Magic Zach Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 A lot of people are saying the P-47 would be a great Boom and Zoom aircraft, but apparently the Mustang is a better climber than the P-47D. From http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org, the P-51's climb rate from sea level was 3,600ft, while the P-47 (couldn't find the D variant) was roughly 3,000ft from sea level. Is it going to gain speed a lot better than the Mustang in a dive, or what? To be honest, I don't see what's going to make the Thunderbolt such a great boom and zoom aircraft, compared to the Messerschmitt, or focke-wulf. What can the Thunderbolt do that the Messerschmitt, focke-wulf, Mustang, or Spitfire can't? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using Tapatalk Hardware: T-50 Mongoose, VKB STECS, Saitek 3 Throttle Quadrant, Homemade 32-function Leo Bodnar Button Box, MFG Crosswind Pedals Oculus Rift S System Specs: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS, RTX 3090, Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 32GB DDR4-3200, Samsung 860 EVO, Samsung 970 EVO 250GB Modules: AH-64D, Ka-50, Mi-8MTV2, F-16C, F-15E, F/A-18C, F-14B, F-5E, P-51D, Spitfire Mk LF Mk. IXc, Bf-109K-4, Fw-190A-8 Maps: Normandy, Nevada, Persian Gulf, Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) A lot of people are saying the P-47 would be a great Boom and Zoom aircraft, but apparently the Mustang is a better climber than the P-47D. From http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org, the P-51's climb rate from sea level was 3,600ft, while the P-47 (couldn't find the D variant) was roughly 3,000ft from sea level. Is it going to gain speed a lot better than the Mustang in a dive, or what? To be honest, I don't see what's going to make the Thunderbolt such a great boom and zoom aircraft, compared to the Messerschmitt, or focke-wulf. What can the Thunderbolt do that the Messerschmitt, focke-wulf, Mustang, or Spitfire can't? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using Tapatalk same im more of a mustang fan myself myself because its overall a more rounded aircraft, whilst still being suited to "boom and zoom" as you say. Plus it turns better too, the P47 will be more bricky than the 51. The P47 will be a better Fighter/bomber( more ordinance carry capacity) and have X2 extra guns basically. Also the P47 has a better high altitude performance because of a larger turbo charger. ( service ceiling up to 40,000 feet) BUt given fights dont happen too often at 30,000 feet or higher. Unless you setup escort mission where axis mission goal have to scramble and shoot down bombers at 20,000 feet or higher. and not merely engage fighters in a2a combat. Edited July 16, 2017 by Kev2go Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Zach Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Hmm...the Jug will be an intimidating aircraft while on the ground side-by-side with the other props, though. And as for missions where axis fighters have to climb, try the Storm of War server on 2.1. July 23rd is when it's open, I think. They have a forum and website of their own if you want to check. Great missions. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using Tapatalk Hardware: T-50 Mongoose, VKB STECS, Saitek 3 Throttle Quadrant, Homemade 32-function Leo Bodnar Button Box, MFG Crosswind Pedals Oculus Rift S System Specs: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS, RTX 3090, Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 32GB DDR4-3200, Samsung 860 EVO, Samsung 970 EVO 250GB Modules: AH-64D, Ka-50, Mi-8MTV2, F-16C, F-15E, F/A-18C, F-14B, F-5E, P-51D, Spitfire Mk LF Mk. IXc, Bf-109K-4, Fw-190A-8 Maps: Normandy, Nevada, Persian Gulf, Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art-J Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 A lot of people are saying the P-47 would be a great Boom and Zoom aircraft, but apparently the Mustang is a better climber than the P-47D. From http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org, the P-51's climb rate from sea level was 3,600ft, while the P-47 (couldn't find the D variant) was roughly 3,000ft from sea level. Is it going to gain speed a lot better than the Mustang in a dive, or what? To be honest, I don't see what's going to make the Thunderbolt such a great boom and zoom aircraft, compared to the Messerschmitt, or focke-wulf. What can the Thunderbolt do that the Messerschmitt, focke-wulf, Mustang, or Spitfire can't? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using Tapatalk You're quoting sustained climb rate, though, which is irrelevant in this context (and all versions were between "poor" and "barely acceptable" in this regard indeed). What is relevant - P-47 is usually quoted to be the fastest diver of them all in both acceleration and speed by quite a margin, which then converted into an excellent zoom climb capability. Mustang will fall behind, while Spit might as well be considered a paraglider ;). I don't think it will make a big difference against late-war German hot-rods we have in the game at the moment, but it will be interesting to see how people employ this plane in combat. i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitormouraa Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) Also the P-47 has water injection. Is it MW-50? Or just water sprayed into the compressor impeller to increase the air density? MW-50 would make more sense since the methanol gives anti freezing capabilities plus the extra combustion. Iirc it has 11 minutes of pure power! EDIT: I forgot the anti pre-ignition effect. My country used Thunderbolts I during the WWII, so Im looking forward to having BR skins! Edited July 16, 2017 by Vitormouraa SplashOneGaming Discord https://splashonegaming.