Weaponry?

[Ignition]

7 hours ago, Temetre said:

To be clear I have no clue about that missiles, Ive just read wikipedia. Sounds like there they say weapon is modular and can have different types of seekers? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-130

The AGM-15 page also mentions under guidance:

IR homing I supposed would be what the AGM-65 does? No clue if the F-15E gets both sensors or so tho. 

But I definitely learned that this is a much more hefty bomb than a Maverick, less of a precision tank killer or so. Closer to a SLAM-ER or 2000lb JDAM.

According to Wikipedia the SLAM-ER only has an ~800 LB warhead. I suppose with the Splash Damage script (or ED finally improving fragmentation dynamics) the 15/130 could be pretty devastating. I can see the utility in SEAD, though ofc as everyone playing DCS knows, guided missiles (even if burned out) get shot down with 100% accuracy by SAM, while unguided bombs are literally invisible. (except the AGM-154, but hey, its the US' fault they called it an AGM)

So I supposed the GBU-15 could be a nice SEAD weapon :^)

 

The precision of these bombs is very high, they may be even more precise than a LGB. The problem is they need a person to guide them by TV and its not an easy task.

And yeah in DCS the weapon to weapon engagement its not fully developed. I know very high speed low level flying missiles are VERY hard to destroy but a bomb droping from altitude with anti flammable coating like they use in the navy I'm not so sure.

The thing is a mission in DCS is not like in reality, If you don't have some scripts the SAMs will be on all the time. Many times the SAMs radars were off in real life, the chance for an AGM-88 to impact were VERY low and they didn't hit many times, I don't remember the numbers but its like 1 hit for more than 15 HARM. The good thing about that is you forced to turn off the radar and let the strike group do their job.

 

[Temetre]

vor 9 Stunden schrieb Ignition:

The precision of these bombs is very high, they may be even more precise than a LGB. The problem is they need a person to guide them by TV and its not an easy task.

Absolutely, the delay must be rough to work with. Even the active IR-control of a SLAM-ER is pretty hard to do. That said, a 2000lb warhead doesnt need to be a direct hit I imagine, assuming the correct damage model.^^

And with the aiming thats why Im also curious about wikipedia mentioning that it can also IR-home though, with an alternative sensor-head. Im curious if its like the SLAM-ER, where you use GPS to get it to a position, but then you can chose or make it find its own target.

vor 9 Stunden schrieb Ignition:

And yeah in DCS the weapon to weapon engagement its not fully developed. I know very high speed low level flying missiles are VERY hard to destroy but a bomb droping from altitude with anti flammable coating like they use in the navy I'm not so sure.

The thing is a mission in DCS is not like in reality, If you don't have some scripts the SAMs will be on all the time. Many times the SAMs radars were off in real life, the chance for an AGM-88 to impact were VERY low and they didn't hit many times, I don't remember the numbers but its like 1 hit for more than 15 HARM. The good thing about that is you forced to turn off the radar and let the strike group do their job.

Yeh, in reality theres also a constant evolving tactics. In Desert Storm or Iraq War, SAMs just got erradicated or intimidated into inactivity.

During the Kosovo war, the air defenses never got fully disabled, though they also couldnt stop the bombing campaign. But that also made NATO update their tactics and weapon systems afterwards.

To some degree DCS just cant simulate that kind of dynamic environment and adaptation. It actually makes kinda sense that SAMs in DCS are easy to destroy, because once you figure out an effective way to destroy them, the AI cant change their tactics.

Then again, Ive played a bit of liberation, and theres an IADS script, which is quite impressive, but I found that sometimes its a bit too perfect. Like, at times it seemed to make every single AA system act as if they are perfectly networked and coordinated, like theres never any mistake.

 

That said, I  really hope ED really does a rework on how easy/hard missiles and bombs are to shoot down. I can well imagine that its nearly impossible to shoot down lobbed GPS guided munitions aka our beloved CBU-105s, but as you say the AGM-154s are often flying low and ~450 knots, theyre probably also quite difficult to hit. Or even Mavericks, they are also quick and small, and only got a short boost phase, so Id expect them to be tricker to hit than a bigger HARM, which you can see coming on a ballistic trajectory from 40 miles away.

