DCS : F4U-1 Corsair

[Cab]

16 minutes ago, Hunter Joker said:

If there's not a map and some AI aircrafts and Assett to support the Corsair Mag3 will earn less money. More over ED has the final word on every release, so yes, I'm still saying that from a purely marketing standpoint it's the case.

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A bold claim. I guess we'll find out at some point.

[Silver_Dragon]

16 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

The Corsair had been in production for 8+ years ww2 Marinas 3.
What was Mag3 supposed do if ED didn't decide on making Marianas?
We have plenty of modules that don't really have a home.
Like I-16 and the upcoming LA-7.
MiG15. Viggen finally got a home last week, after 5+ years.

Someone need remember the first talking about a Corsair module coming when M3 was Leatherneck 3rd parties, when Mig-21bis was release and Lnk show a stub about a Iwo Jima map and a F4U.... Before break them and form Heatblur (and AJS-37)... And M3 (with rescue de Mig-21bis and start the CE2 to relearn making modules to DCS).... They put the F4U on "fridge" and Iwo Jima was depleted , they never form a map team as Heatblur (the claims about the baltic and north atlantic mais). On that times none has know about a Marianas.... Modern or WW2 by ED, was the times of the Channel.... And RRG studios "drama" modules.

Add to Octopus-G the incoming Po-2, show on the Chirsmast video, and that team has no a Assets Pack team. About maps, the same situations, Only ED and Ugra media make maps, bue UM has none a assets pack team yet.

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Edited May 10 by Silver_Dragon

[Hammer1-1]

why does it need assets? most people wont buy it until it comes with a carrier, but I think thats a bit asinine. not having a european theater didnt stop people from buying the mustang or spitfire, and ED sold an assets pack to assist in sales with other terrains as they came out to support the era of aircraft. you're buying the aircraft itself, and thats all you really should expect. if the corsair wasnt such a big deal without japanese fighters and torpedo bombers to play against, then miltechs F4U wouldnt have sold at all. thats one of my favorite MSFS and P3D modules of all time.

[Hunter Joker]

3 hours ago, Hammer1-1 said:

why does it need assets? most people wont buy it until it comes with a carrier, but I think thats a bit asinine. not having a european theater didnt stop people from buying the mustang or spitfire, and ED sold an assets pack to assist in sales with other terrains as they came out to support the era of aircraft. you're buying the aircraft itself, and thats all you really should expect. if the corsair wasnt such a big deal without japanese fighters and torpedo bombers to play against, then miltechs F4U wouldnt have sold at all. thats one of my favorite MSFS and P3D modules of all time.

Sorry mate but the fact that the Corsair is Your favorite MSFS and P3D module is pointless here.
Also You compare a civilian sym where You have nothing to do apart flight from A to B  without combat, and so every map and every assett theorically will be good because of it with a combat sym where You fly for fighting enemy that must (theorically...) of same era and within a contestual theater? Come on...
Finally please, try to remain polite, accusing people to be " a bit asinine" only because have an opinion different from Your is not correct and also didn't make Your opinion more valuable.
Thx.

 

[Hammer1-1]

16 minutes ago, Hunter Joker said:

Sorry mate but the fact that the Corsair is Your favorite MSFS and P3D module is pointless here.
Also You compare a civilian sym where You have nothing to do apart flight from A to B  without combat, and so every map and every assett theorically will be good because of it with a combat sym where You fly for fighting enemy that must (theorically...) of same era and within a contestual theater? Come on...
Finally please, try to remain polite, accusing people to be " a bit asinine" only because have an opinion different from Your is not correct and also didn't make Your opinion more valuable.
Thx.

 

What is incorrect with my asinine statement? Only one other 3rd party has come out explicitly stating they are going to release assets alongside of an aircraft, and that was Heatblur with the F-14 and they never had to nor need to. They have no obligation to you to release anything, much less than what they are offering and you are basically saying "gimme this gimme that too or Im not buying it". If you're going to ask for all that, why not just come out and ask for all the variations of the F4U as well? Again, asinine. $50 dollar module, 8 years for 3 people to develop...and you want the whole pacific theater and everything in it? Come on.

Asinine = stupid or foolish;  Accurate description.

