Best trainer for wife?

[colyoap]

In addition to flight characteristics, you could also look at it from the perspective of what tasks the A-10C will be doing, since that tends to be directly connected to how you will be flying the aircraft (and what tasks you might need to get used to doing while flying). To that extent, the Su-25T has enough similarities to help her get used to the idea of dividing attention between being heads-up to fly and heads-down to watch the feed from the TGP, for example. Another useful option might simply be to get the A-10A or the larger FC3 package and have her start with the A-10A's simpler avionics and flight modelling before transitioning to the A-10C.

I had thought of starting her on a fc3 aircraft as i, myself, started in the SU-25T. I know it's less complicated but I think there is extra value in a clickable cockpit, more "hands on" than just keybinds with the added benefit of recognizing certain switches/buttons in new aircraft and understand what they do to a degree (battery, apu, generators,etc.

 

Am I correct in saying the general consensus is stick with the hawg? Do any of the trainer aircraft "feel" like flying a really fast cessna? Lol

[AMEDooley]

So I would agree that the Hawk is an excellent choice if you want to go that route. It'll give her some good easy training without a ton of complexity. Also the F-5 would be a good choice as well. But mind you the learning curve on navigation and landing is high at least for me it is. But it will make the A-10 feel like small potatoes with all of its bells and whistles lol.

[MisterVince]

If that's not the case I'd just write up a few modified checklists that cut out all of the "fun" switches. But seeing as the sale is going on I might as well get something! I was slightly leaning towards the l-39 but now I don't know if the metric guages would get confusing?

 

In the L-39, speed is indicated in knots and altitude is indicated in feets.

[some1]

So if training in western avionics is the focus, either go A-10C directly or try the Hawk, as it has already EFM and the capability to train weapons employment, although it is still in beta. :imho:

 

Oh yes, with those placeholder rockets, broken gunsight that doesn't reflect the real thing, broken sidewinder sound, broken bombs release logic, gun that keeps firing even when you release trigger (have they finally added a sound?), and a "couple" other bugs, Hawk is the perfect weapons trainer indeed. Shouldn't developers and their affiliates stay away from such threads anyway?

 

To the OP: unless you want to play shared cockpit, just buy her A-10C, first learn her to fly the thing, then set her up the basic weapons systems and off you go.

Edited April 16, 2017 by some1

[shagrat]

Oh yes, with those placeholder rockets, broken gunsight that doesn't reflect the real thing, broken sidewinder sound, broken bombs release logic, gun that keeps firing even when you release trigger (have they finally added a sound?), and a "couple" other bugs, Hawk is the perfect weapons trainer indeed.

 

Unless you want to play shared cockpit, just buy her A-10C, first learn her to fly the thing, then set her up the basic weapons systems and off you go.

As I said, A-10 is a good choice, unless you need dual Cockpit and western avionics.

BTW, yes the gunsight is fixed (actually it wasn't buggy, it was the placeholder pod. Since the Aden Gun pod is modeled it works).

Sidewinder rockets work since about a year, as well.

...and the Sidewinder tone is getting fixed.

 

May I ask, when you last flew the Hawk?

 

I have to look into the bombs a bit more, but I remember they already worked in 1.5. something, yet there is a bug with EDs Mk-82 visuals, but that is just visual.

 

In contrast to the C-101 in its Beta state, you CAN at least fly EFM, use some weapons, train BFM with Sidewinders and it is a nice and easy to handle plane.

 

Keep in mind, both Aviojet and VEAO work very hard on getting there modules perfect and out the door... :dunno:

[shagrat]

I had thought of starting her on a fc3 aircraft as i, myself, started in the SU-25T. I know it's less complicated but I think there is extra value in a clickable cockpit, more "hands on" than just keybinds with the added benefit of recognizing certain switches/buttons in new aircraft and understand what they do to a degree (battery, apu, generators,etc.

 

Am I correct in saying the general consensus is stick with the hawg? Do any of the trainer aircraft "feel" like flying a really fast cessna? Lol

If you can manage to make her feel "not overwhelmed" with the startup and detailed systems, yes.

