T-38

[pmsmc]

And now the the Magnificent F-5 is out, how about to extend the fuselage and make a T-38 trainer. ?:music_whistling:

[Aginor]

Not sure if you are joking or not, so my stance on this:

 

- too much work (too different) to be easy and quick to do for Belsimtek

- Many people don't want more trainers

- can't do much with it except training

 

So bottom line IMO: No thanks. They should spend their time doing another plane or heli instead.

[rrohde]

Yeah, trainers are plentiful - and Belsimtek really needs to get the Mi-24 'Hind' done asap. ;)

[SkateZilla]

I lol everytime someone requests a off variant and assumes it would be a quick n easy job because of similar external appearance..

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

The T-38 also used different powerplants. The T-38 holds more in common with the F-5A Freedom Fighter than it does with the F-5E Tiger II.

 

At a glance:

T-38 Talon is capable of a top speed of Mach 1.3 and a service ceiling of 50,000 feet MSL. It uses the GE J85-5A/5R.

 

The F-5A is capable of similar performance, with a max speed of Mach 1.3.

 

The F-5E features uprated J85-21As and tops out at Mach 1.6.

 

To top it off, there is the F-5B and F-5F. These serve as primary trainers for the F-5A and F-5E, respectively, but they can be pressed into service as ground attack aircraft.

[mattebubben]

I feel that if you want a two seater based of the F-5/T-38 design (from belsimtek atleast) the F-5F would be the way to go.

 

the F-5F is very similar to the F-5E (but is a two seat variant)

 

It has very similar Visual model and Performance and has mostly the same combat capabilities (it lacks one of the 20mm cannons of the E)

 

It would be far easier to make a F-5F from the F-5E base(though it would still require plenty of work) then it would be to make a T-38 from the F-5E

(and the F-5F would also be fully combat capable).

[Texac]

A fictional T-38 skin for the F-5E would be cool but a new aircraft that is almost similar than another aircraft that already exists in DCS would take to much time than making another aircraft that is much more different what we need in DCS.

 

Also just because it's similiar to the F-5E it does not have the same FM and it would take a lot of work and time to create for an aircraft that isn't really needed. Same goes for the exterior model but I'm not sure about that.

[agentdarnell]

We have enough trainers for now, so lets focus on something else please.

[Kev2go]

Yeah, trainers are plentiful - and Belsimtek really needs to get the Mi-24 'Hind' done asap. ;)

 

yes but this would be athe first "high" performance trainer. the first to have afterburners, and be capable of supersonic speeds :D

 

in all seriousness though a 2 seater combat f5 would be much cooler, IE the F5F tiger 2, but proably not going to happen due all the work needed to make it happen.

[pmsmc]

uau, Dont hit me anymore, lol

 

1) I was kidding, and not. I would like to see a T-38 because i like them.

I am a programmer and ocasional solidworks designer, so I have an idea of the work involved in creating a detailed 3d model of anything, specially with the detail and quality that Belsimtek does.

 

2) I agree on the amount of trainers, but asking for one more, doesn't make it happen.

 

3) I also would like for Belsimtek to make a F-16, or a G-91 for instance, instead of a T-38.

 

my two cents :)

[streakeagle]

While I wouldn't put the T-38 anywhere near the top of the list of what I would like to see done immediately, it is the one trainer I actually want. I love the Thunderbirds and it is the T-38A that they flew for a good chunk of my childhood. So, if a T-38A or even a T-38C popped up, I would be more than happy to support it despite having purchased all of the other trainers already released.

 

Now if some creative, talented person made a paint scheme for the F-5E-3 that matched the Thunderbirds' T-38A markings, perhaps with a (false canopy painted on?), I would be pretty happy: Thunderbird with more power and missiles/guns :)

[outlawal2]

Whatever happened to the promised Cobra?

[agentdarnell]

Whatever happened to the promised Cobra?

I amsure multicrew and crew ai needs to be worked out first. Hope the Jester ai helps a whole lot towards this.

[Sweep]

Oh well, all this anti-trainer stuff is what happens when you make a lot of low performance trainers...

 

T-38C would've been great!

 

Still would be, I guess, though F-5F is somewhat more logical from BST...Meh, I want my fancy gadgets that you'd get in the T-38C. Also its a Raptor killer...:megalol:

 

Whatever, I'll take an F-15D instead...At least there's a model floating around for that...Or there was about 3 years ago, IIRC.

 

On another note:

A fictional T-38 skin for the F-5E would be cool

 

+1 - Would love some fictional T-38-like skins.

[NeilWillis]

Maybe we should have another poll too? NOT!!!

 

After the first 300, these wishlist posts get to be a little tedious - like no one else ever thought of the T-38 before you mentioned it, and without your wisdom, we'd all still be in the dark ages.

