steele6 Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) Okay! lets look at the hints so far: Most of the team's focus has currently been on our two upcoming aircraft that are not the F-14. We hope to announce one of these, which is part of a larger project during the month of September, and the other in October. so we know two projects, that seem to be in more development than the F-14 Currently we have three separate theaters in development, one of which we have previously announced and will be released together with the F-14. The other two are slated for release either with, or directly after the release of our other two aircraft. All three are very unique and don't really have a lot in common. This is both a blessing and a curse, as it makes it easier to create more theaters in these particular environments later on, but also dramatically increases current workload. all 3 planes[assuming aeroplanes] will have 3 terrains. To achieve this framework, we have to spend a lot of time creating AI Aircraft, Ground and Naval units, all of which represent a huge investment of time and effort. Thus, we hope to avoid aircraft that are 'misplaced' in the wrong theater and environment. Naturally, the main campaign for each module will take place in their respective theater. they will be placed in their natural habitat, so for example, if its a rooivalk,* the map will be South Africa, or related African theatre. We hope to announce one of these, which is part of a larger project during the month of September, and the other in October. one announced in september, one in October, what do they mean when they say one is part of a larger project? is this a ww2 pacific setting for example? or are they standalone? We fully understand that it is frustrating to sit around and wait for an announcement of modules that are already so far into development; tell me about it! but I'm happy to wait! :) Most of these new technologies do however refer to in-game cockpit systems and avionics. Some have simply been time consuming, while others have been difficult in design, replication and implementation. They include, but are not limited to for example; Ground Mapping and Targeting Radar Complex missiles with Advanced Targeting Parameters Custom shaders for enhanced visual fidelity (e.g. CRT Screen representation) Unique visual features (In-pilot customization, etc.) New audio cues and enhanced fidelity Far more complex avionic and computer systems than in the MiG-21 New and unique PFM features and aerodynamic configurations New or unique methods of propulsion or force distribution note the hint here as well: Interestingly, many of the F-14s' systems are possibly simpler than one of our unannounced aircraft, but there is simply more – and that takes time. so,something more complex than the mig-21 and f-14. new or different method of flight compared to mig-21/f-14 complex avionics compared to mig-21 and f-14 needs a unique theater, different from f-14. (say, a harrier is also implicated the the atlantic, so its out. right? includes an A2G radar or ground attack capability. and lastly, one more hint: Originally Posted by Skjold View Post I think the hints so far is Duck (Vigg=Tufted Duck, Viggen= The Tufted Duck) so, what do we think it is Viggen: http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/2/1/7/0969712.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Saab_JA37_37447_Swedish_Air_Force_Marcel_van_Leeuwen.jpg as Viggen is similar to "tufted duck" in swedish** do we want the Viggen? hell yes, its a unique, A2g capable aircraft, that can dogfight, and its not a common one! ultimately of course, I want a Gripen.. so its close to one.. hopefully either VAEO or LNS will create it! :) Love you guys! Can't wait *for hypothetical logical analysis. I doubt its a rooivalk. ** you call your advanced, kick-ass aggressive, impressive fighter a "Tufted duck?" :huh: Edited September 3, 2015 by steele6
BravoYankee4 Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 With all this speculation I just can’t help myself getting carried away dreaming of a Baltic sea cold war scenario (map) in an AJ37 Viggen loaded with those huge anti-ship missiles. Flying at a surface skimming level (something Swedish pilots practiced a lot during the period) attacking vessels just east of the island Gotland. Returning to a temporary road base at the main land (the aircraft is more or less designed for that purpose), reloading with rockets and go back for a second run attacking ground forces at the beach head. Perhaps taking down a Hind or two with the 30mm gun before turning back again at almost zero altitude hoping that your friends in the JA models keep the skies free from MIG’s… By the way, Viggen pilots managed to get confirmed missile lock on the passing by SR-71 Blackbirds If you need some more inspiration, here are two of many videos out there:
