DCS: F-5E!

[dartuil]

Care to elaborate?

 

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[SkateZilla]

+1

 

Care to elaborate?

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2579338&postcount=610

[Tirak]

2 Heaters..... Only..

 

Which is why they sent 6 MiG-28s to take on 2 F-14As :-p

 

I am still very confused by this, I've done a bit of checking around online and every single source I find says that the aircraft can carry 2 on the wingtips and up to an additional 4 on the under wing pylons. Now I've seen one of the devs say essentially pics or it didn't happen, and one user mention that this capability was near to being useless until low drag pylons were made later in the aircrafts life. Is there a physical limitation on the F-5E-3 that means it is not capable of mounting these pylons or the additional sidewinders, or is it really a "find us a picture" sort of deal?

[cofcorpse]

Is there a physical limitation on the F-5E-3 that means it is not capable of mounting these pylons or the additional sidewinders, or is it really a "find us a picture" sort of deal?

 

Without some sort of upgrade, F-5E pylons, pylon circuitry and weapons controls can't use any missiles from underwing pylons, only from wingtips.

 

Any F-5, that carry missiles (AA or AG) on undewing pylons is somehow upgraded version of basic model.

[SkateZilla]

I have yet to find any pix online for F-5Es with any A2A Missiles on underwing pylons, even when searching withing pix of countries known to independantly finance the upgrades to the Avionics and Pylons.

 

By time they got the capability the F-5E was useless outisde of a Light Attack Aircraft Role, 6 AIM-9s didnt mean diddly against modern fighters and you would not be (purposely) sending them up against 4th Gen Or 4.5 Gen Fighters, so most loadouts are pretty much A2G ordinance on the underwing pylons with AIM9s for some type of self defense...

Edited December 14, 2015 by SkateZilla

[Tirak]

I have yet to find any pix online for F-5Es with any A2A Missiles on underwing pylons, even when searching withing pix of countries known to independantly finance the upgrades to the Avionics and Pylons.

 

I have, but apparently it's a moot point :(

[NineLine]

I have, but apparently it's a moot point :(

 

Did you post links to your sources, cofcorpse and the BST team are pretty good at hearing us if we have something to back it up.

[Custard]

 

There are plenty of pictures of F-5Es with quirky loadouts, but the default '70s model could only carry AIM-9s on the wingtip pylons as it states in the manual. BST are right to restrict the F-5E to a pair of sidewinders since they are developing an F-5E specifically from the era of the MiG-21Bis.

[NineLine]

Yeah, random pics with no source reference wont help us gain any ground with the devs :)

[SkateZilla]

^ That's Technically an F-5E Tiger III Plus ("Fach")

Upgraded Chilean Variant, that can Carry added stores on the upgraded pylons, Like the Python III/IV Missiles Pictured.

 

it is not an off the line standard F-5E, its an privately funded upgrade thru an individual nation's program.

 

F-5E Tiger III

Upgraded version of the F-5E in use by the Chilean Air Force, with EL/M-2032 radar replacing the original AN/APQ-159.

Edited December 14, 2015 by SkateZilla

[Custard]

Exactly, anyone can pull an out of context image off the web but at the end of the day the manual is pretty explicit about what stores can be carried where.

[Kev2go]

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2579338&postcount=610

 

Okay m8

 

Yes I am aware of the differences it will have as a module/aircraft vs just a early or basic model F5. In fact I did research posting technical manuals of the various avionics within this very thread.

 

 

However I was clearly speaking about not really noticing any difference with F5-E3 ai performance over the regular AI F5E solely from a game play perspective.

Edited December 15, 2015 by Kev2go

[AstroEma]

F5E ??

 

Hi all,

 

I see that in the folder E:\DCS World OpenBeta\CoreMods\aircraft there are listed a few aircrafts which I didn't know where even there.

For example the F5E! Which I love!

 

Where is this aircraft and how can I fly it??

[Art-J]

You can't fly it yet, it's an AI unit only. Belsimtek is developing a flyable one, though, so we might get it somewhere next year. Go to their section of the forum for more details.

 

The folder You see comprises a new 3D model of it, introduced recently.

[=DECOY=]

check this out!!!

 

it's a 360 video from YouTube of the Swiss F5 display team! !!!

 

watch it in YouTube app:)

 

[Zibell]

 

This is before the F-5EM upgrade of the FAB. Brazilian F-5E's would typically carry Aim-9B's, MAA-1's Piranha and Python 3's, on both wingtip and outermost pylon.

 

After the F-5EM upgrade, they can carry pretty much anything anywhere, including Derby BVR missiles.