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Zach Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 P-47 is usually quoted to be the fastest diver of them all in both acceleration and speed by quite a margin, which then converted into an excellent zoom climb capability. What about compressibility? The DCS Mustang can reach speeds up to 470MPH before I have to gently pull up to prevent overspeeding. I've found the Pony to hit 530MPH before the control surfaces (gracefully) fall away. How will the P-47 compare to the 51 as far as compressibility? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using Tapatalk Hardware: T-50 Mongoose, VKB STECS, Saitek 3 Throttle Quadrant, Homemade 32-function Leo Bodnar Button Box, MFG Crosswind Pedals Oculus Rift S System Specs: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS, RTX 3090, Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 32GB DDR4-3200, Samsung 860 EVO, Samsung 970 EVO 250GB Modules: AH-64D, Ka-50, Mi-8MTV2, F-16C, F-15E, F/A-18C, F-14B, F-5E, P-51D, Spitfire Mk LF Mk. IXc, Bf-109K-4, Fw-190A-8 Maps: Normandy, Nevada, Persian Gulf, Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zunzun Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 What about compressibility? The DCS Mustang can reach speeds up to 470MPH before I have to gently pull up to prevent overspeeding. I've found the Pony to hit 530MPH before the control surfaces (gracefully) fall away. How will the P-47 compare to the 51 as far as compressibility? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using Tapatalk The P-47 should had lower mach number (at least until the -N). The VNE was around 500 mph IAS but lower at the height increase. The main atributes of the jug in the dive was the phenomenal acceleration and very good control up to the critical mach number. But one had to be careful with speed and angle of dive as diving too steeply could lead into a irrecuparable situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horseback Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 What about compressibility? The DCS Mustang can reach speeds up to 470MPH before I have to gently pull up to prevent overspeeding. I've found the Pony to hit 530MPH before the control surfaces (gracefully) fall away. How will the P-47 compare to the 51 as far as compressibility? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using Tapatalk Contemporary accounts say that after entering a dive, the Jug reached maximum speed sooner, and that the Mustang in practice would never quite catch up. Of course, in combat, you might be willing to push it to the limits and beyond. However, both were considered significantly better than the (combustion engine powered) opposition and other Allied fighter types in this regard (possibly excepting the Tempest). cheers horseback [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]"Here's your new Mustangs boys--you can learn to fly 'em on the way to the target!" LTCOL Don Blakeslee, late February 1944 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSR_T-800 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Dive recovery flaps were standard on the D-30. Hopefully this will allow Thunderbolt pilots to escape compressibility at will. The Thunderbolt is said to be the greater diver but there is no evidence for this claim from WW2. However the Mustang X and P-47C were tested equal in a dive after picking up enough speed where the aircrafts power to weight ratios became irrelevant. The second comparison was done in the 1970s, IIRC. The article stated that the P-47 out dived the P-51 while starting and a slower speed of 10knots. I'd guess the P-47 would be equal to or greater than the P-51 in a dive. http://i.imgur.com/LYvIQFB.gifv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Zach Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Contemporary accounts say that after entering a dive, the Jug reached maximum speed sooner, and that the Mustang in practice would never quite catch up. Of course, in combat, you might be willing to push it to the limits and beyond. However, both were considered significantly better than the (combustion engine powered) opposition and other Allied fighter types in this regard (possibly excepting the Tempest). cheers horsebackSeriously, how do you know all this stuff? You know so much! Anyways, thanks you guys! Those are all the questions I have for now. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using Tapatalk Hardware: T-50 Mongoose, VKB STECS, Saitek 3 Throttle Quadrant, Homemade 32-function Leo Bodnar Button Box, MFG Crosswind Pedals Oculus Rift S System Specs: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS, RTX 3090, Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 32GB DDR4-3200, Samsung 860 EVO, Samsung 970 EVO 250GB Modules: AH-64D, Ka-50, Mi-8MTV2, F-16C, F-15E, F/A-18C, F-14B, F-5E, P-51D, Spitfire Mk LF Mk. IXc, Bf-109K-4, Fw-190A-8 Maps: Normandy, Nevada, Persian Gulf, Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxrex Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Was just watching a WW2 training video available from numerous sources showing High altitude flight and aerobatics in the P47. I found the part where they discuss the speed limitations for various altitudes interesting. I got the impression that the speeds were more for someone new to the plane. That the plane could exceed those speeds , but with care. Could just be me. In any case. Converting IAS to mach you come