 

Nice idea, well thought out, but frankly, not really adding anything to the whole DCS World debate.

 

However, if you wanted to start a dev team, and bring us the T-38, F-16, and G-91, have at it. We'll be behind you 100%, and I'd buy them all the day they are on sale in pre-release testing form!

[bkthunder]

Maybe we should have another poll too? NOT!!!

 

After the first 300, these wishlist posts get to be a little tedious - like no one else ever thought of the T-38 before you mentioned it, and without your wisdom, we'd all still be in the dark ages.

 

Nice idea, well thought out, but frankly, not really adding anything to the whole DCS World debate.

 

However, if you wanted to start a dev team, and bring us the T-38, F-16, and G-91, have at it. We'll be behind you 100%, and I'd buy them all the day they are on sale in pre-release testing form!

 

I love how this poor guy (pmsmc) is getting beaten to death by people who have no interest in his idea/thread/opinion/proposal. Wouldn't it be easier NOT to read / post in a thread that doesn't interest you?

I guess beating the newcomer is more fun :P

[Cibit]

Well don't be too hard on the poor fella I am quite sure he posted with the best intentions, I mean hell a jets a jet to my eyes they are all pointy loud and fast. Now if someone mentioned a helicopter trainer that would be a horse of a different colour;)

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

Oh well, all this anti-trainer stuff is what happens when you make a lot of low performance trainers...

 

T-38C would've been great!

 

You say that, but then T-38C? C'mon, go big or go home! F-5F. A trainer with full combat capabilities.

[codefox]

You say that, but then T-38C? C'mon, go big or go home! F-5F. A trainer with full combat capabilities.

I'd second this. F-5F would be truly great, we need some more multi-crew action to come.

[Cool Breeze]

I amsure multicrew and crew ai needs to be worked out first. Hope the Jester ai helps a whole lot towards this.

Jester AI is proprietary tech for Leatherneck. Unless they are willing to license it, not a bad idea in my opinion, Belsimtek are going to have to build their own.

[pmsmc]

Don´t worry about the "poor fella" :)

I am 50 years old now, so, I am quite capable of taking anyone's opinion, being constructive or not.

I just talked about the T-38, because, having served in Portuguese Air Force, as a mechanic, I worked with them. And with the G91. I left the air Force after the F16 appear in Portugal, but I love the "bugger" too. I fly BMS, and I would change to DCS in a heartbeat is we had here a "BMS Like" Viper.

 

Now, if all of you folks, want A, B or C and not D, fine. That's your opinion.

But if some "DEV" group would make a T-38, a F16 or a G91, a Alphajet, a Epsilon, a Alouette III, a EH101 Merlin, All of the Portuguese Fleet aircraft, I would sure be the the first in line to buy them. If not, fine too. I keep waiting....and hoping :)

 

Happy flying All

[Rogue Trooper]

Yup... MI-24 is well over due.

 

we got us a mig 28 made specifically for the top gun movie before the real world MI-24 hind attack chopper.... what's that all about?

 

MI-24 with no delay please!

[agentdarnell]

Jester AI is proprietary tech for Leatherneck. Unless they are willing to license it, not a bad idea in my opinion, Belsimtek are going to have to build their own.

I thought they were willing to, but could be wrong. I think any collaboration on this would be a good thing for the community. After all doesnt the technology get passed along to eagle dynamics as overall its theires and they allow other developers to do so on their platform?

[Cool Breeze]

I thought they were willing to, but could be wrong. I think any collaboration on this would be a good thing for the community. After all doesnt the technology get passed along to eagle dynamics as overall its theires and they allow other developers to do so on their platform?

 

 

I think it would be a question to ask Cobra. Reading about how complex the crew work load was for the Tomcat. It seems to me that building the "AI" would be another form of ASM. I would think it to be module specific, and an entire new system would be required for the next module. So, maybe Belsimtek is building their own and that is why we haven't seen the Hind or Cobra yet.

 

As far a what is transferred, if everything goes back to ED would Leatherneck bother to create their own radar for the Viggen. I think that software developed by each group would be their own, even if it is based on the Edge engine. ED keep tight hold on their intellectual property and are very good about who they let develop for them in my opinion. Third parties have to be able to keep software they develop in house for themselves other wise why have separate developers.

 

I'm positive there is a good amount of collaboration between the third parties. Is it a, "hey I'll swap you a radar mapping system for your engine model.", or just trading programing tips? As the Tootsie pop commercial says, "The world may never know...".

[ST0RM]

Repaint it white (or the Oreo greys), fly around making pew pew sounds and yell at yourself when you make mistakes.

 

Viola, a T-38