DefaultFace Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) Actually I remember an interview with a 262 pilot where he spoke about how he was amazed at the maintenance infrastructure they had setup for the Jumo Engines. Of course they were well aware of the low MTBI for the engines so a number of engines were distributed all over the country, in workshops, garages etc. Apparently they weren't so difficult to work on and most mechanics, or repairmen could get the job done. Anyway this pilot told a story about needing an engine changed so he talked to the maintenance people, and they looked in some sort of primitive database system to see where the nearest one was and then hopped in a truck to go get one from some village, brought it back and swapped it out. http://video.flyingheritage.com/v/117071850/lieutenant-jorg-czypionka.htm Edit: engine change story at about 1:14, talks about distributing engines at about 1 hour. Edited May 25, 2020 by DefaultFace 1 9./JG27 "If you can't hit anything, it's because you suck. If you get shot down, it's because you suck. You and me, we know we suck, and that makes it ok." - Worst person in all of DCS "In the end, which will never come, we will all be satisifed... we must fight them on forum, we will fight them on reddit..." - Dunravin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungo13 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 When you quote someone to appear more intelligent than you actually are, you have to know the whole context from which that quotation is taken from. "As Albert Einstein once said to me: “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity.” But what is much more widespread than the actual stupidity is the playing stupid, turning off your ear, not listening, not seeing." Gestalt Therapy Verbatim by Frederick S. Perls. So, as you can see, you fall into your own trap, as you clearly cannot understand what ergonomics is and what it implies.:megalol::megalol::megalol: ROFL. When you try to judge the intelligence, please: It is good to start by not being faster in writing than reading and understanding. I am not sure whether you are at least aware, that many quotes became part of the cultural part of the language - that means they are not inevitably still complete and within original context. I am now pretty sure that you even missed the fact that this quote was used as a sort of a joke - and you missed the meaning. Sorry, next time I will add explanation. As well as I am pretty sure that when it comes to ergonomics, working space, outside view, dead angles, noise, vibrations and other adverse effects are part of the problem and its solution. Eric Brown is not the god almighty but it doesn't seem that he universally praised german cockpits. Btw. - I've made a quick look at him and Me-262 - he cites small cockpit to make it demanding job to perform some procedures i.e during starting of the engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExplosion Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Actually I remember an interview with a 262 pilot where he spoke about how he was amazed at the maintenance infrastructure they had setup for the Jumo Engines. Of course they were well aware of the low MTBI for the engines so a number of engines were distributed all over the country, in workshops, garages etc. Apparently they weren't so difficult to work on and most mechanics, or repairmen could get the job done. Anyway this pilot told a story about needing an engine changed so he talked to the maintenance people, and they looked in some sort of primitive database system to see where the nearest one was and then hopped in a truck to go get one from some village, brought it back and swapped it out. http://video.flyingheritage.com/v/117071850/lieutenant-jorg-czypionka.htm Edit: engine change story at about 1:14, talks about distributing engines at about 1 hour. Wow, great interview. Thanks for sharing :) 2 Kein Anderer als ein Jäger spürt, Den Kampf und Sieg so konzentriert. Das macht uns glücklich, stolz und froh, Der Jägerei ein Horrido! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExplosion Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 -well, first production Meteors were finished some time before Me-262 No. And also Me-262 was more advanced in comparison and saw way more service during WW2. First flight Me-262: 18. July 1942 Meteor: 5. March 1943 1 1 Kein Anderer als ein Jäger spürt, Den Kampf und Sieg so konzentriert. Das macht uns glücklich, stolz und froh, Der Jägerei ein Horrido! