Nealius Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Mission file attached. Simple Su-25T mission created in 1.5. Wind direction set in the ME is reversed in the 3D world, confirmed both by ATC and chimney smoke: SET...................ACTUAL 225@4m/s..........045@5m/s 045@4m/s..........225@5m/s 120@4m/s..........300@5m/s 300@4m/s..........120@5m/s Also investigated wind speed discrepancy. Speeds are consistently 1m/s faster than ME setting.
Ranbi2Delta Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Yeah, this has been there for a while, I think, even before 1.5. The ME really needs to have the wind displayed as it is in real life. The ATC reports are correct, in that the tell you the bearing that the wing is coming from. The mission editor needs to be changed to reflect this as well. So if you set the wind direction to 120, the wind will be blowing from 120, not towards 120. "What's that goat doing up here in the clouds?"
tintifaxl Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 This (mis)behaviour is as old as DCS World. Windows 10 64bit, Intel i9-9900@5Ghz, 32 Gig RAM, MSI RTX 3080 TI, 2 TB SSD, 43" 2160p@1440p monitor.
Stealth_HR Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Doesn't this depend on whether you pick Russian or NATO signage in the Options? NATO and Russian aeronautical wind direction are supposed to be 180° apart, to the best of my knowledge. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Real men fly ground attack :pilotfly: where EVERYTHING wants a piece of you :D
Ranbi2Delta Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 I've got NATO options selected, yet this still occurs. "What's that goat doing up here in the clouds?"
Nealius Posted October 27, 2015 Author Posted October 27, 2015 I have NATO options selected as well, and I do not recall having this issue in older versions.
Grimes Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 Doesn't this depend on whether you pick Russian or NATO signage in the Options? NATO and Russian aeronautical wind direction are supposed to be 180° apart, to the best of my knowledge. I've never known that to be the case. The right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world. Current Projects: Grayflag Server, Scripting Wiki Useful Links: Mission Scripting Tools MIST-(GitHub) MIST-(Thread) SLMOD, Wiki wishlist, Mission Editing Wiki!, Mission Building Forum
P3CFE Posted September 15, 2016 Posted September 15, 2016 Wind direction is interpreted wrong I think it is a big thing that a High quality sim like DCS is spoiled by wrong wind implementation. AI is taxing to the wrong runway end to go in Take Off with a tail wind :cry: ATC is giving wrong direction for take off, but for landing the opposite on the same runway :pilotfly: Direction in mission editor is not " coming from" like it should but " going to" which is wrong :cry: Is it that hard to fix ?? it is a real BUG...!! ED ... Please fix this !! 1
Holbeach Posted September 15, 2016 Posted September 15, 2016 This (mis)behaviour is as old as DCS World. It's as old as Lock-on. I first saw this question asked in LOF 10 years ago and has occured regularly ever since. Way back in the 17th century there were 2 wind directions used by shipping, to or from, so to eliminate confusion, the major nations got together to decide on one direction throughout the world. The direction in which the weather cock is pointing, was decided would prevail throughout the world. At about the same time there were dozens of different buoyage systems, so the nations got together again to sort it out. It didn't go quite as well this time, as it came down to 2 completely opposed systems, which is still in use today. Red, can mean port or starboard depending on which part of the world you are in. Even to this day there are 2 different wind directions, DCS wind and the rest of the world. .. ASUS 2600K 3.8. P8Z68-V. ASUS ROG Strix RTX 2080Ti, RAM 16gb Corsair. M2 NVME 2gb. 2 SSD. 3 HDD. 1 kW ps. X-52. Saitek pedals. ..
Redglyph Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 Bug still exists on 1.5.5.60565.216, very confusing. System specs: Win7 x64 | CPU: i7-4770K | RAM: 16 GB | GPU: GTX 980 Ti 6 GB | Thrustmaster HOTAS | MFG rudder pedals | SATA3 SSD | TrackIR
Jack McCoy Posted January 17, 2018 Posted January 17, 2018 People are still scratching their heads about this one... i7-7700K@4.8GHz, 16Gb-3200, GTX-1080Ti-Strix-11Gb, Maximus IX Hero, Oculus Rift, Thrustmaster Warthog+F/A-18C, Logitech G940 Pedals.
mhe Posted January 17, 2018 Posted January 17, 2018 Very old one, but if they fix this, a ton of missions that have been designed with a workaround for said bug would have to be revisited and fixed, even narrated tutorials. Maybe this is why there is silence around it? | i9 12900K | 64GB DDR5-6000 | STRIX RTX 4090 OC | LG 38GN950 38" | | Hanns-G HT225HPB | TIR 5 & Varjo Aero | Virpil Throttle & Stick | TM TPRs | You don't stop playing because you grow old, you grow old because you stop playing.
