Need advice: Buy Nevada, M2000, or F5?

[Tread_Head57]

I've been away from DCS or a while due to work and having young kids. I anticipate in September, I'll be able to spend some time playing again and was looking to make an addition to my DCS stable. I'm only willing to buy one additional module for the foreseeable future, so what would you recommend: Nevada map, M2000, or F5? I only play single player and usually just for short game periods. Fire it up, fly a simple mission, done. Thanks.

[VTJS17_Fire]

If you only fly singleplayer and already have a few good modules, I would recommend Nevada. If you want an almost finished fixed-wing aircraft, you should take the F-5. It's alot fun to fly.

 

I fly the M-2000C very often, but there are still bugs and unfinished features. And with little time, I would imagine that this is very frustrating.

[Kayos]

M2000 no contest.

[QuiGon]

I have absolutetly no idea what I should recommend. All of the three modules fit your wishes.

 

I can only recommend my personal preference to you which would be th M2000.

[Darkbrotherhood7]

M2000

[Sporg]

I've been away from DCS or a while due to work and having young kids. I anticipate in September, I'll be able to spend some time playing again and was looking to make an addition to my DCS stable. I'm only willing to buy one additional module for the foreseeable future, so what would you recommend: Nevada map, M2000, or F5? I only play single player and usually just for short game periods. Fire it up, fly a simple mission, done. Thanks.

For short simple missions I would expect the M2000 to be the most entertaining. :)

 

Unless you like to fly around and explore terrains, then maybe NTTR would be fun, but IMO just for a shorter period.

 

The F-5 is fun too, but IMO is more somewhere between a trainer and a light fighter.

The M2000 has more capabilities.

[firmek]

Apart of official red flag campaigns for A10-C and F-15 is there actually much content for Nevada. After spending first hours on just flying and admiring the new graphics engine and the map itself is there a lot of community created missions or campaigns and multiplier servers?

 

EDIT:

Regarding F5 or Mirage: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=169820

Edited August 8, 2016 by firmek

[WinterH]

Depends on what you want, as can be seen from this thread, answers you'll get from people will vary wildly, as without a context people will just give answers that fit their own subjective taste.

 

I for example, would say F-5E no contest, yet, there others say Mirage no contest etc.

 

If you are bored with Caucasus and looking for a pretty looking new environment to fly in, I guess Nevada would be it. Personally I am not at all interested in maps, I am fine flying anything on any map, and can create scenarious involving anything on any map as well. For historical purists, it would not be the case but, even then Nevada wouldn't give them many plausible scenarios either.

 

If you like "pilot's planes" like I do, and are into older generation combat aircraft, F-5E is very nice, and is a very good rival / stable mate to also very nice MiG-21Bis. While it isn't without bugs (well it is just released barely like a month ago or so), it is remarkably complete for an early release. Historicaly, Belsimtek's weakest point used to be not providing full manuals in English language for complex aircraft they model, but they have improved on this (and other issues), with F-5's manuals being available even before it's release.

 

For Mirage, people are starkly divided between two camps : those who love it, and those that aren't fond of it at all. No offense to Razbam, but I am firmly in the second camp. If you mainly want newer, more agile, easier to fly aircraft, if you crave 4th gen, Mirage would indeed be a good option for you. Well... rather, it would be only option in that case. I got the Mirage day one, as an impulse buy, but also wanted to support Razbam's then firm looking stance against people wanting features that don't belong released variant. At first it seemed enjoyable to me, with great potential if some things fixed. Thing is, that some turned out to be a lot, and those features are in constant flux. It may have improved somewhat, I don't know, I just can't find the drive in me to return to it and fly it much. Finally, with rarity of, and difficulty to obtain reliable declassified documentation, as far as I know Mirage is one of the modules done with more pilot's anectodes and artistic licence than some others. This may or may not be an issue for a virtual pilot. Frankly, for most of the 4th gen aircraft, I guess this will have to be the case, and unless it is too blatantly made up, it should be OK for people wanting those aircraft. I don't think Mirage is that bad really. So depending on what you want, Mirage may be very, very good for you, or may be a totally no-go for you. Also, once it's CCRP and INS features are fully developed, I guess Mirage will be somewhat more interesting of two for ground attacks. To best of my knowledge though, it isn't quite there yet.

