DTWD Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 And when I check the forums this morning it seems like the DCS f15 isn't what we thought it might be yesterday, ie it's not 'really dcs' as we think of it (bs, a10 etc), but instead still part of flaming cliffs. Is this correct? Regards [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
uboats Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 And when I check the forums this morning it seems like the DCS f15 isn't what we thought it might be yesterday, ie it's not 'really dcs' as we think of it (bs, a10 etc), but instead still part of flaming cliffs. Is this correct? yes [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My DCS Mods, Skins, Utilities and Scripts | Windows 10 | i7-4790K | GTX 980Ti Hybrid | 32GB RAM | 3TB SSD | | TM Warthog Stick | CH Pro Throttle + Pro Pedal | TIR5 Pro | TM MFD Cougar | Gun Camera: PrtScn |
leafer Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 For now, yes. It's obvious they're selling their modules in iteration. Get paid for each milestone they've reached instead of once per a project life cycle which, if I remember correctly, takes some four years to complete for something as complex as an F-15C? I guess that is what it takes for them to stay afloat and I'm cool with it. ED have been taking my money since 1995. :P
Flagrum Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 And when I check the forums this morning it seems like the DCS f15 isn't what we thought it might be yesterday, ie it's not 'really dcs' as we think of it (bs, a10 etc), but instead still part of flaming cliffs. Is this correct? No. It still is what it was yesterday: an FC3 aircraft that got a AFM(+). Who really thought that it was already meant to become a full hi-fi DCS module? All there was were a certain probability that this aircraft could evolve further in the (probably not too far) future. Today this seems probably not that much probable, yes, with that I would agree.
skouras Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 DCS-F15C is is part of DCS FC3 with the exception that it has not an AFM but instead an PFM {WIP} Also it comes with an SSM that it means most essential cockpit systems can be used with keyboard and joystick commands [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]W10(64bit)Asus Rog Strix Z370-F - i7 8700K - Dark Rock Pro 4 - 16 giga ram Corsair vengeance 3000 - MSI RTX 2070 Super - Asus Rog Phobeus soundcard - Z906 Surround speaker - Track ir5 - HOTAS Warthog
Plagi_Arism Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Sorry but where is an official statement about this ? May the THRUST be with you
sobek Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 No. It still is what it was yesterday: an FC3 aircraft that got a AFM(+). It's PFM really. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
DD_Fenrir Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Sorry but where is an official statement about this ? http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2039947#post2039947
Plagi_Arism Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Sorry but Wags said "PFM include the A-10C, Ka-50, P-51D, UH-1H, Mi-8MTV2, F-15C and Su-27" May the THRUST be with you
Darkwolf Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 That may be confusing for new player. I already spend a lot of time explaining to my pilots what are the differences but now .... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] PC simulator news site. Also....Join the largest DCS community on Facebook :pilotfly:
Stacker Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 That matrix Wag's posted does basically clarify everything. Shame we only get the SSM for the F15C and not the ASM but it probably was never on the cards anyway (at least for this iteration). At least the PFM raises the bar somewhat and acts as a bridge for us sim'ers that want higher fidelity. i7-4790K@4.7GHz : EVGA 1070 SC : 16GB Corsair Vengence Pro : 2xEVO 840 SSD : EVGA 850W PSU : CORSAIR H100i Cooler : ASUS Z97-AR MB : CORSAIR OBSIDIAN 750D FULL TOWER
chromium Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 F-15 was never officially intended to be developed with full avionics and systems modeled, AFAIK. But somewhere in an old post Wags said that maybe an upgrade that include ASM for the F-15 could be evaluated in the future. IMHO giving the ASM additional module to a third party team, as it has been done with the PFM, could be an interesting solution: I would pay 15-20$ for F-15C as it is and then pay additional 20-25$ for an optional ASM upgrade. This could make happy "FC3" customer and "DCS" customer... but I'm sure it's much more complicated that it seems to be in my mind. Author of DSMC, mod to enable scenario persistency and save updated miz file Stable version & site: https://dsmcfordcs.wordpress.com/ Openbeta: https://github.com/Chromium18/DSMC The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously.
