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Here's some nice praise for the Legacy Hornet from an Eagle Driver, when asked by (the delightful host) Mike about the most challenging fighters (including the Viper, Rafale, Typhoon, etc.) he'd ever DACT'ed against... "Dozen" gives special attention to the Australian Legacy Hornets @ 3:47. For those on these forums that struggle against the Hornet in DCS in WVR, BFM... just know that this seems to be pretty close to reality.

The Hornet is THE BOSS in the gunzo fight. Give her lots of rudder.

Agreed.

Just finished mission 4. This campaign is absolutely fantastic so far! You and your little team have really put on display the maturing excellence of DCS as a platform and the Hornet as a module! What a great campaign, BD! Keep up the great work. Any Hornet content that you're associated with will be a day-one-purchase for me.

SO true! ED, Heatblur, etc. are operating on a whole other level. It's quite astonishing how spoiled we are.

Yes, I've noticed the same. It was introduced (apparently?) in one of the two latest O.B. updates. One of us will probably need to provide a track. It will also happen if the two inner pylons have single 120s vs. the double racks... but it may simply be related to the outer pylons being removed altogether.

You betcha.

Yeah, my request was sarcasm...which doesn't play well online. I'm very aware you cannot find such charts (partly because I've looked many times ). I did do a little past-forum research and I'm convinced "Mover" is our favorite "Mover," Lemoine. So... Mover: I LOVE your channel, Sir! I just watched your "fini-flight" yesterday (Ironically, while I was "arguing" with you on this forum ). I really appreciate your content and do not doubt your expertise one bit, my friend! Gentlemen like yourself, "Jello", "Hasard," "Gonky," Markus at OmegaTau, and our man over the pond at "Aircrew Interview" have made this truly an incredible era to be an arm-chair fan of military Aviation! Thanks for that and your service, sir! Side-note, I once ran into Dan Rooney when I was a college student at a coffee shop here in KC when I was home over Christmas break. I didn't know who he was, but noticed his leather jacket with the Viper on it with the 138th FW patch when he was flying ANG in Tulsa. I chatted him up and he was extremely friendly and willing to talk Vipers/fighter aviation for a few minutes while we waited for coffee. Later on I started noticing his face on brochures, saw him on TV when PGA was in Tulsa, etc. and now on your channel. Folds is so cool and I'm glad you can give it some airtime on your channel. Cheers, brother and thanks for your service!

Nice. Thanks, Broski!

Is that because you don't have them, you don't want to share them or something else? If you haven't ever seen them...then that's something else. But please understand that Major Boswell is, to me (a non-credentialed jet hobby-est) a known entity, a Viper pilot, etc. Regardless of whether or not you "know what he means by...", you are just a forum member with 157 posts from my perspective, so be patient with me if I'm a little slow to just go with what you've said. For all I know, you may be C.W. Lemoine, a Lockheed engineer or fighter pilot yourself. So my apologies if I'm too slow to just say, "I'm wrong, you're right" which may very well be true.

Fair enough. Could you PM me the E-M charts for the F/A-18C Block 20 with the 402 EP's? Thanks.

Hmm, I guess I'm just dense. When Maj. Boswell says, "a high instantaneous turn rate," I guess I just assume he means a high instantaneous turn rate.

Is this THE Mover!? Mr. Lemoine, Sir? If so, I'll shut up right now. If you're an imposter-Mover, take your statement up with Major Boswell and The Fighter Pilot Podcast: https://www.fighterpilotpodcast.com/musing/it-depends/ PS - Are you referring to the "Power" comment or the "Sustained Turn-rate" comment? The Hornet technically has more power than the Viper (35,400lbs of thrust vs. the Viper's 29,500), but there's that 'ol weight/drag thing. If not the power comment, are you suggesting that the Hornet has a higher sustained and instantaneous turn rate than the Viper? I'll let the 100,000 Viper lovers on this forum come after you now.

Those clouds (and the new terrain[s] below them) are pretty impressive indeed!

"Growing and Hungry" applied to the Heatblur team partnering with ED is DEFINITELY good news.

I almost didn't even see that A-6 with the INCREDIBLE looking Marianas map below. Good grief, Nvidia/AMD... get your GPU stock act together!

Sorry, ED Moderators. We've gotten off topic. For my part: In summary, I started this thread out of curiosity after having enjoyed Hasard Lee's video about the top speed of the Viper and trying to reconcile the video with my in-game findings (which don't match up). The thread has been marked "correct-as-is" and I think we have had some good discussion here about the reasons for this. As to where the thread has gone, turn rates and FM stuff have their own well established threads elsewhere... so go there if you want to talk about things other than Hasard's video and the blk 50's top speed. If ED gets the Viper and the Hornet as realistic as possible in the end (which of course they will :-)), the Viper will have more power and a higher sustained turn rate than the Hornet and the Hornet will have a higher instantaneous turn rate and better maneuverability at low speeds and high AoA than the Viper. Full stop.

Agreed on all counts, and good observation. There's a nice little write up that pertains to the Viper vs Hornet 'debate' on the Fighter Pilot Podcast site by Trevor "Boat" Boswell. It's a good little read. Here's a pertinent excerpt, but the whole article is really worth the read:

Nice! Good catch.

Hmm, I could just do that with the F10 map and the ruler, no?

Quick question: Does tacview actually give an accurate indication of when a 120C goes active?

Well said!

I whole-heartedly agree. This is actually one of the reasons I prefer the Hornet to the Viper (I own both modules and love both jets). The Hornet's lack of an AOA limitation like the Viper's FLCS really makes the Hornet feel more organic in its maneuvering. With that said, the Hornet will always feel like it's 'on rails' compared to the Tomcat since the Hornet is full fly by wire. The fly by wire jets are just more stable. This is one reason why I so wish the F-15C would be done eventually (I have ZERO interest in the Strike Eagle and will not purchase it when it comes out in 3013 A.D. ) The Eagle's CAS makes it slightly more sophisticated in the flight control than the Tomcat-B, but more 'lively' than the Hornet or Viper...with the need to not yank and bank too hard. But back on topic: The Hornet FM is really special and it is HANDS DOWN my first choice when it comes to the GUNZO fight... 350kts and slower it is a true champ in air combat.

Just flew the first mission (show of force flyovers) and I like it so far. Looking forward to what's to come. Good work, guys.

Hornet for the win.