Edited May 10 by Hammer1-1

[Hunter Joker]

What is incorrect with my asinine statement? Only one other 3rd party has come out explicitly stating they are going to release assets alongside of an aircraft, and that was Heatblur with the F-14 and they never had to nor need to. They have no obligation to you to release anything, much less than what they are offering and you are basically saying "gimme this gimme that too or Im not buying it". If you're going to ask for all that, why not just come out and ask for all the variations of the F4U as well? Again, asinine. $50 dollar module, 8 years for 3 people to develop...and you want the whole pacific theater and everything in it? Come on.
Asinine = stupid or foolish;  Accurate description.

The only thing that was correct on Your statement is the definition of asinine, that match You perfectly. Read all 3 or more time before writing things that are not pertinent with the discussion or that You referring to "people or You said" when nobody ever said nothing similar. Regrettably forum give words to people than normally spoke only to make air circulating in their mouth. Cause talking with a "rock" is meaningless to me I will stop here to reply to You, whichever thing you You will write. So spare Your time. Bye.


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[BIGNEWY]

folks  please stick to DCS here and treat each other with respect. 

thank you 

[Gunfreak]

4 hours ago, Hammer1-1 said:

why does it need assets? most people wont buy it until it comes with a carrier, but I think thats a bit asinine. not having a european theater didnt stop people from buying the mustang or spitfire, and ED sold an assets pack to assist in sales with other terrains as they came out to support the era of aircraft. you're buying the aircraft itself, and thats all you really should expect. if the corsair wasnt such a big deal without japanese fighters and torpedo bombers to play against, then miltechs F4U wouldnt have sold at all. thats one of my favorite MSFS and P3D modules of all time.

Well the Corsair already comes with a carrier. And assets that has nothing to do with ED.

[Hunter Joker]

folks  please stick to DCS here and treat each other with respect. 
thank you 

Totally agree, so speak with... Hammer 1-1 please

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[Silver_Dragon]

1 hour ago, Gunfreak said:

Well the Corsair already comes with a carrier. And assets that has nothing to do with ED.

And some more stuff...

• Weapons:
  • SWOD Mark 9 Model 1 (ASM-N-2 Bat after war)
  • Tiny Tim Rockets (on progress)

M3 PTO Assets pack (M3 Assets pack team):

• Aircrafts: 
  • Some IJN/IJA aircraft's
• Ships:
  • USS Yorktown (CV-10) "Long-hull" Essex (Ticonderoga class)
  • Commencement Bay CVE (planned?) (rummors by a -Ruddel- pic, no confirmed)
  • Other IJN ships
• Vehicles:
  • 8 cm/40 3rd Year Type naval gun.
  • Type 2 Ka-Mi amphibious tank.
  • Type 88 75 mm AA gun.
  • Type 89 I-Go medium tank
  • Type 94 Truck.
  • Type 95 Ha-Go light tank.
  • Type 96 25 mm AT/AA Gun.
  • Type 97 Chi-Ha medium tank.

And ED has making your propper stuff with the F6F Hellcat

• Map
  • Marianas WW2 (free)
• PTO Assets pack (ED Assets pack team):
  • Air Units
    • AM6 Zero
    • Others UsN/Marines/IJN/IJN aircrafts
  • Naval Units
    • USS Enterprise CV-6 Yorktown class carrier
    • Mogami CVL/CA
    • Others IJN/UsN Ships
  • Infantry units
    • Some IJA/US infatry?

[Hammer1-1]

11 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

Well the Corsair already comes with a carrier. And assets that has nothing to do with ED.

Well, the corsair is all I am expecting and thats all I want. Why would anyone want and expect more than that? Again, asinine.

[Hammer1-1]

11 hours ago, Hunter Joker said:

Totally agree, so speak with... Hammer 1-1 please

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Dude...get off that soapbox please. The context I used is it is foolish to expect or demand more than the aircraft itself.  You dont like the context, fine. Nice little ignore button that helps assist in that. Dont let me stop you from using it. Be happy with what you get, be glad you got it in the first place, and if you get more than you expect, be ecstatic and enthusiastic with what bonus stuff you got. Being demanding about getting more than what you pay for is...how to put this...incredibly rude? Childish even? Let it go.

Edited May 10 by Hammer1-1

[Gunfreak]

33 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said:

Well, the corsair is all I am expecting and thats all I want. Why would anyone want and expect more than that? Again, asinine.

I have no idea what you're on about.