sobek Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 The evening crowns the day. Personally i think it will be done at some point (of course not 1.2.8), but that is just my impression. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
Silver_Dragon Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) I continue think DCS: F-15C and DCS: Flamming Clifft F-15C has separate modules and staments, and the F-15C show on the main page, dont enter into the FC orbit (in that case A-10A, Su-25, Su-27 and Mig-29 need put on the to match modules). Edited April 10, 2014 by Silver_Dragon For Work/Gaming: 28" Philips 246E Monitor - Ryzen 7 1800X - 32 GB DDR4 - nVidia RTX1080 - SSD 860 EVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 2 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Warthog / TPR / MDF
Darkwolf Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 SU-27 and F-15 are must-have. I don't worry too much, it's likely we'll get full DCS: F-15 and full DCS: Cy-27 one day or another... . .... That day been obviously in a far far, and far future. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] PC simulator news site. Also....Join the largest DCS community on Facebook :pilotfly:
PFunk1606688187 Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Its still kind of wishy washy. I guess DCS means PFM but not necessarily ASM now. The new terms don't totally eliminate all doubt from how to correctly interpret the old terms. Warning: Nothing I say is automatically correct, even if I think it is.
chromium Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Its still kind of wishy washy. I guess DCS means PFM but not necessarily ASM now. The new terms don't totally eliminate all doubt from how to correctly interpret the old terms. I still remember much time ago when Wags wrote some description about what ED consider minimum requirement for "DCS" definition, and if I remember correctly ASM was not part of that. Maybe even PFM was not part of that. But many things are different now, and maybe we should stick to Wags definitions and comparison table, which include every module released till now. Maybe, it could be interesting to ask third parties to tell us which definitions could fit their modules in the Wags list :) Author of DSMC, mod to enable scenario persistency and save updated miz file Stable version & site: https://dsmcfordcs.wordpress.com/ Openbeta: https://github.com/Chromium18/DSMC The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously.
DTWD Posted April 10, 2014 Author Posted April 10, 2014 Right I think I got it, I saw the matrix before I posted and the fact Wags had edited his post about DCS F15 and the website info page to reflect it was "DCS Flaming Cliffs". So confusion ensued. So is it going to be an expansion/addon in it's own right, but under the Flaming Cliffs banner instead of a true DCS aircraft, or remain part of FC as whole? Regards [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Plagi_Arism Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 I continue think DCS: F-15C and DCS: Flamming Clifft F-15C has separate modules and staments, and the F-15C show on the main page, dont enter into the FC orbit (in that case A-10A, Su-25, Su-27 and Mig-29 need put on the to match modules). Me too, looks sure after that they released the FC3-F-15C with PFM they will work on the next stage of F-15C with PFM+ASM, sure they don't want to explode all the gunpowder now. May the THRUST be with you
Nefron Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 I don't know, it just seems like a waste not to implement ASM for the F-15.
112th_Rossi Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) I'm going through this logically. On the DCS Main Site, theres a section called 'Products' It lists all the products that are available to purchase. It lists Flaming Cliffs 3 seperately, all the other modules are full study sims. The last item, the F15C stands out in it's own right. If the F15C was just a FC 'Add on' wouldn't it make sense to add this to the list of products on the right hand side along with all the other cheap modules? The way F15C is placed seems to suggest it is a full study sim product just like the others above (with the exception of Flaming Cliffs). Not only that, it's product page goes into great detail in the same way as the A10C page does. I'm willing to bet that the F15C is a study sim in the same vein as A10C, it's just not been properly announced yet. There are some interesting quotes from the product page too: Startup procedure is fully modeled. Pressing the Engine Start key initiates the automatic startup procedure, faithfully modeled in detail. The model follows real-world steps needed to start the engine in a real F-15; however the current implementation can only be performed automatically without additional manual input by player. Why bother with the detail in the page if it's just another FC style add on. The standalone FC addons such as Su25T and the A10A don't go into this detail at all. Also the naming convention is completely different. Edit: Also to go into detail about the product and not have it fully study sim is extremely misleading. If a customer were to come along and choose between the A10C and the F15C, should he choose the latter, they would be sorely disappointed. Theres nothing to indicate your don't get the full systems modelling as you do with the A10C. Thankfully it cannot be purchased. Edited April 10, 2014 by 112th_Rossi
Python Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 So where has the DCS: F15 thread gone? Was it removed for any particular reason? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
TAW_Blaze Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 I don't know, it just seems like a waste not to implement ASM for the F-15. It's not a matter of waste, it's a matter of resources and information. Being clickable is the smallest part of ASM. Creating a very well detailed model of AN/APG-63 and the TEWS is going to be extremely complicated, especially due to the lack of data for the latter.
cichlidfan Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Was it removed for any particular reason? You know moderators don't answer that question. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
Python Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 You know moderators don't answer that question. Anybody could answer. It wasn't an offensive thread or anything, It is just strange when something like that disappears over night without explanation. Unless it all erupted while I was away? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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