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 That would be rather Meteor - but it doesn't have potential to be such a bestseller. I just wonder how is anyone going to implement that 10-hour service interval for the engines. Well, after the war, those engines were found to be usable only for 4 hours of flight, than they required overhaul of the turbines. :smartass: The 262 was the first operational jet fighter .I honestly don't know what the meteor was. Even after the war the Meter suffered from serious structure problems and failures . Also the cannons jammed , harmony of control problems , compressibility problems , until it received better engines after the war ended it was also underpowered . There's more but i don't have the time . The problem is some western historians have a chip on the shoulder and cherry pick some issue with the german ,russian etc planes , tanks of other nations to artificially inflate how good their equipment was . So let's compare engines: Publication: Commercial Aviation in the Jet Era and the Systems that Make it Possible By Thomas Filburn Jumo engine 10 hours lifespan (that's also what i know for early variants ) Derwent engine life 25 hours Publication Mechanics of Flight De Warren F. Phillips Jumo engine life 25 hours (i've heart but can't confirm it was later improved to 50 hours) Also the 262's engines according to Bob Strobel are easy to change . Meteor's not so much. PS: Reliability alone means nothing .What matters is in economic terms utility (or in combat terms efficiency). For example the Sherman tank was more reliable than the Pershing tank in Korea but even so the Pershing was 4 times more efficient in dealing with enemy tanks and 3.5 times better overall. I also could write a lot about Sherman reliability problems .But like i said people aren't really interested in facts but more about pushing their agenda. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 we're already flying unhistorically conditioned k-4s and that's not an issue so how are pristine 262s on every flight any more of an issue? dude just imagine the bug sections if servers were to actually run random failures hahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted July 6, 2020 ED Team Share Posted July 6, 2020 please stay on topic here " DCS: Me 262 Discussion " thank you Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2.1 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 we're already flying unhistorically conditioned k-4s why? can you write more? Летаю по священным скрижалям Хартмана Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iFoxRomeo Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) OMG!! Me(262) happy!!!!11 Hm... when I open this section again, only my selected aircraft are shown. There is something going on. Fox Edited August 3, 2020 by iFoxRomeo 1 Spoiler PC Specs: Ryzen 9 5900X, 3080ti, 64GB RAM, Oculus Quest 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmirkingGerbil Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 OMG!! Me(262) happy!!!!11 Hm... when I open this section again, only my selected aircraft are shown. There is something going on. Fox It shows two aircraft selected, and your backer level as 2 aircraft. Since those licenses are issued already, you will have to wait for the 262 to come out, and pay DCS module price. 262 is still in early development. Pointy end hurt! Fire burn!! JTF-191 25th Draggins - Hawg Main. Black Shark 2, A10C, A10CII, F-16, F/A-18, F-86, Mig-15, Mig-19, Mig-21, P-51, F-15, Su-27, Su-33, Mig-29, FW-190 Dora, Anton, BF 109, Mossie, Normandy, Caucasus, NTTR, Persian Gulf, Channel, Syria, Marianas, WWII Assets, CA. (WWII backer picked aircraft ME-262, P-47D). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iFoxRomeo Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 It shows two aircraft selected, and your backer level as 2 aircraft. Since those licenses are issued already, you will have to wait for the 262 to come out, and pay DCS module price. 262 is still in early development. Thank you, I'm perfectly aware that I have to buy the module, when it comes out, as I have bought all other WWII modules :doh: The point is, there was no entry for the Me262 for years. This entry just appeared on my backer page and now disappeared, even the other non-selected aircraft disappeared(now only the D9 and K4 are shown). That's the point. This fueled my hope, that a release is not years ahead, but maybe within a year or so. Fox 1 Spoiler PC Specs: Ryzen 9 5900X, 3080ti, 64GB RAM, Oculus Quest 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmirkingGerbil Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Thank you, I'm perfectly aware that I have to buy the module, when it comes out, as I have bought all other WWII modules :doh: The point is, there was no entry for the Me262 for years. This entry just appeared on my backer page and now disappeared, even the other non-selected aircraft disappeared(now only the D9 and K4 are shown). That's the point. This fueled my hope, that a release is not years ahead, but maybe within a year or so. Fox Sorry, I was referencing my backer page when I initially replied, the 262, and all the other aircraft are options and have been for years since the kickstarter was taken over - not sure why your account differs, maybe you need to open a ticket? 1 Pointy end hurt! Fire burn!! JTF-191 25th Draggins - Hawg Main. Black Shark 2, A10C, A10CII, F-16, F/A-18, F-86, Mig-15, Mig-19, Mig-21, P-51, F-15, Su-27, Su-33, Mig-29, FW-190 Dora, Anton, BF 109, Mossie, Normandy, Caucasus, NTTR, Persian Gulf, Channel, Syria, Marianas, WWII Assets, CA. (WWII backer picked aircraft ME-262, P-47D). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iFoxRomeo Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Sorry, I was referencing my backer page when I initially replied, the 262, and all the other aircraft are options and have been for years since the kickstarter was taken over - not sure why your account differs, maybe you need to open a ticket? Okay. Strange thing is, the Me 262 was never listed on my page before. But no need for a support ticket, as I have no KS options left. I'll buy it the moment it is in the store. I just thought that this might have been a preparation for the Me, so that it might be closer to release than I thought. Seems it is not :cry:... wish was father of thought Fox 1 Spoiler PC Specs: Ryzen 9 5900X, 3080ti, 64GB RAM, Oculus Quest 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fliegefisch Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Is the me-262 still coming? Is it on hold or cancelled completely? :noexpression: Im asking because it hasn`t been mentioned by the devs since last year i think. In the latest interview with Nick Grey he stated that after the mosquito they will probably continue with battle of britain. Part at 51:10 :pilotfly: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummingbird Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Probably delayed due to them having their hands full with other modules atm. Not great as I'm eagerly awaiting this module, but have to accept that ED might be behind schedule due to corona and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavagai Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 It seems like the Me 262 is abandonware: https://forums.eagle.ru/forum/news/official-updates/6135030-weekend-news?p=7137347#post7137347 So much for the kickstarter circa 2014. P-51D | Fw 190D-9 | Bf 109K-4 | Spitfire Mk IX | P-47D | WW2 assets pack | F-86 | Mig-15 | Mig-21 | Mirage 2000C | A-10C II | F-5E | F-16 | F/A-18 | Ka-50 | Combined Arms | FC3 | Nevada | Normandy | Straight of Hormuz | Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etirion Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Nothing in the newsletter mentions anything about the 262 being abandoned, that the Mossie would be the next WW2 module has been known for quite some time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 All nice and good, but have they even started development yet or are they still searching for documents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummingbird Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Yeah, not sure why they chose to release the Mossie before the 262 considering the latter being a promise from 6 years ago. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavagai Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Yeah, not sure why they chose to release the Mossie before the 262 considering the latter being a promise from 6 years ago. This. Some people already paid for the 262. 2 P-51D | Fw 190D-9 | Bf 109K-4 | Spitfire Mk IX | P-47D | WW2 assets pack | F-86 | Mig-15 | Mig-21 | Mirage 2000C | A-10C II | F-5E | F-16 | F/A-18 | Ka-50 | Combined Arms | FC3 | Nevada | Normandy | Straight of Hormuz | Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 you really shouldn't paint others as negligent or of ill intent for the sake of extorting a concession Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummingbird Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 The forum is here for people to express themselves regarding DCS, hence if people don't agree with or have questions regarding any decision ED made/makes it's to be expected, and allowed, that they will voice it so long as it's kept civil. Asking why we're getting a Mossie before a plane that was originally promised 6 years ago is a legitimate question, and not an attempt at making them change their mind as obviously that's too late.All we can hope is that the 262 gets the attention it deserves going forward from the release of the Mossie. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmeliak Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 check DCS roadmap guys, 262 is there .. yes still moving to the later date but there is some movement. just pray more... :megalol: Steel Hotas Warthog + Hoffmans F16 rudders, Oculus Rift S, EVGA RTX3090, Core i7 4790K Hangar: Ka50, A10C, A10A, A10CII, SU27, SU33, SU25, Av8BNA, Bf109K4, F16C, F86, FA18C, FW190D9, i-16, L39C, Mi8, MiG15, MiG19P, MiG21, P51D, Spitfire, SuperCarrier, Yak52, P47, F14, Mi24P, Me262? Flying over CAU, NEV, NORM, SYR, CHNL, PER, ATL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted November 15, 2020 Author ED Team Share Posted November 15, 2020 It seems like the Me 262 is abandonware It has not been abandoned, and as far as I am aware, still planned for after the Mosquito. 6 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmirkingGerbil Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 It has not been abandoned, and as far as I am aware, still planned for after the Mosquito. Great news, have plenty of beautiful WWII birds to keep busy until then, specifically the P-47D-XX on the DM servers! Pointy end hurt! Fire burn!! JTF-191 25th Draggins - Hawg Main. Black Shark 2, A10C, A10CII, F-16, F/A-18, F-86, Mig-15, Mig-19, Mig-21, P-51, F-15, Su-27, Su-33, Mig-29, FW-190 Dora, Anton, BF 109, Mossie, Normandy, Caucasus, NTTR, Persian Gulf, Channel, Syria, Marianas, WWII Assets, CA. (WWII backer picked aircraft ME-262, P-47D). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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