The Corsair comes with a carrier and ground and air AI assets. That's been clear for years and based on Mag3s "communication" those assets have been ready for years. And we're waiting for something to be finished on the Corsair, exactly what is impossible to know. It's been 8 months since last communication from mag3. 

[Hammer1-1]

1 hour ago, Gunfreak said:

I have no idea what you're on about.

The Corsair comes with a carrier and ground and air AI assets. That's been clear for years and based on Mag3s "communication" those assets have been ready for years. And we're waiting for something to be finished on the Corsair, exactly what is impossible to know. It's been 8 months since last communication from mag3. 

What I am on about (and why is this confusing to you?) is that all you should expect is "the aircraft". Again, if they promise ANYTHING more, be happy with that, will you? Can you do that, please?? If they have anything to report, or wish to say something, they will. No need getting worked up over anything you cant control.

How many times do I have to suggest to just....chill out?

Edited May 10 by Hammer1-1

[Art-J]

Mustang didn't need any period assets in 2012 to sell well, Sabre didn't need any either in 2015'ish to sell well. We don't really know how "ready" that carrier and Japanese tanks are (after all, Corsair external model was already "ready" once before they decided to start redoing it again).

If the plane doesn't come with something extra at the same date, I'm buying it anyway 'cause it's just going to be the best simulated Corsair to date. DCS stopped being flight sim for combat-enthusiasts-only years ago. If it does, good, the more the better.

[Hammer1-1]

19 hours ago, Art-J said:

Mustang didn't need any period assets in 2012 to sell well, Sabre didn't need any either in 2015'ish to sell well. We don't really know how "ready" that carrier and Japanese tanks are (after all, Corsair external model was already "ready" once before they decided to start redoing it again).

If the plane doesn't come with something extra at the same date, I'm buying it anyway 'cause it's just going to be the best simulated Corsair to date. DCS stopped being flight sim for combat-enthusiasts-only years ago. If it does, good, the more the better.

and people wonder why its taken 8 years so far...

[ESA_maligno]

Well, excuse my English.

I agree with the users who are fans of an airplane and do not need anything more than the module. as happened with the Mustang or the K4. If you like a good simulation in a "better" environment than MFS2020 where you can enjoy better physics, engine management, etc...; you don't need more. In fact, one of the best piston modules, for me, is the Yak52 and it doesn't need many more assets...

Then, those who think that they only need the F4U to enjoy the airplane have every right to do so, those who need other accessories also have every right to do so; but they will be very angry today for not being able to do skip bombing, for not having simulated damage to the hulls due to detonations under the sea, etc...

 

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En la lengua de Cervantes:

Yo estoy de acuerdo con los usuarios que son fanáticos de un avión y no necesitan nada más que el módulo; como ocurrió con el Mustang o el K4. Si te gusta una buena simulación en un entorno "mejor" que MFS2020 donde disfrutar de mejores físicas, gestión de motores, etc...; no necesitas más. De hecho, uno de los mejores módulos; para mi, de pistón es el Yak52 y no necesita muchos más accesorios.

Luego, quienes opinan que solo necesitan el F4U para disfrutar del avión tienen todo el derecho a hacerlo y expresarlo; quienes necesitan de otros accesorios, también tienen todo el derecho a hacerlo y expresarlo; pero estarán muy enfadados a día de hoy por no poder hacer "skip bombing (pérfida expresión)", por no tener simulados los daños  en los cascos por detonaciones debajo del mar en la obra viva, etc... vamos un tremendo disgusto de consideraciones abismales cual intento de sacar leche de una alcuza que hará que sus noches de vuelo tornen en un deambular por el rellano de la gehena.

Edited May 13 by ESA_maligno

[ESA_maligno]

It would be a different thing if a developer offered a "Coral Sea" type map..., all of us who have gray hair know that map..., it was just the "Spanish Lake (history lesson)". Or a map like Midway "Isla de Patrocinio" ("The Spanish Lake with a few atolls").

In that case it would be laughable if it didn't come with some good accessories, more than anything because 60 euros for them would be like robbing a blind man (without a guide, understand me).

 

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En la lengua de Garcilaso:

 

Cosa diferente sería si un desarrollador ofertara un mapa tipo "Mar de Coral"...., todos los que vestimos canas conocemos ese mapa....., solo era el "Lago español (lección de historia)". O un mapa como el de La Isla de Patrocinio ("El Lago español con unos pocos atolones"), en ese caso sería irrisorio que no viniera con unos buenos complementos, más que nada porque 60 euros por ellos sería como robarle a un ciego (sin lazarillo, entiéndanme ustedes). 

