RustBelt

PvP is for jocks.

The big thing with the C was. The airframes and motors were already bought, and it could be used as a bigger, easier to work with proof of concept. By the time of the C, the NAVY knew that they were never getting any real work out of the phoenix. So you either just throw out Millions of dollars or you make some lemonade and learn some stuff with already amortized frames. We know the 14D tested and was going to be ready to carry AIM-120s before they were end of life. But they never got rid of the Phoenix to justify doing that because 14Ds were better at being bombcats given that carriers always operated with joint forces protection anywhere shooting was happening. So the C was just a means of recouping losses in the AIM-54 program through testing for newer FOX-3 development.

Clearly, I can not choose the Emergency Wing Sweep Handle in front of you!

Effective range under what acceptable errors? You're falling into the trap of perfect measurement. Everything is measured with limited resources, and acceptable errors. Only a fool or a marketing stooge would push errors on the optimistic side as opposed to the conservative side.

And the thing about this is, it's all "sports" Nobody actually fighting something that would kill them pulled any of that crap. These were all pilots playing the flying equivalent of Fencing with each other, then bragging with exaggeration later because they basically found a loophole advantage, not a reliable combat technique. Most of the Tomcat community never touched a weapon release in anger in their whole career except for the end of the line bombcat drivers fighting tin pot air forces. (or were part of a tin pot air force in one case who couldn't afford to break things by playing with the planes)

I don't think you fully comprehend quite where you are. I don't think you fully comprehend quite where you are.

Well Halon started life as a refrigerant, so I could see it shock cooling I suppose. Typically once an engine is on fire, you aren’t expecting it to work again anyways.

Yea that sounds like Halon to me. Possibly even it may be the DoD is allowed to discharge it still legally, and the receiving exhibitor is not. Although Halon can be reclaimed and there are still places where it’s the only thing that performs that well. So blowing it is kind of a waste of something that can’t be made anymore. Depends on your definition of “works” it’s not magic. A regular something went wrong fire that all jet engines may have to del with, and a you got hit with a missile engine fire are two different things.

I think they blew the bottles more to discharge the bottles so the museum or gate didn't have a surprise later. May also be some one way operations when pulling the handles that makes the engines fuel system permanently out of service unless repaired. Like spring set quick disconnects or some other stuff. Usually the extinguishing agent is Halon which the only other thing I can think is shock cooling?

Same, word is even when they do end up out there, they’re usually not directly labeled. I’m not even sure if pilots/RIO’s were even allowed to take them. Officially anyways.

You just described every DCS discussion.

Buried on reddit from like 4 years ago. And definitely something in the -1A NAVAIR that we can't get.

Yes. There’s a whole other argument in the main F-14 forum going on about not “helping” the Phoenix by pitching up before launch.

Agree. We’re not in F-14Ds, we don’t have our own switch on the Display panel like they do.

No, you get the signal to unfold wings. The Tomcat got a different signal than the unfold wings motion.

Yea well, don’t hold your breath over there. They refuse to take proper ownership of their ship over there.

The D is distribution C. Although even that….mmmm I certainly believe the -1A is….even declassified you still can’t get one with a FOIA request.

For relaxing times, make it glove vane times.

“Upcoming Months” I’m not new here…..

You mean the one that is never updated?

Which, you know, would presumably be behind the Pilot body, dracken AI, KA-6 AI, bomb racks, plus the eurofighter, f-4, etc, etc…

Without -1A it’s no good for Heatblur. Same issue with the PTID and Sparrowhawk upgrades.

Yes. But I don’t believe through Jester. You have to be in the back seat to exclude targets on the TID.

I figured, because unlike the D, the A and B wern't databuss platforms. You had to physically run individual wires between parts when anything was added.

Look, I’m sure Heatblur wouldn’t mind if you felt like footing the build costs for a Tomcat 2.0 where they could go back and do all this stuff over differently for you. Folks just need to accept that when the project was started, certain decisions in the planning phases mean some things just can’t be changed without a full rework from scratch.