Tho same with planes/helis really, the CIWS anti-air capabilities of DCS' BMPs are the stuff of legends. Or that one AK guy who 360 noscopes your pilot on 2km distance^^

Edited April 28, 2023 by Temetre

[Ignition]

Some sources say the AGM-130 has a maximum range beyond 40nm. I'm sure at high altitude and speed, it can be used above 30.000ft.

[jubuttib]

On 4/28/2023 at 12:37 PM, Temetre said:

Or that one AK guy who 360 noscopes your pilot on 2km distance^^

I don't even mind that guy so much. What I mind a lot more is the goddamn RPG-7 hero who nails me in the ear from what seems to be beyond the max range of the launcher, while I'm flying perpendicular to him at 100+ knots in a helicopter, not doing a particularly good job of maintaining my altitude either.

Yes, I know RPGs have killed a <profanity>ton of helis in the middle east, but usually slow flying and stationary ones, or ones at specific distances where the self-destruction mechanism causes an airburst. I haven't heard many stories of them hitting a helicopter flying left-to-right at full speed pretty far away, and nailing the cockpit exactly...

[Temetre]

vor 4 Stunden schrieb jubuttib:

I don't even mind that guy so much. What I mind a lot more is the goddamn RPG-7 hero who nails me in the ear from what seems to be beyond the max range of the launcher, while I'm flying perpendicular to him at 100+ knots in a helicopter, not doing a particularly good job of maintaining my altitude either.

Yes, I know RPGs have killed a <profanity>ton of helis in the middle east, but usually slow flying and stationary ones, or ones at specific distances where the self-destruction mechanism causes an airburst. I haven't heard many stories of them hitting a helicopter flying left-to-right at full speed pretty far away, and nailing the cockpit exactly...

Lmao yeah those too. I even got my doubts about the lethality of stinger and strela launchers at this point^^

The bad AI is part of the reasons why im not touching helicopters yet, as much Id love to try them in DCS. Especially on detailed maps like Syria they could be a lot of fun, but not if the AI is just instagibbing you out of the sky.

Sometimes I feel like even with an F-16 Im limited in my ability to do CAS, because the enemies are so accurate.

[jubuttib]

On 5/10/2023 at 10:00 AM, Temetre said:

Lmao yeah those too. I even got my doubts about the lethality of stinger and strela launchers at this point^^

The bad AI is part of the reasons why im not touching helicopters yet, as much Id love to try them in DCS. Especially on detailed maps like Syria they could be a lot of fun, but not if the AI is just instagibbing you out of the sky.

Sometimes I feel like even with an F-16 Im limited in my ability to do CAS, because the enemies are so accurate.

I mean I still have a crapton of fun with helicopters, even with the issues.

[evilnate]

According to wiki, SE deploys HARM and Harpoons? See specifications. At first I thought maybe it’s for non USAF, but for arms that aren’t USAF they are noted.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_F-15E_Strike_Eagle

[Coole28]

1 hour ago, evilnate said:

According to wiki, SE deploys HARM and Harpoons? 

Never trust Wikipedia when it comes to aircraft armament.  It’s about as accurate as the ground unit damage modeling in DCS.

No, operational USAF F-15Es do not and can not employ AGM-88s or -84s.  Only select export F-15s based on the F-15E can (e.g. F-15K)

[Beirut]

It's simple: It's a big plane so it must have big bombs. 

 

All else is moot.

[Rodeo]

11 hours ago, Coole28 said:

Never trust Wikipedia when it comes to aircraft armament.  It’s about as accurate as the ground unit damage modeling in DCS.

… such an accurate statement 

[falcon_120]

 Fortunately we will get CBU-105s which, as far as DCS is concerned, are more effective than the hypothetical AGM-154B since they can’t be intercepted by SAMs. 

I think that is doomed to dissappear at some point down the road

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[Beirut]

Did we lose the laser guided bombs video? I saw it was up before and I was about to watch it and "Poof!" 

[Ignition]

1 hour ago, Beirut said:

Did we lose the laser guided bombs video? I saw it was up before and I was about to watch it and "Poof!" 

 

Youtubers may be using an older version so they may have removed the video to not generate confusions.

[bfr]

5 hours ago, Beirut said:

Did we lose the laser guided bombs video? I saw it was up before and I was about to watch it and "Poof!" 

Yes I think you're right. I watched it in its entirety yesterday but its now strangely absent from my youtube viewing history.

[Beirut]

3 hours ago, bfr said:

Yes I think you're right. I watched it in its entirety yesterday but its now strangely absent from my youtube viewing history.