 

 

Edited May 13 by ESA_maligno

[Art-J]

I think when WWII version of Marianas comes, it will serve as a sufficient generic stand-in for other PTO regions, like SA and Kola are already used as "faux-Norway" amongst Mosquito fans.

We also know some PTO assets ARE being worketd on after all by ED and M3. I just fail to see any sense in the notion that the airplane itself has to "wait" for completion of these to be an attractive product. Guys like me who want strictly the Corsair even if there's nothing to shoot at will buy it first no matter what. Guys who want more complete experience with map and assets will wait and buy it later. In the end, developers revenue will be the same, only coming at a different rate and time.

Edited May 13 by Art-J

[Silver_Dragon]

1 hour ago, ESA_maligno said:

Well, excuse my English.

I agree with the users who are fans of an airplane and do not need anything more than the module. as happened with the Mustang or the K4. If you like a good simulation in a "better" environment than MFS2020 where you can enjoy better physics, engine management, etc...; you don't need more. In fact, one of the best piston modules, for me, is the Yak52 and it doesn't need many more assets...

Then, those who think that they only need the F4U to enjoy the airplane have every right to do so, those who need other accessories also have every right to do so; but they will be very angry today for not being able to do skip bombing, for not having simulated damage to the hulls due to detonations under the sea, etc...

ED has buildings own assets (integrated on WW2 assets packs), and M3 your assets, coming with the F4U.... and on a good quality...

About Skip bombing, that is not only a feature to WW2, has need implement by ED on the DCS core to all bombs, as incendiary effects to Napalp, etc.... and the "damage on hulls by detonations", the same situations, and none ship has actualy a "advanced ship damage model" to make them, as flooding, fire, etc as the DCS vehicles (from the LOMAC times). That has a very diferent beast, that will take a very long time, and not a copy paste bold effect from a very old "other simulator".

On 5/11/2024 at 7:37 AM, Art-J said:

Mustang didn't need any period assets in 2012 to sell well, Sabre didn't need any either in 2015'ish to sell well. We don't really know how "ready" that carrier and Japanese tanks are (after all, Corsair external model was already "ready" once before they decided to start redoing it again).

If the plane doesn't come with something extra at the same date, I'm buying it anyway 'cause it's just going to be the best simulated Corsair to date. DCS stopped being flight sim for combat-enthusiasts-only years ago. If it does, good, the more the better.

You see them the IJA tanks and the Essex carrier working on "2024 and beyond" video.... that has working into DCS World develop version... as the CV-6 and the AM6 by ED... on movement and aircrafts deploy on the flat top.

Edited May 13 by Silver_Dragon

[NineLine]

On 5/8/2024 at 7:34 AM, ThorBrasil said:

 

I believe that the F-4U is already ready, but it should not be launched until the Second World War Marianas map is finalized with the units that will come. Everything must be released at practically the same time. Of course this is what I believe.

No, the F-4U will be released when it's ready, it won't wait for any other products. Just be patient and wait for updates from Mag3. 

[ESA_maligno]

hace 1 hora, Silver_Dragon dijo:

ED has buildings own assets (integrated on WW2 assets packs), and M3 your assets, coming with the F4U.... and on a good quality...

About Skip bombing, that is not only a feature to WW2, has need implement by ED on the DCS core to all bombs, as incendiary effects to Napalp, etc.... and the "damage on hulls by detonations", the same situations, and none ship has actualy a "advanced ship damage model" to make them, as flooding, fire, etc as the DCS vehicles (from the LOMAC times). That has a very diferent beast, that will take a very long time, and not a copy paste bold effect from a very old "other simulator".

You see them the IJA tanks and the Essex carrier working on "2024 and beyond" video.... that has working into DCS World develop version... as the CV-6 and the AM6 by ED... on movement and aircrafts deploy on the flat top.