 

Finally, here's a more in depth look on F-5E for DCS :

http://www.twomoreweeks.net/index.php/belsimtek-strikes-back-dcs-f-5e/

 

written by yours truly... not to skew point of view or anything, it is the only one I've written something about. I'm sure you'll find similar coverage on Mirage too somewhere :).

 

 

Long in short; while for me answer is F-5 without contest, I can also see why it can also be either Nevada or Mirage for others. Unless you have specifically some feature or flavour you prefer to experience with your module, I guess this is the best overview I can provide :).

[tob.s]

i struggeled long time before i bought the f5 yesterday - basicly because i own every module and its just one "more from the same" plane when it comes to gameplay - latest plane modules were all small fighters / trainer with limited air to ground and nothing special that makes em stand out ( like all those details on the mig 21 or the gazelle with its quite unique flight behaviour / hot missiles ...)

 

well, but sometimes you just need some new toys, so despite my brain said "u dont need that one / wait for a sale" i still got it

 

first thing i noticed about the f5 is that its less manouverable than expected, especialy if just compare the looks the f5 looks such more manouverable and also more modern than that "rocket with some wings strapped to it" mig21. But in the air i would say the mig21 bleeds less speed and also has more thrust. Id might be my little expierence in the f5 though so it might behave much better if flown within its "best perfomance parameters" - still it seems like the mig21 dominates the f5 in online dogfights from what i read at the forum though.

 

Taken for itself its a great module though, detailed as youd expect it from belsimtek, fun to fly, quite easy to land ( compared to the 21) and almoust finished.

 

The M2000c is clearly more modern and high manouverable, also it has its INS and fly by wire as unique sytems ( not sure if the INS is fully operable yet ), still its inferiour to the f15 / su27/33 when it comes to weapons, radar and engines so theres no matching enemy for it atm.

 

Still if u fly more complex online missions it might be more usefull as its speed & manouverabilty give it a better chance against sams, so bomb trucking gbu12s for your jtag or taking out convoys with rockets /bombs is possible - i especialy like high drag bombing in the m2000 as its very precise once u figured it out.

The F5 just has manual sigths and u have to fly within the correct parameters to hit, so its less flexible and more prone to being attacked while bombing.

 

So it realy depends on what u wanna do with the plane

 

For Nevade it looks great, but i never thought it would make a great combat theater as its mostly a big city with desert around it. So its great for fsx like sightseeing , air to air and those red flag & training stuff, but the old map seems too offer more strategic scenarios of taking a town / airfield which just would feel odd in nevada ( russians invading las vegas ? )

 

btw one thing im realy disapointed with all new modules are the poorly created instant mission that come with them - air to air - theres one enemy plane, air to ground - feel happy if theres more than two trucks standing around. Its just loveless - I hope the devs would take an example on the hawks air to ground mission which offers four increasingly difficult target zones, or set up some triggers so a new foe will spawn once u downed that first fighter.

[gavagai]

I agree with the Mirage 2000C recommendation.

 

You can go very deep with it, but if you don't have a lot of time the learning curve is not steep for shooting down enemy aircraft and light air-to-ground work.

[ellutscho]

same situation here, dude! thinkin' of buying 2in1 nevada and f-5 if it's available within the next "two weeks". guess, if f-5 goes into beta (maybe with 1.5.5) there will be such offer.

[jcbak]

Nevada Map. All three are good modules......

[Tread_Head57]

Thanks for the recommendations. I was deliberately vague as I'm truly not sure what I want. I already have the MIG-21 and love it. I'm also definitely going to pick up the F-14 when released. Still on the fence whether I want a new map or new aircraft to learn.

 

From what I gathered above, M2000 and F5 are both nice, but F5 is more feature complete. Did they ever fix the missile problem with M2000 where it seemed to have way too much drag? I remember reading that a while ago.

