The "new" P-51D model. What can we expect?

[Solty]

Hello, I wanted to make a thread about the model that was announced some while ago by Racoon. When I've first heard about it, I've got excited.

 

What can we expect from the new P-51D update?

 

1. Will it completely swap the current D30 model, or will it be an additional switch in the mission editor? (The current model would fit into the Pacific theatre that LN is developing quite nicely. Also there has been quite a lot work put into the tail warning radar simulation.)

2. What model will that be? I myself have proposed the D20 or D25 as they require the least amount of work (I also feel that anything earlier would not correspond with the German planes we have in the game)

3. Will the new model come with the correctly modeled G-Suit and uniform for the pilot from the period?

4. What engine power will the airplane have?

5. Will the model bring new and improved Damage Model into the game?

6. What is the priority. Is it going to be created after all other airplanes from WW2 are in the game?

 

I am excited for the prospect of the new P-51D model.:pilotfly:

[Reflected]

Never heard of this, can you please quote what Racoon said?

 

I'd love to have those things fixed, but most of all, I'd love the DCS .50 cals to do proper damage. With the current model it's pretty frustrating to fly my 2 favorite modules: the Mustang and the Sabre.

[Solty]

Here you go:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2725334&postcount=12

Current P-51D was planned long before the Normandy map came to scene. So we have late war Pacific variant in the DCS now.

I'm very appreciated for such great research. We'll update our Mustang for War in Europe in near future.

[Racoon]

Yes. We have a plan to make special version of the Mustang for Europe 44-45. It’s production will start after Spitfire will be complete.

Thanks to remind me about new pilot's suit.

 

New damage model is in production now. When the system itself will be ready we'll start to make new component models for every plane (WWII at least).

[Captain Orso]

8<

 

(The current model would fit into the Pacific theatre that LN is developing quite nicely.

 

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I am excited for the prospect of the new P-51D model.:pilotfly:

Wh-wh-wh-where is this magical land, of which you speak?

[Zilch]

You guys are rad! Flying the P-51 is some of the most fun I've ever had in gaming. Glad to hear there's more on the way.

[Zimmerdylan]

My bank card is already warmed up and ready to go for the Spitfire. Can't wait!!! But will the new variant of the Mustang be an update or will it be released as it's own module??

[Pandacat]

How different do they look between European D and Late war Pacific D? Anyone got a pic to share?

[Merlin-27]

Late war Pacific looks a lot like the current DCS P-51.

 

 

Post invasion Europe P-51...

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 18, 2016 by Merlin-27

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Well, actually second picture features a P-51D-5, not necessarily the variant ED will aim for as she's a bit early one even without the later tail fin.

 

S!

[Solty]

Well, actually second picture features a P-51D-5, not necessarily the variant ED will aim for as she's a bit early one even without the later tail fin.

 

S!

Yep I agree, that is very early model that was quickly upgraded and applied the tail fin. I presume they would either go for D20 or D25. Either way we would loose some of the radio equipment and it's position would be changed, and the tail warning radar. There are minor differences between the two. Otherwise it will be the same airplane.

 

Here is the P-51D history: http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/variants/p51d

 

Here is development of the P-51D in a nutshell:

Edited July 18, 2016 by Solty

[NineLine]

I still feel bad for that poor forgotten P-51B model that was floating around for some time... need to show it some love :)

[saburo_cz]

How different do they look between European D and Late war Pacific D? Anyone got a pic to share?

 

only instaled devices was that difference

Uncle Sam and one different type of IFF

 

Mustangs used in ETO had only one antenna mast on top of fuselage and they were without control box in cockpit for uncle sam and they were without antenna mast under fuselage.

PTO Mustangs (but only from IwoJima) had newest IFF with different control box from type used in ETO. This control box is in DCS Mustang cockpit, but IFF box itself is not, it was behind radio, Iwo Muststangs with that IFF (all) had battery moved in to engine compartment, DCS Mustang has battery behind radio. With battery movement, Mustang got small air intake on left side engine cover, in front of left wing, DCS Mustang has it.

PTO Mustangs did not undergo modification for increased manifold pressure and this is the main problem...

 

Othewise late Mustangs (D-20, -25 and -30) in ETO and PTO were the same.

[Vitormouraa]

Does anyone know the block/suite/version of our P-51D? is it the D30?

[SkateZilla]

I still feel bad for that poor forgotten P-51B model that was floating around for some time... need to show it some love :)

 

I'd love to at least paint it, but the materials are not updated so textures wont work.

 

edit: I take that back the materials work, I just had to re-set some things in the liveries folder.

 

Might have to Dump the UVWs to fix some stuff, but for the most part do-able

Edited July 19, 2016 by SkateZilla

[Grimes]

I still feel bad for that poor forgotten P-51B model that was floating around for some time... need to show it some love :)

 

Its still in the Shapes folder along with a few other forgotten models. No textures though.

[SkateZilla]

Its still in the Shapes folder along with a few other forgotten models. No textures though.

 

See a few posts back :music_whistling:

[QJW]

I'd love to at least paint it, but the materials are not updated so textures wont work.