 

Well, there you have it...; the important thing for some of us is the plane because everything else at the moment "is neither there nor is expected"
 

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Pues ya ves; Silver; lo importante para muchos de nosotros es tener el avión bien simulado porque ED nunca ha puesto mucho interés en desarrollar objetos…; ni copiando ni pegando como dices de otros viejos simuladores….; que tiene guasa la cosa 

[Silver_Dragon]

3 minutes ago, ESA_maligno said:

Well, there you have it...; the important thing for some of us is the plane because everything else at the moment "is neither there nor is expected"
 

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Pues ya ves; Silver; lo importante para muchos de nosotros es tener el avión bien simulado porque ED nunca ha puesto mucho interés en desarrollar objetos…; ni copiando ni pegando como dices de otros viejos simuladores….; que tiene guasa la cosa 

Perdona, pero eso es mas falso como un duro de madera... que algunos quieran las cosas rapido y mal, no significa que no se molesten en hacerlo (la han ido demostrando con el tiempo). Lo que pasa es que algunos están empecinados que si no es "ahora y ya" y clonando de otros, no sirve...

Un efecto en una bomba que rebota en el agua, no te la hace un creador de un modulo, o el becario. Necesitas un ingeniero... y mirar que fisicas tiene que ver con esto para que sea real. Y sobre el Napalm y otros, no es solo poner un "bonito" efecto 3D (que necesitas un tipo especializado en FumeFx), sino que tambien has que simular que el efecto sea real por otro ingeniero.... como el "donde estan mi efecto de metralla y demas"....

Sobre objetos.... me gustaría ver la calidad de DCS World en esos que sacan como churros cosas y despues la calidad es MUY discutible... y recordemos que ED, está continuamente actualizando y creando objetos 3D, incluso para WW2. En cada parche mayor, tienes actualizaciones y alguno nuevo.

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Sorry, but that is as false as a piece of wood... that some want things quickly and badly, does not mean that they do not bother to do it (they have proven it over time). What happens is that some are stubborn that if it is not "now and now" and cloning from others, that is of no use...

An effect on a bomb that bounces in water is not made by the creator of a module, or by the intern. You need an engineer... and look at what physics has to do with this to make it real. And about Napalm and others, it is not only about putting a "nice" 3D effect (which you need a guy specialized in FumeFx), but you also have to simulate that the effect is real by another engineer... like the "where are they?" my shrapnel effect and so on"....

Regarding objects... I would like to see the quality of DCS World in those that make things like hotcakes and then the quality is VERY debatable... and let's remember that ED is continually updating and creating 3D objects, even for WW2. In each major patch, you have updates and some new ones.

[ESA_maligno]

¿Que es más falso que un duro de madera?, ¿qué haya gente que prefiera el módulo a los complementos?. ED siempre ha dado prioridad a la creación de módulos el reste va detrás y eso es un hecho por mucha rasgadura de vestidura y adalid de causas EDicticas…

Lo vuelvo a repetir; otra cosa sería vender un mapa con dos atolones y miles de millas marinas de la Segunda Guerra mundial donde no tengas ni una unidad naval japonesa….; ahí o desarrollas complementos (transportes, destructores, submarinos, hidroaviones, acorazados, portaviones, portaviones ligeros, etc)

Y si sacas esos complementos los debes sacar adecuadamente. 
Puedes escudarte en comparaciones, requisitos, etc…; pero la realidad es la que es y ante los hechos…; las palabras (escritas en este caso) no son sino un canto al sofismo 

 

Dicho esto; dejad tranquilos a los que ya están convencidos de que la calidad está en el módulo y no en los complementos y mucho menos escudarse en esos giros para realizar velados ataques a sus ideas

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En la lengua de la pérfida…

 

What is more false than a hardwood? Are there people who prefer the module to accessories? ED has always given priority to the creation of modules the rest goes behind and that is a fact for a lot of tearing of clothing and adalid of EDictic causes...

I repeat it again; another thing would be to sell a map with two atolls and thousands of nautical miles of the Second World War where you do not have a single Japanese naval unit....; there or you develop accessories (transports, destroyers, submarines, seaplanes, battleships, aircraft carriers, light aircraft carriers, etc.)

And if you take out those accessories, you must take them out properly.

You can hide in comparisons, requirements, etc...; but reality is what it is and before the facts; the words (written in this case) are but a song to sophicism

That said; leave alone those who are already convinced that the quality is in the module and not in the accessories and much less hide in those turns to make veiled attacks on their ideas

 

 

Edited May 13 by ESA_maligno

[Hayrake YE-ZB]

Looks like the recent solar storm stirred up the Corsair drama again!