[The Black Swan]

M2000C

It's a multirole fighter that is almost a French f-16

Plus you get the easier form of air refueling (IMO)

The F5 is more feature complete, but the m2000C has more features in its incomplete state than the f5 completed.

For me it's no contest if i had to choose one, M2000 all the way

Edited August 8, 2016 by The Black Swan

[feefifofum]

We'll have to agree to disagree about the AAR :lol:

I personally find the Mirage to be the most challenging to refuel in.

 

The F5 is feature complete mostly due to an absence of complex avionics..

You can already fly the Mirage like the F5, just leave your INS off and put two magics on the pylons. :)

In terms of usability I think the Mirage has a lot more to offer; while there are still some issues with the beta things have been moving forward at a steady pace with only the occasional step back.

 

The F-5 is just plain cool, and is a ton of fun to fly, but I think if it were down to one or the other I'd choose the Mirage.

 

With respect to AC vs. Nevada, I agree with many of the other opinions voiced here: Nevada is gorgeous to look at but rather impractical for realistic combat operations...it all depends on what aspect of the sim brings you the most enjoyment.

 

If you want combat missions, I'm firmly in the M2000C camp...if you just like flying around and want some new places to see, Nevada is definitely the way to go.

 

Bottom line, though, I don't think you'll have any regrets regardless of what you ultimately decide, all three are fantastic products. :)

[Pikey]

Sort of, as Razbam made their own version of the Super530 which does work better than those days.

M2000 has lots of features compared to F5 but isnt finished yet, very nearly feature complete but still very much being developed. It's likely got a broader learning curve for this reason. F5 is no less charming, depending on if you like PvP may change what type of combat you may find with either module.

 

NTTR is also still in development, we should add, as its been said there will be more airfields and detail to be added which will extend its functionality online for multiplayer servers. NTTR is not really well served for multiplayer because of the runway locations and geographical dispersion - you really need Tonopah to make a scenario that works for anything not in the realistic training scenario bucket of mission types. I see a lot fo change here in the future.

Thanks for the recommendations. I was deliberately vague as I'm truly not sure what I want. I already have the MIG-21 and love it. I'm also definitely going to pick up the F-14 when released. Still on the fence whether I want a new map or new aircraft to learn.

 

From what I gathered above, M2000 and F5 are both nice, but F5 is more feature complete. Did they ever fix the missile problem with M2000 where it seemed to have way too much drag? I remember reading that a while ago.

[Slick Fork]

I have the Mirage and love it, I have Nevada and enjoy the change of scenery. Don't have the F5 (but have been tempted) so I can't comment on that.

 

I'd say get a plane that does something different than what you have already. I'd think that you'd find the F5 to be too similar to the Mig-21, whereas the Mirage would add something new for you.

 

New scenery is nice but once you get past the initial ooh's and ah's Nevada doesn't really offer anything that caucasus doesn't. I don't regret buying it at all because I enjoy flying there, but if I had to choose between a map and a plane it would be the plane every time because of the change of experience it brought to the table. A new map simply adds different wallpaper to what you're doing anyway.

[Hellcat]

F-5 is my favorite aircraft so far .....like driving a sports car,,,,

[bernp]

I agree with Slick Fork, get the Mirage, for reasons stated. Pick up the F5 on a good sale.

 

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[TomCatMucDe]

Mirage is a great module from the most customer friendly dev. It's very capable and fun to fly and fight in it. F5 is also good but get it in sales if you can afford that.

[TomCatMucDe]

Thanks for the recommendations. I was deliberately vague as I'm truly not sure what I want. I already have the MIG-21 and love it. I'm also definitely going to pick up the F-14 when released. Still on the fence whether I want a new map or new aircraft to learn.

 

 

 

From what I gathered above, M2000 and F5 are both nice, but F5 is more feature complete. Did they ever fix the missile problem with M2000 where it seemed to have way too much drag? I remember reading that a while ago.

 

 

 

F5 is feature complete but has a few of them. The Mirage is still missing a couple features but as of today it has more features than the F5

[kaboki]

I you like to fly the aircraft get the F5, if you like your aircraft do the flying for you get the M2000. If your into multiplayer, don't get Nevada yet, just empty servers all the time..