Auto Hover and auto collecting not working for me

[Simon1279]

Hi everybody, whenever i press RCtrl + Enter i can see the "red square" showing trim, throttle exc. but if i try to press Q key and C key nothing happens to the chopper and there's nothing written on the red square, but if i turn on the slave i can see the word slave in white color on the red square, meaning that the slave mode is activated, what's wrong here ?

[Zarma]

Same problem

[flying rabbit]

Maybe your are not in the limits when you engage the autopilot. You have to be in hover to engage the hovermode. Just like the ka50.

[Derbysieger]

Gyro is on?

[bart86pl]

Remember to be under this conditions:

• Ground speed lower than 18km/h.

• Roll and pitch lower than 30°.

• Vertical speed lower than 60m/minute.

I`v noticed that the "window" when you can activate the AH mode is very tiny, map AH button to your stick and press is multiple times when trying to steady the Gazelle.

[Zarma]

OK can turn auto hover but slave has troubles

[Simon1279]

thank you everyone, yes Gyro is on, GS lower than 18 Km/h, roll and pitch less than 30°, Vertical speed lower than 60m/m and every button as it is on the chopper stick mapped in the same way on my HOTAS

 

Ok now works, wow really difficult

Edited April 30, 2016 by Simon1279

[bart86pl]

After few hours with the Gazelle I really feel the requirements for AH should be little less strict. I can fly it and land with no issues but keeping it steady (yaw especially) is really hard.

[HawkDCS]

Ya a little more leeway with this would be nice. I have had it in a perfect stable hover and it just refuses to turn on sometimes. Seems like it is buggy.

[xxJohnxx]

Ya a little more leeway with this would be nice. I have had it in a perfect stable hover and it just refuses to turn on sometimes. Seems like it is buggy.

 

Did you make sure you have the Gyro system on? If not, it seems that you can't enable the auto hover without any apparent reason.

[wolle]

Remember to be under this conditions:

• Ground speed lower than 18km/h.

• Roll and pitch lower than 30°.

• Vertical speed lower than 60m/minute.

I`v noticed that the "window" when you can activate the AH mode is very tiny, map AH button to your stick and press is multiple times when trying to steady the Gazelle.

 

Is there any indication in the cockpit when the auto-hover mode is on? The 18km/h ground speed condition is difficult to achieve, and it is often not clear to me whether the auto-hover mode has caught (I know there is the RALT ENTER "cheat" but I would prefer not to use it). Also, am I right that there is no cockpit indication that could allow one to judge whether the airspeed is less than 18km/h (there is no Doppler radar like in the Mi-8). :helpsmilie:

[xxJohnxx]

Is there any indication in the cockpit when the auto-hover mode is on? The 18km/h ground speed condition is difficult to achieve, and it is often not clear to me whether the auto-hover mode has caught (I know there is the RALT ENTER "cheat" but I would prefer not to use it).

 

I usually wiggle the rudder a bit. If it is not responding, autohover is active.

 

Also, am I right that there is no cockpit indication that could allow one to judge whether the airspeed is less than 18km/h (there is no Doppler radar like in the Mi-8). :helpsmilie:

 

Of course the Gazelle has a doppler radar. ;)

If you put the navigation system mode selector to "V.S. DER." the display will display ground speed in km/h and ground track.

[wolle]

Hi John,

 

Many thanks for your help. The Doppler makes going into a hover much easier!

[Mt5_Roie]

That is a great trick! I'll have to remember that. I usually fly with the control indicator on so I can see the message on there. But with the oculus rift there is no control indicator so would be nice to confirm it's on.

 

I usually wiggle the rudder a bit. If it is not responding, autohover is active.

[MemphisBelle]

I usually wiggle the rudder a bit. If it is not responding, autohover is active.

 

 

 

Of course the Gazelle has a doppler radar. ;)

If you put the navigation system mode selector to "V.S. DER." the display will display ground speed in km/h and ground track.

 

I know thats an old thread....but holy cow how much is this little advice helpful...awesome...+1000 :)

 

so easy now to engage auto hover.

[LazyBoot]

I know thats an old thread....but holy cow how much is this little advice helpful...awesome...+1000 :)

 

so easy now to engage auto hover.

 

Here's an even easier way, set the selector switch highlighted below to "dop" and use the bars on the artificial horizon.

[Rogue Trooper]

After few hours with the Gazelle I really feel the requirements for AH should be little less strict. I can fly it and land with no issues but keeping it steady (yaw especially) is really hard.

 

 

 

The auto hover tolerances are just fine.

 

 

Once you get experience, you will bring that chopper in fast and hard behind tight and restricted cover and instantaneously engage the auto hover.

[PhilTheBeat]

After two days trying to use the "auto hover" on my own mission ....I can´t make it !!

 

But after trying to find why....Let´s go back to basic "Helicopters doesn´t take off with windy condition" ;)

[FragBum]

Wind really isn't a problem, it really is a case of practise. If your using a joytstick with center detent this can make establishing a stable hover a little more tricky then it need be however again practise is key. And the window of setting autohover is fairly broad, really.

 

As a side note I was flying Gazelle with a budy yesterday who was using just a Logitech 3DPro for cyclic, collective and anti-torque and he had no issues putting the Gazelle in to autohover so as frustrating as it may seem it really is a case of practice. :thumbup:

 

My tip, practise hovering in the minigun version, as it has a better almost unrestricted view of the "world" which makes it easier to judge drift whilst hovering.

 

Probably one of the first hovering skills people develop is to pick a reference point some 10 to 15 mtrs (30 to 45ft) out and hover trying to use that reference point to judge drift whilst hovering. Nice and it helps learning to hover initially.

 

Practice hovering and visually selecting different reference points trees, rocks, parts of buildings etc whilst maintaining a stable hover. In other words train your brain to adapt to different reference points and not fixate on any of them and freely shift between them.

 

After a some practise the only "reference" you'll need is the airframe and your "casual" view of the outside world.

 

Then practise hovering looking down at your skids towards the ground or better still looking down at your skids towards the ground hovering over the corner of a building. :P

Your training your brain to normalise your position or attitude relative to the world, you do it all the time when you walk or ride a bike or drive a car, why should flying a helicopter be any different?

 

At some stage if your using a joystick you'll realise just how horrid that center detent and springs are for choppers. :music_whistling:

[Count von Altibar]

It really is important to use the dop on the Artificial Horizon (AH) otherwise it can be very difficult and time consuming to get into auto hover imho.

[PhilTheBeat]

Thanks for your advises

[CHPL]

There is another problem too.

When using a slider or axis to adjust the power leaver in many cases it did not reach 100% FULL OPEN even when it looks like. But there is no tolerance in the code and AP will only function at 100 %.

 

Personal I had to remove the power lever to get that d.. thing working.

[slicker55]

There is another problem too.

When using a slider or axis to adjust the power leaver in many cases it did not reach 100% FULL OPEN even when it looks like. But there is no tolerance in the code and AP will only function at 100 %.Personal I had to remove the power lever to get that d.. thing working.

 

Interesting...

 

I am having a bit of a hard time learning how to engage auto-hover. I have a few levers etc mapped to my Warthog HOTAS, Keyboard etc

 

When you say 'power lever', which lever are you referring to please?

[Holton181]

Interesting...

 

 

 

I am having a bit of a hard time learning how to engage auto-hover. I have a few levers etc mapped to my Warthog HOTAS, Keyboard etc

 

 

 

When you say 'power lever', which lever are you referring to please?

I believe he meant the throttle, the shorter handle on the roof.

[slicker55]

@Holton181

Thanks … I thought so, but just wanted to check :)