I am quite well aware of that. I have been around since the Flanker days, up through Black Shark and the original A-10C Nevada debacle, and on to the current days. And I am well aware of the "it'll be done when its done" philosophy. So what was proposed to be out by the end of 2016? DCS 2.5, the F/A-18, the Normandy map, and a CVN if I recall correctly. I realize ED has a lot of irons in the fire, but when you build a house you don't put the roof on before you build the foundation. Right now we have a lot of people running DCS 2 only, others running 1.5, some running both....and I appreciate they are trying to give us a better product with things like the upgrades to the Nevada map.....but the current state of multiple, incompatible versions is a mess. Imagine you are a newcomer to DCS World....how confusing and frustrating would all this be?