Rise of Flight to the group :-)

 

What do they have in common? Very good flight dynamics modeling, systems modeling, damage modeling, scenery and weather effects... all of these with super smooth performance, and, they're all created by some of the Very Best programmers - Eastern Europe programmers !!!

 

Why? Well, they have sound mathematics and physics base from their highschool, something that really lacks in Western Europe and the Americas - I don't really know about Asia.... This certainly helps, plus the fact that they're used to work with thin resources ( budget and technical )...

Edited December 8, 2014 by jcomm

[mrmertz]

Poor B-24...nobody seems to want to see one, my favorite. If they could do the b-17 who constantly takes all the glory a perhaps B-24D or other variant would be feasible too.

[heinzknocke]

What about some British Bombers for a change LANCASTER, HALIFAX, STIRLING. Now that would be different.

 

Heinz

 

Or WESTLAND WHIRLWIND, MOZZIE

 

Here's hoping

 

:thumbup:

[NineLine]

What about some British Bombers for a change LANCASTER, HALIFAX, STIRLING. Now that would be different.

 

Heinz

 

Or WESTLAND WHIRLWIND, MOZZIE

 

Here's hoping

 

:thumbup:

 

VEAO has plans for a Lancaster.

[heinzknocke]

That's great news thanks for that

 

:pilotfly:

 

Heinz

[Kozedub]

Ki-84,, no to your american planes

Edited December 18, 2014 by NineLine
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[speckfire]

Every WWII plane produced for DCSW will find a home in my hangar :)

[Nooch]

VEAO has plans for a Lancaster.

 

Yep they will be making one! They said in the 476th podcast that it should be coming after the DC3 Dakota.

[Bounder]

What about some British Bombers for a change LANCASTER, HALIFAX, STIRLING. Now that would be different.

 

Heinz

 

Or WESTLAND WHIRLWIND, MOZZIE

 

Here's hoping

 

:thumbup:

 

VEAO has plans for a Lancaster.

 

VEAO also have Mozzies on their list, worth checking it out: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=127100

[CorsairHundo]

Ki-84,, no to your american planes

 

Not very nice. in every era we can go head to head and I'll take the American planes each time and I'll eat your lunch

[Pman]

Thought I'd chime in here:

 

No current plans for any variant of the tempest sorry!

 

Lancaster is in early stages of planning but as per my podcast it will be after the Dak due to AFM concerns.

 

Currently 4 variants of Spitfire in the works

 

2 variants of mosquito planned, more news on them in 2015

 

Once the P-40F and Bearcat are out and in the public domain we shall start giving out more piccies and SS on what some of the other artists have been doing with meshes etc :)

 

Pman

[Scooternutz]

I know some are against this but I would love a DCS quality IL-2. It has not been done in the DCS manner. It could not possibly be like the IL-2 that is out there now. Although the Oleg one is great, a DCS IL-2 would be amazing.

[Scooternutz]

With my last post I can't begin to fathom how surreal the WWII theater and aircraft will be all in one.

[mrmertz]

P-47D in PFM form - same for a P-38 Lightning! Preferable in J but I'll take whatever.