 

edit: I take that back the materials work, I just had to re-set some things in the liveries folder.

 

Might have to Dump the UVWs to fix some stuff, but for the most part do-able

 

OOOOOOOOHHHHH! Is that a C model Mustang I...C?

[Racoon]

DM topic is here now: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=170625

[GrapeJam]

PTO Mustangs did not undergo modification for increased manifold pressure and this is the main problem...

PTO P51Ds were allowed to raise MP to 75"hg with F33 115/145 octane fuel.

Edited July 19, 2016 by GrapeJam

[Merlin-27]

Well, actually second picture features a P-51D-5, not necessarily the variant ED will aim for as she's a bit early one even without the later tail fin.

 

S!

 

Good catch with the tail mod. I was focused on a Normandy D but I imagine we'd get something later...despite the contrast with the setting.

 

only instaled devices was that difference

Uncle Sam and one different type of IFF

 

Uncle Dog

Edited July 19, 2016 by Merlin-27

[Pandacat]

PTO P51Ds were allowed to raise MP to 75"hg with F33 115/145 octane fuel.

I like this post.

I am also a P-51 fan like many of you, but I don't feel as excited about this project. While I like the attention to details regarding different variants, I am a bit concerned about where this is going. How long is this new P51 model gonna take to make? How much would it be priced at? Would it be another 49.99? I can hardly imagine DCS would give it away free if this new model takes months to build. If that's the case, how do you think many existing p51 owners would feel about it? If it is 49.99, what are we really paying for?

1. New skin which is minutely different from the current one?

2. Different locations of IFF control boxes? Does this really make any different in flying characteristics of the plane? Do people really care?

3. Single antenna? Would this also change FM and handling characteristics of the plane?

4. New engine which could handle high octane fuel and providing higher MP? This is probably where the most meat is at. But, wait. Isn't late PTO mustang and late ETO mustang using the same engine? Isn't the power increase from 67" to 75" derived from the fuel rather than the engine itself? If you can model ETO mustang's V-1650-7 with 114/145 fuel, why can't you model PTO mustang's engine with the same fuel grade?

5. DM? Yes we do really need better DM. But, so you gonna give the new P51 the realistic DM while keeping the existing p51 with simplistic DM? Isn't DM the universal value that applies to all aircraft?

[saburo_cz]

Thanks Merlin, my mistake it is UncleDog, U - D in morse code.

 

PTO P51Ds were allowed to raise MP to 75"hg with F33 115/145 octane fuel.

 

this document is about possibility to use it and what would be necessary to do "in the event that AN- F -33 is aviable for P-51" (paragraph 9)

no evidence about use of it during last months in WWII

[Solty]

I like this post.

I am also a P-51 fan like many of you, but I don't feel as excited about this project. While I like the attention to details regarding different variants, I am a bit concerned about where this is going. How long is this new P51 model gonna take to make? How much would it be priced at? Would it be another 49.99? I can hardly imagine DCS would give it away free if this new model takes months to build. If that's the case, how do you think many existing p51 owners would feel about it? If it is 49.99, what are we really paying for?

1. New skin which is minutely different from the current one?

2. Different locations of IFF control boxes? Does this really make any different in flying characteristics of the plane? Do people really care?

3. Single antenna? Would this also change FM and handling characteristics of the plane?

4. New engine which could handle high octane fuel and providing higher MP? This is probably where the most meat is at. But, wait. Isn't late PTO mustang and late ETO mustang using the same engine? Isn't the power increase from 67" to 75" derived from the fuel rather than the engine itself? If you can model ETO mustang's V-1650-7 with 114/145 fuel, why can't you model PTO mustang's engine with the same fuel grade?

5. DM? Yes we do really need better DM. But, so you gonna give the new P51 the realistic DM while keeping the existing p51 with simplistic DM? Isn't DM the universal value that applies to all aircraft?

As I understand it, ED is trying to bring the current module of DCS: P-51D model to the Europe 44-45 standard to be in line with other airplanes that we have or will have in DCS World Europe 44 because the P-51D was created before Europe 1944 was concieved and now ED feels it needs an update.

[Ala13_ManOWar]

As I understand it, ED is trying to bring the current module of DCS: P-51D model to the Europe 44-45 standard to be in line with other airplanes that we have or will have in DCS World Europe 44 because the P-51D was created before Europe 1944 was concieved and now ED feels it needs an update.

Indeed P-51D module at first, back to 2012 IIRC, was just a technological demonstrator but finally such a good one that RRG and Luthier popped up with DCSWWII with the known outcome and ED taking over the task. As such a demonstrator it just resembled one of the current The Fighter Collection P-51Ds available as a reference, probably "Ferocious Frankie" IIRC but included all the late D model features and refinements. Anyhow,…

 

Does anyone know the block/suite/version of our P-51D? is it the D30?

…if P-51 Handbook hasn't changed lately, I think the exact D batch isn't stated anywhere, but after a fellow member thorough research here in the forums it was clear the variant matches an Iwo Jima P-51D-30 in 1945. That's why ED talks about "overhauling" the D model to better match a 1944 one.

 

S!