MBot Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 With all this speculation I just can’t help myself getting carried away dreaming of a Baltic sea cold war scenario (map) in an AJ37 Viggen loaded with those huge anti-ship missiles. Flying at a surface skimming level (something Swedish pilots practiced a lot during the period) attacking vessels just east of the island Gotland. Returning to a temporary road base at the main land (the aircraft is more or less designed for that purpose), reloading with rockets and go back for a second run attacking ground forces at the beach head. Perhaps taking down a Hind or two with the 30mm gun before turning back again at almost zero altitude hoping that your friends in the JA models keep the skies free from MIG’s… Sound absolutely perfect to me. And I have a strong impression that this is exactly what we are going to get :) Though we would have to take down the Hind with 30mm gunpods ;)
Pilum Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 If they do the Viggen I hope it will be the JA37: The AJ-versions did not have an internal gun and could only fire Sidewinders. Seeing a2a combat is the thing that interests most in DCS, doing a AJ-version would be nice but maybe not appeal to a broader consumer base. In addition the JA-37 could carry the Rb99 and Sky Flash missiles both of which could be added with a minimum of effort since the game already includes the AIM-7 and AMRAAM. Also, while it is true that the PS-46A radar was mainly for a2a, it did contain limited support for ground attack. However, doing an accurate model of the JA-37 radar, avionics, ECM and display systems would be a huge undertaking. And about the map: Since we know about the F-14, if the other plane is a Viggen then why not do a Northern Scandinavia map? This area was of strategic interest both for NATO and the WP during the Cold War: NATO to contain the Soviet Northern Fleet above the GIUK gap and for the WP forces it was important to gain access to the Atlantic. In addition, IIRC then the USN sometime in the 80’s adopted a more aggressive policy for the northern flank to bottle in the Soviet Northern Fleet by deploying carriers far north….. So in this map scenario, the JA-37 and F-14 could co-exist and if they plan to do the Mig-23/27 later this would fit in perfectly as well. :) Old Crow ECM motto: Those who talk don't know and those who know don't talk........ Pilum aka Holtzauge My homepage: https://militaryaircraftperformance.com/
MBot Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) And about the map: Since we know about the F-14, if the other plane is a Viggen then why not do a Northern Scandinavia map? This area was of strategic interest both for NATO and the WP during the Cold War: NATO to contain the Soviet Northern Fleet above the GIUK gap and for the WP forces it was important to gain access to the Atlantic. In addition, IIRC then the USN sometime in the 80’s adopted a more aggressive policy for the northern flank to bottle in the Soviet Northern Fleet by deploying carriers far north….. So in this map scenario, the JA-37 and F-14 could co-exist and if they plan to do the Mig-23/27 later this would fit in perfectly as well. :) I love the idea of a North Cape map, but at this early stage I think it would be way too big and complex for LNS. Consider that LNS has at least left the possibility in the anouncement that the map could be released still this year (both unannounced airplanes planned to be released 2015, both have their own map, which are due with, or directly after the release of the two aircraft). At the same time, it is not even sure yet if ED's Nevada will still come this year. I think this leads to the conclusion that both maps are very small. For the first map I expect a small island atoll like Eniwetok or Kwajalein as a starting point for a larger Pacific war project. For the Viggen, just Gotland would be the perfect start. Also Gotland would be the better place for the AJ-37 (which the anti-ship missile hinted at). The attack Viggen did not have much place in Sweden's north. Edited September 3, 2015 by MBot
Dahlbeck Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 This has been debated here and in the "included theatre" topic (F-14 forum). A southern Baltic sea map would be a more natural habitat for the Viggen (or any Swedish aircraft). However, the name of a town/village in northern Norway (Lofoten area?) was shown in one of the terrain tool videos. So unless that was some kind of test or a map being made for one of the professional products using EDGE, it would seem that a northern Scandinavia map is in the works by someone... I'm hoping for both but would be happy with either.
