A-10 Being Retired

[Hansolo]

paulrkiii, a noob question to the FY15ForceStructureStateSlide.pdf. The 24 A-10 referred to as oversea where are they? I thought that the A-10's had already left Germany and Korea to return home to the U.S.

 

Cheers

Hans

[Scrim]

Afghanistan perhaps?

[Hansolo]

Dooh :doh: of cause. I am an idiot. Sorry

 

Cheers

Hans

[Snoopy]

paulrkiii, a noob question to the FY15ForceStructureStateSlide.pdf. The 24 A-10 referred to as oversea where are they? I thought that the A-10's had already left Germany and Korea to return home to the U.S.

 

Cheers

Hans

 

Osan South Korea. No A-10s are stationed in Afghanistan we rotate in and out.

[Hansolo]

Solid copy. Thanks for explaining :thumbup:

 

cheers

Hans

[javelina1]

http://news.yahoo.com/air-force-leaders-defend-move-retire-popular-warthog-214614769--sector.html

[javelina1]

interesting:

 

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/23/weekender-us-air-force-has-a-plan-to-save-the-a-10.aspx

[Cali]

Did anyone see this?

 

WASHINGTON — The House Armed Services Committee (HASC) early Thursday unanimously approved a measure that would authorize just over $600 billion in 2015 US defense spending and block plans to retire the A-10 attack plane.

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140508/DEFREG02/305080017/HASC-OKs-600B-2015-DoD-Spending-Nixes-10-Retirement-Plans

[nwbasson]

Did anyone see this?

 

 

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140508/DEFREG02/305080017/HASC-OKs-600B-2015-DoD-Spending-Nixes-10-Retirement-Plans

 

Good for the A10?

[NineLine]

And the roller coaster continues on :)

[Snoopy]

Good for the A10?

 

If passed by Congress and signed by the President yes. But all it does is basically postpone one year as I'm sure DoD will press to retire them in the 2016 budget.

 

Also, the below quote from the article is BS, the 75th just returned from Afghanistan and the 442nd is there now.

 

"Notably, minutes before the voice vote, McKeon informed his members that the A-10 is no longer performing CAS missions in Afghanistan."

 

The Air Force is playing with numbers to make it look like the A-10 isn't flying CAS missions, they are just naming the missions we fly as something different.

[Mtnbiker1998]

OLD:

200 Fighters

200 Strikers

200 Bombers

Result: 600 planes, with 200 available for each role.

 

NEW:

200 Fighter-Bombers

Result: 200 planes, with 200 available for each role.

But then what happens when one of those 200 planes get shot down? And it happens to be 150 Million Dollars per plane?

 

Result: 199 planes, with 199 available for each role, as opposed to

 

599 planes, with 200 available for almost all roles, and 199 available for the other role.

 

and what happens when more than one is shot down? your more greatly affected by the loss of less planes. Now i realise the f-35 is more advanced and less likely to get shot down, but hey, enemies get lucky, and accidents happen.

[PFunk1606688187]

The Air Force is playing with numbers to make it look like the A-10 isn't flying CAS missions, they are just naming the missions we fly as something different.

 

That is so funny. A Hawg by any other name.

[Faith]

But then what happens when one of those 200 planes get shot down? And it happens to be 150 Million Dollars per plane?

 

Result: 199 planes, with 199 available for each role, as opposed to

 

599 planes, with 200 available for almost all roles, and 199 available for the other role.

 

and what happens when more than one is shot down? your more greatly affected by the loss of less planes. Now i realise the f-35 is more advanced and less likely to get shot down, but hey, enemies get lucky, and accidents happen.

 

So without considering the post date of that original quote, the average MRR of aircraft across the services is roughly 75%. So technically if you have 200 planes, only 150 will be able to successfully complete a mission at any time.

 

Honestly they should just retire the B-2 and save all the A-10's and other fighters being retired. It is a fairly useless aircraft right now (definitely when LRSB comes around) and costs a ridiculous amount of money to operate for its operational capabilities (each aircraft only able to fly once per week as a maintenance requirement). So if there was a full scale war, the B-2 fleet could only fly roughly <10 missions per week (MRR of 45% roughly for 2013).

[Dudikoff]

Honestly they should just retire the B-2 and save all the A-10's and other fighters being retired. It is a fairly useless aircraft right now (definitely when LRSB comes around) and costs a ridiculous amount of money to operate for its operational capabilities (each aircraft only able to fly once per week as a maintenance requirement). So if there was a full scale war, the B-2 fleet could only fly roughly <10 missions per week (MRR of 45% roughly for 2013).

 

Signed: Robert F. Dorr.

Edited May 14, 2014 by Dudikoff

[hitman]

But then what happens when one of those 200 planes get shot down? And it happens to be 150 Million Dollars per plane?

 

Result: 199 planes, with 199 available for each role, as opposed to

 

599 planes, with 200 available for almost all roles, and 199 available for the other role.

 

and what happens when more than one is shot down? your more greatly affected by the loss of less planes. Now i realise the f-35 is more advanced and less likely to get shot down, but hey, enemies get lucky, and accidents happen.

You have to factor in the amount of time it takes to service each and every aircraft. 200 similar aircraft, no matter how long it takes to ready, takes less time to ready than 600 aircraft of different types. Then there is the training, types of ordnance those airframes can hold, parts interchangability...cannibalizing one airframe thats down can help a whole fleet maintain readiness.

[Faith]

Signed: Robert F. Dorr.

 

You are correct! I was too lazy to look up his name. His recent article was very enlightening.

[lobo]

[Maximus_Lazarus]

How can a JET fighter be good at CAS ?

 

Doesn't it go way too fast to be of actual use to nearby ground troops ?

[PFunk1606688187]

How can a JET fighter be good at CAS ?

 

Doesn't it go way too fast to be of actual use to nearby ground troops ?

 

No. They're just too fast to be of use for very long before flying back to the tanker.

[Eddie]

No. They're just too fast to be of use for very long at low altitude before flying back to the tanker.

 

Fixed for ya. ;)

[Basher54321]

Plus they are very brittle and fall out of the sky just from the sound produced by a firing AK-47...................

 

 

:spam_laser:

[PFunk1606688187]

Fixed for ya. ;)

 

Where would I be without you. :lol:

[phant]

US House approves defence spending bill, blocks A-10 retirement: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-house-approves-defence-spending-bill-blocks-a-10-400655/

 

Bye

Phant

[Darkwolf]

Slow aircraft are having hard time in Ukraine. Do you think a-10 would survive in similar 'manpads rich' environment ?