Development updates?

[MACADEMIC]

when i watch the News every day, i think the last Problem they have is to deliver updates for a game instead of take care what goes on in their land..... but maybe i,m wrong..... but if not, thoose People who are frustraded about lack of informations should calm down and wait with respect.

 

With all due respect, I've paid $250 and waited for my DCS P-51D codes since October last year. No information on progress on that topic since March. How about some respect for the backers?

 

MAC

[dougandtoni]

With all due respect, I've paid $250 and waited for my DCS P-51D codes since October last year. No information on progress on that topic since March. How about some respect for the backers?

 

MAC

 

So are you telling us that you have not recieved your code or key for the DCS P-51D and yet it has been out long before the kickstarter campaign started.

[dougandtoni]

Well, the first Kickstarter lawsuit takes place for not delivering a promised product:

http://www.geekwire.com/2014/attorney-general-asylum-playing-cards-crowdfunded-project/

 

Excellent news.

[MACADEMIC]

So are you telling us that you have not recieved your code or key for the DCS P-51D and yet it has been out long before the kickstarter campaign started.

 

Exactly right. Promised to be available as a backer reward as of October '13 following a successful Kickstarter campaign. Sent many emails, PMs, forum posts, not a single reply. How ED can be looking on when they actively supported the Kickstarter drive and host this forum is beyond me.

 

MAC

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

at this point, i cant think of anything positive when hearing rrg or luthier.i think im at a point, where i would love to get my money back, or seeing luthier beeing replaced by someone else, preferably by ED themselves, or even better, VEAO

[Silver_Dragon]

folks, don't make a mountain of that, I think meanwhile no pass the final project deadline (Sep 2014) we need wait news.

 

Remember. RRG Studios depend of DCS: World Eagle Dynamics core base to work over there. If that have a critical issue concerning to the core engine, RRG can´t fix them meanwhile ED don´t move. Actually, ED has centre to complete engine integration, if that is a problem to RRG, that nothing can make.

[bongodriver]

At this point I'd agree and I don't even want the money back, just want this crap to be over.

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

two months total silence was not part of the deal...communication was the reason i pledged.even if they were on a hold because of ED or EDGE, which i highly doubt, there is no reason whatsoever to leave the backers in the dark, and not even be able to make a single post in almost two months, its disrespectful.

at that point, i would see my money better invested in Nando's shares

[Nirvi]

I really expected a update yesterday, on June 6th...D-Day...

I mean it's DCS Europe 1944:cry:

[Krupi]

Calm down chaps, relinquish the pitchforks, I am sure we will here something soon...

[Flagrum]

Calm down chaps, relinquish the pitchforks, I am sure we will here something soon...

What is the basis of your confidence? :huh:

[Krupi]

What is the basis of your confidence? :huh:

 

Luthier still visits this forum even if he does not post anything, I am sure he understands our issues and I am sure he cannot do anything until edge is out, he will be under an NDA as are other 3rd parties so I imagine he is as frustrated as we are.

 

As soon as ED gives us some EDGE news I am sure we will start hearing more from RRG.

[Flagrum]

Luthier still visits this forum even if he does not post anything, I am sure he understands our issues and I am sure he cannot do anything until edge is out, he will be under an NDA as are other 3rd parties so I imagine he is as frustrated as we are.

 

As soon as ED gives us some EDGE news I am sure we will start hearing more from RRG.

And that he can't even tell us by himself?

 

That must be a hell of a news when he finally is allowed to say something... if he even must not admit that he is still working on _something_.

 

 

But all this was mentioned in this thread already dozends of times ...

 

edit:

and even if some sort of NDA between him and ED would be the reason for his silence ... for the relation between him and his backers/customers this is - technically - irrelevant. He then should have either not signed such an NDA or not promised his backers what he did.

Edited June 7, 2014 by Flagrum

[upupandaway]

folks, don't make a mountain of that

 

You are right, that´s the most reasonable approach, but on the other hand the complaints are justified for the most part.

 

we need wait news.

 

From a developers standpoint it probably makes more sense to work towards one big and impressive reveal rather than showing off features step by step as they are being integrated.

[cichlidfan]

folks, don't make a mountain of that, I think ...

 

What does that have to do with Ilya ignoring the backers?

[dougandtoni]

Exactly right. Promised to be available as a backer reward as of October '13 following a successful Kickstarter campaign. Sent many emails, PMs, forum posts, not a single reply. How ED can be looking on when they actively supported the Kickstarter drive and host this forum is beyond me.