NeilWillis Posted January 17, 2018 Posted January 17, 2018 If you know it exists, how is it considered a bug? OK, it doesn't conform to convention, but it is what it is, and clearly there has been no urgency from ED to "fix" it, so we will just have to live with it.
ApoNOOB Posted January 17, 2018 Posted January 17, 2018 This really has gone long enough, please fix this for 2.5 alteast. Actually searched for this today, found a few other threads about the same problem (not quite as old as this one).
NeilWillis Posted January 17, 2018 Posted January 17, 2018 Mountain out of a mole hill. Or can't you add and subtract in units of 180? There is clearly a reason why this isn't a priority - possibly because of all the housekeeping that will be required to correct it - every campaign, mission, ATC voice and mission briefing card will need updating. There is also the small matter of every other bug needing fixing too plus 2.5 and F/A-18C launches on the horizon. Do you really suggest you can't work around it?
Habu_69 Posted January 17, 2018 Posted January 17, 2018 It is not really that hard. In the ME wind setting app the arrows show the direction the wind is blowing. I think all the cockpit wind data shows normal wind-from direction. Or am I wrong?
rangerobert Posted January 17, 2018 Posted January 17, 2018 ... Way back in the 17th century there were 2 wind directions used by shipping, to or from, so to eliminate confusion, the major nations got together to decide on one direction throughout the world. The direction in which the weather cock is pointing, was decided would prevail throughout the world. .. As the sailors say: "the WIND comes FROM, the CURRENT goes TO". I know in Italian, but ... :D rob
Redglyph Posted January 17, 2018 Posted January 17, 2018 Very old one, but if they fix this, a ton of missions that have been designed with a workaround for said bug would have to be revisited and fixed, even narrated tutorials. Maybe this is why there is silence around it? That wouldn't require any modification in the existing missions, what is wrong is just what is displayed, in the mission editor and perhaps in the mission briefing - I don't know anymore because of this confusion. It was funny to see the other day that IL-2 has the same bug in its mission editor. Still, quite annoying because one never knows whether the wind displayed is correct or reversed. System specs: Win7 x64 | CPU: i7-4770K | RAM: 16 GB | GPU: GTX 980 Ti 6 GB | Thrustmaster HOTAS | MFG rudder pedals | SATA3 SSD | TrackIR
NeilWillis Posted January 17, 2018 Posted January 17, 2018 IL-2 and DCS World both have their origins in Russia. It may well be that when the rest of the world adopted the wind from convention, Russia didn't fall in line?
grunf Posted January 17, 2018 Posted January 17, 2018 Fortunately the ATC is giving correct direction, and hopefully it will continue to do so if it gets overhauled in the future
Dan-154C Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) It's not a bug... It's the standard way of reading wind. North-East(Arrow to 045) wind means the wind is COMING from the North-East. Edited January 25, 2018 by Dan-154C
rangerobert Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) ... It's the standard way of reading wind. North-East (Arrow to 045) wind means the wind is COMING from the North-West. :D Well, my friend, maybe some people here are already confused ... If we add more and more confusion we won't be helpful. It's probably a typo, but you mean "the wind going TO North-East (arrow pointing to 045°) is COMING from South-West". With North-West you added an other -90° variable. And this is of course wrong more than the other ones. Cheers, rob Edited January 19, 2018 by rangerobert
WildBillKelsoe Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 to alleviate this problem I learned to see the To and extrapolate the From in every mission. Also, when speaking magnetic versus true course, are those winds true or magnetic? Do I need to subtract or add 6? AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
FragBum Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 Yes it's something you adjust to after setting up 100Kph wind and launching the gazelle a-backwards. :D Control is an illusion which usually shatters at the least expected moment. Gazelle Mini-gun version is endorphins with rotors. See above. Currently rolling with a Asus Z390 Prime, 9600K, 32GB RAM, SSD, 2080Ti and Windows 10Pro, Rift CV1. bu0836x and Scratch Built Pedals, Collective and Cyclic.
Robin_Hood Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 to alleviate this problem I learned to see the To and extrapolate the From in every mission. Also, when speaking magnetic versus true course, are those winds true or magnetic? Do I need to subtract or add 6? I highly suspect it is true heading, because most if not all of the editor is in true (airspeed, altitude, headings) ; I don't know this for a fact, though. 2nd French Fighter Squadron
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