Pilum Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 I love the idea of a North Cape map, but at this early stage I think it would be way too big and complex for LNS. Consider that LNS has at least left the possibility in the anouncement that the map could be released still this year (both unannounced airplanes planned to be released 2015, both have their own map, which are due with, or directly after the release of the two aircraft). At the same time, it is not even sure yet if ED's Nevada will still come this year. I think this leads to the conclusion that both maps are very small. For the first map I expect a small island atoll like Eniwetok or Kwajalein as a starting point for a larger Pacific war project. For the Viggen, just Gotland would be the perfect start. Also Gotland would be the better place for the AJ-37 (which the anti-ship missile hinted at). The attack Viggen did not have much place in Sweden's north. Sure, a Gotland scenario would be nice as well and I suppose you could think of F-14's over Gotland since that plane does have some legs. However, it would be quite audacious to move carriers into the Baltic in a shooting war but I suppose they could launch from off the Norwegian coast and still get the job done :smilewink: Old Crow ECM motto: Those who talk don't know and those who know don't talk........ Pilum aka Holtzauge My homepage: https://militaryaircraftperformance.com/
Pilum Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 This has been debated here and in the "included theatre" topic (F-14 forum). A southern Baltic sea map would be a more natural habitat for the Viggen (or any Swedish aircraft). However, the name of a town/village in northern Norway (Lofoten area?) was shown in one of the terrain tool videos. So unless that was some kind of test or a map being made for one of the professional products using EDGE, it would seem that a northern Scandinavia map is in the works by someone... I'm hoping for both but would be happy with either. +1 :thumbup: Old Crow ECM motto: Those who talk don't know and those who know don't talk........ Pilum aka Holtzauge My homepage: https://militaryaircraftperformance.com/
MBot Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 This September Update contained the new information that all 3 aircraft will have their own map, so the Tomcats wont have to come in the Baltic (which I agree is rather unlikely).
Skjold Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 A Gotland map makes perfect sense for any swedish plane becouse of these reasons. The island was of strategical importance for both NATO and the Warsaw pact, and ofcourse Sweden itself. The Gotland area had major airbases during the cold war, and to my knowledge also a network of road bases. The baltic sea east of Gotland was one of the most active intercept regions throughout the cold war with Soviet, DDR, Polish, Swedish, Danish, Norwegian, German, British & Americans flying there almost daily. It is small enough to be made fairly quickly, and fill out the rest as the baltic sea.
lmp Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 A South Baltic map would make a lot of sense for the MiG-21bis as well.
repsol Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 With all this speculation I just can’t help myself getting carried away dreaming of a Baltic sea cold war scenario (map) in an AJ37 Viggen loaded with those huge anti-ship missiles. Flying at a surface skimming level (something Swedish pilots practiced a lot during the period) attacking vessels just east of the island Gotland. Returning to a temporary road base at the main land (the aircraft is more or less designed for that purpose), reloading with rockets and go back for a second run attacking ground forces at the beach head. Perhaps taking down a Hind or two with the 30mm gun before turning back again at almost zero altitude hoping that your friends in the JA models keep the skies free from MIG’s… By the way, Viggen pilots managed to get confirmed missile lock on the passing by SR-71 Blackbirds] Almost zero altitude ! :joystick: Yessiree...That's how they did it... I remember the late eighties when i served in the swedish army...I almost shit my pants when thoose AJ's came flying overhead at treetop hight...BANG !! If one of these two aircrafts is a viggen...BRAVO ! :pilotfly:
MBot Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 A South Baltic map would make a lot of sense for the MiG-21bis as well. True, the VVS 899th IAP/APIB flew the MiG-21bis from 1975-82 near Riga, Latvia.
lmp Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 And the Polish Air Defense Forces had the 26th and 34th Fighter Aviation Regiments based on the coast and flying the MiG-21bis. The DDR probably had something as well? Anyway, considering all the activity in the area, "Cold War gone Hot" scenarios with MiG-21s and Viggens intercepting each other over the Baltic would be quite believable.
emg Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) Re^ Go to 6:33. Soviet Tu-16 rgt coming from the east, flying along the Polish coast on practice attack runs. The small tracks are East German and Polish MiG-21. The "sunrays" are jamming effects. Denmark's coastline is drawn in the left part of the video. South Sweden (where this radar was located) is in the centre with all the "lights." Edited September 3, 2015 by emg
KansasCS Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 All you guys are excited for the Viggen, yet here I sit and would want nothing more than the F16. I know this always comes up every 6 months or so, but why oh why hasn't any developer tried his hands at THE fighter of the 20th century. If someone would announce a kickstarter for it, I'd literally donate all I could spare. I'm dead serious. But please do carry on with Viggen talk. I for one find it nice but those canards tend to make it look like a fancy paper airplane. No offense.