 

MAC

 

I would be approaching Kickstater with what you have said above.

 

This is what kickstarter have to say "Kickstarter’s Terms of Use require creators to fulfill all rewards of their project or refund any backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill. (This is what creators see before they launch.) This information can serve as a basis for legal recourse if a creator doesn’t fulfill their promises. We hope that backers will consider using this provision only in cases where they feel that a creator has not made a good faith effort to complete the project and fulfill."

[Foul Ole Ron]

This whole thing is just sad and disappointing. There's always time to knock out a quick update every 2 weeks even if it's just a we did x, y and z. By not doing it he's losing goodwill all over the place and jeopardising any future KS campaigns he'd like to run. He's obviously enthusiastic about the project but clearly severely lacking in the common sense department.

[Buzzles]

edit:

and even if some sort of NDA between him and ED would be the reason for his silence ... for the relation between him and his backers/customers this is - technically - irrelevant. He then should have either not signed such an NDA or not promised his backers what he did.

 

Not only that, any NDA between ED and RRG will probably just cover ED technology, like EDGE and other deep engine bits.

 

As RRG are supposed to be making a number of aircraft for their own product (this module), I see no reason why they can't say anything to us about their progress on those bits.

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

besides all the other 3rd party developers dont seem to have any problem with the NDA and edge, and still give updates on what they are doing.

[cichlidfan]

It is a very rare NDA that keeps you from saying that you can't say anything.

[Scrim]

It would be quite silly to sign an NDA that doesn't allow you to do weekly updates, when that is exactly what was promised in the Kickstarter.

[gavagai]

It's silly for us to argue among ourselves. Both sides are right. Yes, ilya hasn't kept his word about the updates, and yes we should be patient.

 

Sound good?

[MACADEMIC]

I would be approaching Kickstater with what you have said above.

 

This is what kickstarter have to say "Kickstarter’s Terms of Use require creators to fulfill all rewards of their project or refund any backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill. (This is what creators see before they launch.) This information can serve as a basis for legal recourse if a creator doesn’t fulfill their promises. We hope that backers will consider using this provision only in cases where they feel that a creator has not made a good faith effort to complete the project and fulfill."

 

I've read through these terms. Technically each backer individually enters a contract with a creator, Kickstarter only provides the platform and is not party to the contract. To get my money back I would have to sue. This is very costly and complicated, insincere creators rely on this to keep them safe from claims.

 

That's why it's excellent news that, where non-fulfillment happens on a large scale, public prosecution on the basis of 'crowdfunding theft' has started to jump in. No doubt more cases are to follow.

 

:furious:

 

MAC

[Whiplash]

I really don't buy the NDA argument the slightest bit. I am blown away by Luther's refusal to communicate with us. VEAO does a fine job of managing development, PR, and they even manage to participate in a virtual squadron. There is absolutely no excuse why Luther cannot have more of a presence on here...NONE!! Are we suppose to believe that in a 40 hr work week he is so busy trying to deliver on his promises that he doesn't have 10-20 min to drop by and do some damage control, surely anything is better than nothing? Whatever concoction of reason and justification he has in his head about not communicating with us has to be borderline delusional. I'll sit tight and try to enjoy the ride, I will even do my best to remain positive, but this whole thing is a disappointing mess.

[rubblebeam]

It's silly for us to argue among ourselves. Both sides are right. Yes, ilya hasn't kept his word about the updates, and yes we should be patient.

 

Sound good?

Yes keep quiet and hope for the best. Let's hope that Ilya not keeping his word about the updates is the only thing he's not going to keep his word on.

There's a 109, a p-47, a spitfire and a 262 that are not bound by any ED NDA. With the lack of updates it appears to myself and many others that work has ground to a halt on this project.

Communication is the key. If the promised regular updates do not materialize, come September I personally will be asking for my money back and I don't think I'll be alone there. I'm well aware that the project will not be released in September but I expect regular updated. I expect value for my money. I work hard for my money and I expect those folk who I chose to give my hard earned money to, to fulfill their promises. I am not seeing that at the moment. In fact I'm seeing nothing.

If you've given money to this project and are happy to sit and wait in good faith while terms of the kickstarter are broken and are confident that things will be all right in the end. Good for you. If you're happy to give money away on faith you'll end up poor. I have an email in my spam folder from some guy in Africa looking for money. I'm too cynical to believe it. Maybe you'd like to give him your money. Let me know i'll forward you the email.