muamshai Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 I am not sure if this question was asked before. If it did then apologize in advance. Is it possible of data sharing/targetting laser information between Ka-50 and A-10. Say, Ka-50 lases the target and A-10C fires the maverick. Although, this might be impossible due to difference between US and Russian system but I thought to ask anyways for clarification. If this scenario is not possible then what kind of information can be shared between the two. Cheers! This space is available for your advertisement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 The LASER systems of the Ka-50 and A-10C are not compatible. The only way to share information between the two is via voice comms, passing across 9-lines etc. Spoiler Intel 13900K (5Ghz), 64Gb 6400Mhz, MSi RTX 3090, Schiit Modi/Magi DAC/AMP, ASUS PG43UQ, Hotas Warthog, RealSimulator FSSB3, 2x TM MFDs + DCS MFDs, MFG Crosswinds, Elgato Steamdeck XL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFunk1606688187 Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 The only way to share information between the two is via voice comms, passing across 9-lines etc. The old fashioned way? Madness! Warning: Nothing I say is automatically correct, even if I think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IonicRipper Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Are those laser guided Mavs beam riders? i5 4590 @ 3.77GHz | GTX 1060 6GB | 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 | 1TB HDD+500GB HDD | Win10 Home X64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 I have always wondered, when an A-10C or F-16 "lases" a tank for example, could someone standing right by the tank see the actual laser? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nvidia GTX Titan Pascal - i7 6700K - 960 Pro 512GB NVMe SSD - 32GB DDR4 Corsair - Corsair PSU - Saitek x52 Pro - Custom FreeTrack IR Setup - iControl for DCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kk0425 Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 I have always wondered, when an A-10C or F-16 "lases" a tank for example, could someone standing right by the tank see the actual laser? I don't believe the lasers used are in the visible spectrum, unlike the ones you buy at the store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simtex Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Are those laser guided Mavs beam riders? Unlikely. Their seeker is at the nose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 (edited) I have always wondered, when an A-10C or F-16 "lases" a tank for example, could someone standing right by the tank see the actual laser? Speaking from own experience: Nope. Edited July 31, 2013 by Cookie - Two miles of road lead nowhere, two miles of runway lead everywhere - Click here for system specs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralfidude Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Info red, not in the human visible spectrum. That's why if you fire the laser at night you can't see it in the A-10C unless you turn the BTH or something option on the TGP, you will see it with night vision. [sIGPIC]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/ralfidude/redofullalmost_zpsa942f3fe.gif[/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejjvid Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 If you switch your TGP to both you still don't see the laser, you see the IR pointer with NVG's ;) And at night, that is the best way for a OA-10 to designate targets for Ka-50's. i7 8700K | GTX 1080 Ti | 32GB RAM | 500GB M.2 SSD | TIR5 w/ Trackclip Pro | TM Hotas Warthog | Saitek Pro Flight Rudder [sigpic]http://www.132virtualwing.org[/sigpic] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOnTheOP Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Far infrared laser. No, you cannot see it. However, if it hits you, you COULD feel it. It puts out a LOT of energy, and you would feel it as heat. It is also quite capable of blinding someone. That said, I'm not sure the suggestion of a KA50 pilot using a SOFLAM designator from inside the cockpit would work, either: the cockpit glass may well not be far-IR transparent, either naturally, or because laser-resistant coatings were added to prevent the pilot being blinded by, say, AH64 designators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersheep Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 At night, NVGs allow you to see the beams. You could try to use that to share targets, but I'm not positive that that's good practice. Edit: I once tested this with KA-50 and A-10C, but cannot recall if it worked both ways. And I don't remember in which version (1.2.0?) I did the testing. Super- The PVC Pipe Joystick Stand How to thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugePanic Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Also the shkval has to be able to see the laser. Otherwise the accuracy is very limited if you mark the target with HMS only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersheep Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 As explained above, Shkval is not an option. That's why I'm not sure this method would be used at all. The PVC Pipe Joystick Stand How to thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Why does the Shkval laser need a while to cool down and can only be used for something like 15 seconds if I recall, but the A-10C laser doesn't seem to have this restriction? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nvidia GTX Titan Pascal - i7 6700K - 960 Pro 512GB NVMe SSD - 32GB DDR4 Corsair - Corsair PSU - Saitek x52 Pro - Custom FreeTrack IR Setup - iControl for DCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irregular programming Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Why does the Shkval laser need a while to cool down and can only be used for something like 15 seconds if I recall, but the A-10C laser doesn't seem to have this restriction? Different hardware, different cooling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St3v3f Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Why does the Shkval laser need a while to cool down and can only be used for something like 15 seconds if I recall, but the A-10C laser doesn't seem to have this restriction? TGP laser burns out as well after some time And from my experience, damage from not letting the Shkval cool down is not modeled. aka: Baron [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irregular programming Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 TGP laser burns out as well after some time And from my experience, damage from not letting the Shkval cool down is not modeled. Yes it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St3v3f Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Yes it is. Limitations are according to the manual: 5 series of 16 cycles with 10 seconds firing time, 5 seconds between cycles, 30 minutes between series 5*16*10s ~ 13.3m 10-15 minutes of continous use ist what you can do with the laser in the sim before it burns out So how exactly do you suppose is it modeled, that you need to cool the laser? aka: Baron [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harzach Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 At night, NVGs allow you to see the beams. Only the IR pointer, not the ranging/designating laser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irregular programming Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Only the IR pointer, not the ranging/designating laser. I believe you can see the spot on the ground that you hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 That's correct, but that isn't the laser, it is the IR pointer. DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jona33 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 That's correct, but that isn't the laser, it is the IR pointer. I believe it used to be that you could just make out the normal laser through NVG's but O think that was more of a bug than anything else. Always remember. I don't have a clue what I'm doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I agree, you shouldn't be able to see that laser with NVGs. I think they operate at around 1000 nanometers of wavelength. ...now that I think about it... it might work to see that wavelengths with a NVG.... But on the other hand: Those lasers are pulsed, so even if you have the right wavelength you might not see it because of that. DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishbreath Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 So how exactly do you suppose is it modeled, that you need to cool the laser? Fire a few full racks of Vikhrs and target for the gun for a while, and you'll eventually burn the laser out, or you could try (like I did) binding your voice comms push-to-talk button to the same button as the Skhval/laser designate. :P Landing and repairing fixes it. FWIW, though, I've never burned the laser out on a normal mission, or even a mission on which I went back to base to reload two or three times. It's modeled, but it's not normally an issue. Black Shark, Harrier, and Hornet pilot Many Words - Serial Fiction | Ka-50 Employment Guide | Ka-50 Avionics Cheat Sheet | Multiplayer Shooting Range Mission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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