 

Was that Spudknocker's video? That would be twice he got spanked for that.

[bfr]

9 minutes ago, Beirut said:

 

Was that Spudknocker's video? That would be twice he got spanked for that.

Yes, i'm pretty sure it was. It'd be interesting to know what has changed in the builds since in order to invalidate it. The existing limitations he mentioned didn't seem weird/unreasonable ones and I think I only spotted one glitch/bug as such (I can't check now but I swear one of the MFD labels seemed to have a minor typo in it).  Either that or there is some directive about what functionality the people with early access are supposed to preview when and he's jumped the gun on it?

[Temetre]

vor 23 Stunden schrieb falcon_120:

I think that is doomed to dissappear at some point down the road

 

If that disappears, then hopefully by making it harder in general to shoot down munitions, especially maneuvering glide bombs!

vor 10 Stunden schrieb Beirut:

Was that Spudknocker's video? That would be twice he got spanked for that.

Sounds more like he made a minor mistake this time? Probably was overly cautious after the last time he got grilled for his vid.

Edited June 7, 2023 by Temetre

[TJTAS]

Hold on I'm getting concerned here... Where in the weapons videos and the Razbam loadout are the MERS?. They better not have restricted them out of the loadout or a refund is in order.

 

[evilnate]

1 hour ago, TJTAS said:

Hold on I'm getting concerned here... Where in the weapons videos and the Razbam loadout are the MERS?. They better not have restricted them out of the loadout or a refund is in order.

 

That would be amazeballs 

[doedkoett]

3 hours ago, TJTAS said:

Hold on I'm getting concerned here... Where in the weapons videos and the Razbam loadout are the MERS?. They better not have restricted them out of the loadout or a refund is in order.

 

That's the Strike Eagle demonstrator/prototype. The Razbam module will be representative of the operational F-15E. What they loaded on the prototype and what is authorised on the operational aircraft are two different things, and I am afraid that however cool the load in the pics above is, it is not representative of an operational Strike Eagle.

[TJTAS]

2 hours ago, doedkoett said:

That's the Strike Eagle demonstrator/prototype. The Razbam module will be representative of the operational F-15E. What they loaded on the prototype and what is authorised on the operational aircraft are two different things, and I am afraid that however cool the load in the pics above is, it is not representative of an operational Strike Eagle.

That would be dumb. We have fantasy aircraft like the SU-25T and the KA-50 they can include the MERs that appeared on the real aircraft. What is the damned problem with ED and MERs.

[doedkoett]

In this case it´s Razbam. You can blame Razbam for a lot of things, but not the Su-25T or the Black Shark.
I am sure some modder will discover how to mod the SE to carry the macho configurations depicted above.

At least the the livery package is out, so you can create the wrap around euro I lizard scheme used by the prototype if you wanted to.

[BIGNEWY]

1 hour ago, TJTAS said:

That would be dumb. We have fantasy aircraft like the SU-25T and the KA-50 they can include the MERs that appeared on the real aircraft. What is the damned problem with ED and MERs.

Our aircraft are model and year specific, if you have evidence for a particular loadout for the version of aircraft please make a new thread. Please also bear in mind our 1.16 rule if you are attaching evidence. 

thank you

[hotrod525]

On 6/5/2023 at 1:43 PM, Coole28 said:

Never trust Wikipedia when it comes to aircraft armament.  It’s about as accurate as the ground unit damage modeling in DCS.

No, operational USAF F-15Es do not and can not employ AGM-88s or -84s.  Only select export F-15s based on the F-15E can (e.g. F-15K)

Well, Wikipedia is technicly not "wrong", F15E can carry 84 and 88, just not the one use by USAF. And IIRC, it is stated in the "variants". (And TBH, i'd be surprise that it require anything else than a software update)

IMHO i think Razbam, just like ED and so on, should not restrict themself so much on a "model and year". Purist can have their way trought mission editor, and "role-player" can represent other nations but that up for another debate.

 

[draconus]

17 hours ago, hotrod525 said:

IMHO i think Razbam, just like ED and so on, should not restrict themself so much on a "model and year". Purist can have their way trought mission editor, and "role-player" can represent other nations but that up for another debate.

The RL aircraft has limitations so does the simulated one. It only carries what RL counterpart could use without modifications to the aircraft sw or hw. Other nations' aircraft are modified so they have different capabilities - if you want that head to a mod community.