 

Edit: I had an image in-flight with Aim-9B's on wingtips and Python 3's on pylons. It's no longer available but you can see it here.

Edited December 15, 2015 by Zibell

[SkateZilla]

 

This is before the F-5EM upgrade of the FAB. Brazilian F-5E's would typically carry Aim-9B's, MAA-1's Piranha and Python 3's, on both wingtip and outermost pylon.

 

After the F-5EM upgrade, they can carry pretty much anything anywhere, including Derby BVR missiles.

 

Edit: I had an image in-flight with Aim-9B's on wingtips and Python 3's on pylons. It's no longer available but you can see it here.

 

 

another F-5E Tiger III Plus "Fach" Upgraded Variant...

[Zibell]

another F-5E Tiger III Plus "Fach" Upgraded Variant...

 

I'm sorry, what? Did you read?

[SkateZilla]

I'm sorry, what? Did you read?

 

Elbit and The Brazilian program, re-designated as F-5M, adds a new Grifo-F radar along with several avionics and cockpit refurbishments, including the Dash helmet. The F-5M has been equipped with new weapon systems such as the Beyond Visual Range Derby missile, Python IV short-range air-to-air missile, SMKBs smart bomb,[40] and several other weapons.

 

Before the M/EM, they were not able to Carry the Pythons

[Zibell]

Elbit and The Brazilian program, re-designated as F-5M, adds a new Grifo-F radar along with several avionics and cockpit refurbishments, including the Dash helmet. The F-5M has been equipped with new weapon systems such as the Beyond Visual Range Derby missile, Python IV short-range air-to-air missile, SMKBs smart bomb,[40] and several other weapons.

 

Before the M/EM, they were not able to Carry the Pythons

 

They were, but the Python III, as per images.

 

The EM/FM upgraded F-5's all left embraer with the new green-gray camouflage, even the prototypes.

 

And here's another:

 

 

Please note the F-5E written in the tail, as opposed to F-5EM.

 

Also, picture is from CRUZEX 2002 exercize, roughly three years before the first modernized F-5's were received.

Edited December 16, 2015 by Zibell

[Stratos]

Then you have to accept that Belsimtek is doing the non-upgraded F-5E, non rewired to shoot missiles from the wing stations.

[Vampyre]

They were, but the Python III, as per images.

 

The EM/FM upgraded F-5's all left embraer with the new green-gray camouflage, even the prototypes.

 

And here's another:

 

 

Please note the F-5E written in the tail, as opposed to F-5EM.

 

Also, picture is from CRUZEX 2002 exercize, roughly three years before the first modernized F-5's were received.

 

Personally, I'd be more inclined to believe the F-5E was able to use the missiles pictured if they were flying and had actual war shot missiles rather than training shapes on the ground. With no other frame of reference these could very well be manufacturer advertisement photos of weapons fitment tests for the F-5EM upgrade. Those types of testing are used to ensure the weapons can physically fit on the aircraft. It doesn't prove they can actually be fired by the jet.

 

They say a picture is worth a thousand words. The caveat to that is that, in the photos, you have to understand the context and content what is being shown in them to understand the true nature of the photo.

 

**EDIT** It is interesting to note that the very first EM upgrade is FAB 4834.... the aircraft in the photo. This was the prototype for the EM program upgrade which further reinforces my assumption that this was weapons fitment testing.

http://www.aviationpros.com/press_release/11368538/tap-me-brazil-delivers-the-first-f5-to-the-fab-after-performing-a-depot-level-inspection

Edited December 16, 2015 by Vampyre

[WinterH]

Extended root on the vertical tail and prominent fin between canopy and tail (probably an antenna for some electronic equipment) on this aircraft mean that it is not vanilla F-5E anyway.

[mattebubben]

Im ok with with having just the 2 missile aslong as we atleast get the Aim-9P4. (aswell as Aim-9B and Aim-9P3 but it should have a P4 or a P5 as the top choice)

 

There are plenty of F-5E users using the Aim-9P4 (and a few with Aim-9P5) and the P-4 and P-5 where able to be used from any platform that could use older aim-9s (Aim-9P Aim-9J etc)

 

So any Default F-5E would be able to carry the Aim-9P4 or Aim-9P5

(That are All Aspect variants of the Aim-9P)

 

they also both fit the Time frame as the P4 enterd service early 80s (80-82) with the P5 before 85.

Edited December 17, 2015 by mattebubben

[Zibell]

I doubt the Air Force would do weapons fitting test in the middle of an international training exercise. But yes, our F-5s were ordered with some different stuff, such as the antenna mentioned. Doesn't make it any less an F-5E...