up with .74 at ISA. I know CAS or EAS would be better, but I thought .74 limit for new to the plane pilots pretty impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSR_T-800 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Was just watching a WW2 training video available from numerous sources showing High altitude flight and aerobatics in the P47. I found the part where they discuss the speed limitations for various altitudes interesting. I got the impression that the speeds were more for someone new to the plane. That the plane could exceed those speeds , but with care. Could just be me. In any case. Converting IAS to mach you come up with .74 at ISA. I know CAS or EAS would be better, but I thought .74 limit for new to the plane pilots pretty impressive. P-47s were known for hot rodding. http://i.imgur.com/LYvIQFB.gifv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basco1 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Do we know when the P-47 will be released ?......is it on for 2017,or further ahead up the road ? Chillblast Fusion Cirrus 2 FS Pc/Intel Core i7-7700K Kaby Lake CPU/Gigabyte Nvidia GTX 1070 G1 8GB/Seagate 2TB FireCuda SSHD/16GB DDR4 2133MHz Memory/Asus STRIX Z270F Gaming Motherboard/Corsair Hydro Series H80i GT Liquid Cooler/TM Warthog with MFG 10cm Extension/WINWING Orion Rudder Pedals (With Damper Edition)/TrackiR5/Windows 11 Home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted July 26, 2017 ED Team Share Posted July 26, 2017 Do we know when the P-47 will be released ?......is it on for 2017,or further ahead up the road ? No timeline yet. Sooner the better of course, especially with Normandy and German equipment to kick around :) Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basco1 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 No timeline yet. Sooner the better of course, especially with Normandy and German equipment to kick around :) Thanks for the reply Sithspawn,much appreciated dear chap......I have a feeling the P-47D will be quite a popular module. 1 Chillblast Fusion Cirrus 2 FS Pc/Intel Core i7-7700K Kaby Lake CPU/Gigabyte Nvidia GTX 1070 G1 8GB/Seagate 2TB FireCuda SSHD/16GB DDR4 2133MHz Memory/Asus STRIX Z270F Gaming Motherboard/Corsair Hydro Series H80i GT Liquid Cooler/TM Warthog with MFG 10cm Extension/WINWING Orion Rudder Pedals (With Damper Edition)/TrackiR5/Windows 11 Home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitormouraa Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 That's for sure! SplashOneGaming Discord https://splashonegaming.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AG-51_Razor Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Almost as popular as the Hornet!! AG-51 can't wait for the JUG to come out!! :thumbup: 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadHunter52 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 I'll be flying that thing a LOT Dogs of War Squadron Call sign "HeadHunter" P-51D /Spitfire Jockey Gigabyte EP45T-UD3LR /Q9650 3.6Ghz | 16GB DDR3 1600 RipJaws | EVGA GTX-1060 ACX3 FTW | ThrustMaster 16000m & G13 GamePad w/analog rudder stick | TurtleBeach EarForce PX22 | Track IR5 | Vizio 40" 4K TV monitor (stuck temporarily with an Acer 22" :( ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reflected Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 I'm looking forward too, but I just try not to think about it. I believe it won't be out before 2019 Facebook Instagram YouTube Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSR_T-800 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 I'm looking forward too, but I just try not to think about it. I believe it won't be out before 2019 I'm hoping you meant 2018 and not 2019. I've been waiting for this plane since the Bf-109K4 came out. If you count since the kickstarter its been 3 years. :cry: http://i.imgur.com/LYvIQFB.gifv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadHunter52 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Heck, from the sound of things, I was hoping for THIS year. Dogs of War Squadron Call sign "HeadHunter" P-51D /Spitfire Jockey Gigabyte EP45T-UD3LR /Q9650 3.6Ghz | 16GB DDR3 1600 RipJaws | EVGA GTX-1060 ACX3 FTW | ThrustMaster 16000m & G13 GamePad w/analog rudder stick | TurtleBeach EarForce PX22 | Track IR5 | Vizio 40" 4K TV monitor (stuck temporarily with an Acer 22" :( ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrett_g Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 I'll just be happy to see some WIP screenshots... even if it's just 3D models that aren't even in the game environment yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigg Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Yeah absolutely, just something to see that it lives and breathes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basco1 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Agreed,it would be nice to see something from the devs table. Chillblast Fusion Cirrus 2 FS Pc/Intel Core i7-7700K Kaby Lake CPU/Gigabyte Nvidia GTX 1070 G1 8GB/Seagate 2TB FireCuda SSHD/16GB DDR4 2133MHz Memory/Asus STRIX Z270F Gaming Motherboard/Corsair Hydro Series H80i GT Liquid Cooler/TM Warthog with MFG 10cm Extension/WINWING Orion Rudder Pedals (With Damper Edition)/TrackiR5/Windows 11 Home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted July 28, 2017 ED Team Share Posted July 28, 2017 Agreed,it would be nice to see something from the devs table. I am sure as the Spitfire gets wrapped up we will start seeing stuff on the P-47. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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