EagleFox Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 I bet that 1 of the aircrafts is f4 wildcat
didilman Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) I secretly hope the first SAAB no matter wich one between draken,viggen and gripen. Its the only manufacturer we dont have now. I doubt about F-16 as ED is doing a F-16 right? But I wont ba disappointed if its F-16. Its one of the most Sold fighters in the world. Edited September 3, 2015 by didilman
Python Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 All you guys are excited for the Viggen, yet here I sit and would want nothing more than the F16. I know this always comes up every 6 months or so, but why oh why hasn't any developer tried his hands at THE fighter of the 20th century. If someone would announce a kickstarter for it, I'd literally donate all I could spare. I'm dead serious. But please do carry on with Viggen talk. I for one find it nice but those canards tend to make it look like a fancy paper airplane. No offense. You will get your F-16 eventually I am sure. And rest assured we all want it just as much as you. When it's time comes I'll be over the moon. But that time isn't yet it seems so try to enjoy the other aircraft in the mean time. A viggen would be a real treat! As for it looking like a paper airplane, well I've seen it many times at UK airshows over the years, as a kid and an adult. It never fails to impress seeing that huge, noisey jet moving around the sky so elegantly. It's a truly powerful machine. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
agrasyuk Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 but why oh why hasn't any developer tried his hands at THE fighter of the 20th century. If someone would announce a kickstarter for it, I'd literally donate all I could spare. I'm dead serious. . The answer is simple: for the same reason you didn't try your hands at it, same as I didn't try - as much as we would want to make a good F16 module both me and you lack the capacity. Before donating all you could spare for anything on kickstaterter i would strongly advise weighting whether the entity promising stuff has the capacity to deliver on the promise. Look at the WWII world kickstarter for example. Even though It was clear that Ilya incapable to deliver people still donated hoping for the best. Luckily (or unluckily) there was ED to foot all the promises. Otherwise that would have ended up as quite a failure Anton. My pit build thread . Simple and cheap UFC project
Mainstay Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 I hope it will be the A-6 intruder. Get a F-4 phantom next. That makes Mig15, Mig21, A6, F4 and the huey. Vietnam theatre anyone?
Zebra288 Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 The answer is simple: for the same reason you didn't try your hands at it, same as I didn't try - as much as we would want to make a good F16 module both me and you lack the capacity. Before donating all you could spare for anything on kickstaterter i would strongly advise weighting whether the entity promising stuff has the capacity to deliver on the promise. Look at the WWII world kickstarter for example. Even though It was clear that Ilya incapable to deliver people still donated hoping for the best. Luckily (or unluckily) there was ED to foot all the promises. Otherwise that would have ended up as quite a failure So much this! There are 2 (1 in particular) 3rd party devs I have no faith in them delivering anything decent. and thank Odin that Iris isn't developing anything anymore. 1
luckyhendrix Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 So much this! There are 2 (1 in particular) 3rd party devs I have no faith in them delivering anything decent. and thank Odin that Iris isn't developing anything anymore. Yea, I see what you mean, and I'm afraid that their projects might prevent the same aircrafts being done by others. But it is still early, and I hope we will be proven wrong.
didilman Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 So you guys are talking about Iris and Aerosoft?
ratherbegliding Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 So you guys are talking about Iris and Aerosoft? ...cue dramatic music.....children begin to cry......small animals scurry for cover........ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Intel i5 / 16gb RAM / Nvidia GeForce 1080Ti / Viewsonic 28" monitor / TM Warthog / TM Elite rudder pedals / TrackIR5 First flight sim: Psion 'Flight Simulator' (ZX Spectrum 48k)
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