A little F-15C AFM update - 7 December 2013

[upupandaway]

I was a little surprised at first, reading about mid-2014 as a release date, but your explanation sounds quite plausible.

[Raven68]

I was a little surprised at first, reading about mid-2014 as a release date, but your explanation sounds quite plausible.

 

+1 Thanks Azrayen for chiming in. :thumbup:

[Azrayen]

My pleasure :)

 

Please be aware this is just a guess from me, and me only. I have no other informations than those publicly available on those matters :)

 

Another possibility is, as the news posted on BST's website dates back to oct. 25th, and Wag's post is much more recent, that the AFM dev is somehow progressing better/quicker than anticipated.

[Raven68]

My pleasure :)

 

Please be aware this is just a guess from me, and me only. I have no other informations than those publicly available on those matters :)

 

Another possibility is, as the news posted on BST's website dates back to oct. 25th, and Wag's post is much more recent, that the AFM dev is somehow progressing better/quicker than anticipated.

 

I noticed that as well, but I did ask how much could have changed from that date, to a few days ago to clip appx. 6 months off the schedule? And that's if it's anything close to that scenario.:music_whistling: Anyways I cant get upset really. This is some awesomely complex stuff to hash out and I wish I had the gift of developing these models like the ED staff. They are truly blessed to create and accomplish what they have done so far. :thumbup:

[streakeagle]

Hi VaniaB :)

 

First, thank you, because this from your link:

 

... pretty much answers my question from post #112, in confirming that airflow is taken into account when calculating AFMs. Nice one :thumbup:

 

Airflow is taken into account in the original flight model, just simplified to only one point. The major difference between the simple and advanced flight models is that the equations are evaluated for individual components and summed together... despite your interpretation of their wording, they are not modeling airflow over a 3d model, just building linear tables of aerodynamic co-efficients for multiple components. The effect of modeling multiple components rather than just a single point is that perhaps the wing tip stalls on one side in the AFM with resulting loss of lift and yawing/rolling moments, whereas with a single point model, either the entire aircraft stalls, mushing out, or it doesn't stall. The AFM permits much more "character" to be reflected in the flight model. But even as advanced as the AFM is compared to the SFM, it still may not reflect unique characteristics that would be evident in computational fluid dynamics where actual flow of molecules over 3d shapes is modeled. In many aircraft, the airflow from the wings interferes with the airflow over the elevator and rudder controls surfaces especially at high angles of attack. Most game flight models don't have an accurate way of showing the effects of this interference. In fact, most don't bother to model it at all.

Edited December 13, 2013 by streakeagle

[GGTharos]

Airflow can be propagated from component to component in a flight model.

[SkateZilla]

Regarding the Mid-2014 Date, It's Prolly just a date that gives enough headroom.

 

The AFM's are complex, the more it's tested and put through it's paces by SME's the better.

 

 

 

 

Regarding a Full Blown DCS: F-15C,

it's only a Matter of time before either BST or another Does it,

 

Out of the FC3 Airframes:

 

F-15C:

Has a detailed External Model

Has a detailed Flight Model On the Way

Has a detailed 3D 6DoF Cockpit,

which also is the Cockpit that's the most ready for full interaction, Connectors and Animations.

All that is Missing is the Systems, which will prolly take a while to code. but that depends on the data available and personnel to whomever undertakes the system coding.

 

I For one would love to see it happen, the sooner the better. Til then the AFM will be a happy upgrade for me to fly with.

Edited December 13, 2013 by SkateZilla

[Weta43]

Airflow can be propagated from component to component in a flight model.

...and (as GG knows but you may not) aspects of this are currently modelled in DCS.AFMs

[GGTharos]

Why not?

[Pilotasso]

From the Belsimtek website:

 

"The estimated release date for the advanced flight model for F-15C Eagle DCS module is middle of 2014"

 

Here is the link. I hope that information is old. I really do. Otherwise Im a sad panda. :(

 

http://www.belsimtek.com/news/217/

 

Wags said F-15 AFM just missed the 1.2.7 boat which means it cant be much further out.

[Wakkaman]

Is there already a conformation they will make a clickable cockpit? I really hope so!

[GGTharos]

No, and there never was such mention from ED. It's just the AFM.

[NineLine]

No, and there never was such mention from ED. It's just the AFM.

 

 

 

Not quite.... not ED anyways:

 

http://www.belsimtek.com/news/217/

 

We are considering the possibility of creating a complete avionics model with clickable cockpit and accurate systems modeling. This would be a major development however, so a final decision has not yet been made.

Edited January 15, 2014 by NineLine

[Postal2]

Any news ?

[Python]

Have a look around the 4 second mark.... very realistic and impressive!! :thumbup:

 

[Pyroflash]

Huh, one of the comments from DCS said that it was their first DCS TV commercial. I wonder when it is airing.

[cichlidfan]

Huh, one of the comments from DCS said that it was their first DCS TV commercial. I wonder when it is airing.

 

The commercial is supposed to air in March on the Military Channel.

 

In March on The Military Channel.

[SkateZilla]

It'll be the "American Heroes Channel" in March.

[Hellfire257]

That sounds so stupid.

[VincentLaw]

I liked it more back when it was Discovery Wings.

[Python]

I always wondered where discovery wings disappeared too...

[fastfreddie]

I'd love to show my dad a full version of a F-15 module on DCS. He's pretty much worked entirely on the F-15 systems since they went into service in the 70s. Full version F-15, F-16, Apache, or modern Russian planes definitely top my list.