 

IMHO, if you want to focus on flying, navigation, basic maneuvering, I would reconsider a trainer, as the back seat option in particular, just to see what's going on, is pretty valuable.

[Redglyph]

In the L-39, speed is indicated in knots and altitude is indicated in feets.

 

No, it's indicated in km/h and meters (flight manual, pg 131 and 133). Or was it different before?

[wilbur81]

Hey all im wondering if anyone has any input for which trainer I should get with the Easter discount. My wife has an interest in taking part in my obsession but she has virtually no flying experience other than what I've talked about during chores. Eventually she'll be on the hawg but I'd like to train her on flight fundamentals in a less complicated aircraft. I'm not necessarily looking for the "best" aircraft but rather the best to teach in that mimics the a-10's characteristics to a point. Thanks for any input!

 

How about the A-10A? This is a simulation on a PC. She can 'crash' the thing 100000 times without consequences and fly it however she wants. No need for a trainer in a video game. :-)

[MisterVince]

No, it's indicated in km/h and meters (flight manual, pg 131 and 133). Or was it different before?

 

I just flew it and it was indicated in knots and feets.

[Kenta]

My girlfriend started with the MiG-21. Didn't manage to land it though :D

[FOXFIRE TWOONE]

I have the Viggen and when I fine the need to quickly know speed or alt I bring up the

( info bar ), its IAS and Feet. If that's the same in other a/c it could help in your decision, because it's always on display if desired.

[Jumbik]

Do not bother with trainer if you cannot use the second seat capabilities, if you have only one PC then go for a combat aircraft.

 

It boils down to if you want to go down with Metric system or Imperial first.

 

I would start in air or on runway and would not bother with startup until she will get hang of the controls in air.

 

If you want to go western style go with either F-15, A-10A/C or F-5.

 

If you want to go the eastern style start with Su-25 or Mig-29.

 

Although DCS is very realistic, it is still a game which should be source of fun, let her try to find the fun in it by herself as much as possible. That is what i would try to achieve if I would be in the same situation. :)

[some1]

BTW, yes the gunsight is fixed (actually it wasn't buggy, it was the placeholder pod. Since the Aden Gun pod is modeled it works).

Sidewinder rockets work since about a year, as well.

...and the Sidewinder tone is getting fixed.

 

I have to look into the bombs a bit more, but I remember they already worked in 1.5. something, yet there is a bug with EDs Mk-82 visuals, but that is just visual.

 

May I ask, when you last flew the Hawk?

 

About a month or two ago. Tried to shoot something down with the help of AWACS but the UHF radio is still broken for half a year or more:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=178026

 

And the bombs:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=183277

 

And the sidewinder sounds:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=181879

 

And the currently fantasy gunsight:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=134650

 

We still have the ugly placeholder LAU launchers instead of the correct SNEB ones, gun keeps firing when you release the trigger, there's no option to hang single Mk-82 bombs, only TERs, gunsight is a decoration that doesn't show the correct aiming point.... I could go on...

 

Keep in mind, both Aviojet and VEAO work very hard on getting there modules perfect and out the door... :dunno:

 

At least that's what they've been saying for the last 2 years or so. Sure it must be true.

Edited April 16, 2017 by some1

[Redglyph]

I just flew it and it was indicated in knots and feets.

 

Perhaps they gave the choice of the cockpit then, that would make it easier. :)

[shagrat]

About a month or two ago. Tried to shoot something down with the help of AWACS but the UHF radio is still broken for half a year or more:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=178026

 

And the bombs:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=183277

 

And the sidewinder sounds:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=181879

 

And the currently fantasy gunsight:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=134650

 

We still have the ugly placeholder LAU launchers instead of the correct SNEB ones, gun keeps firing when you release the trigger, there's no option to hang single Mk-82 bombs, only TERs, gunsight is a decoration that doesn't show the correct aiming point.... I could go on...

 

 

 

At least that's what they've been saying for the last 2 years or so. Sure it must be true.

Yep, you are right... Wasn't aware latest ED patch messed so much up, again. :cry:

[DieHard]

 

sorry, couldn't help it

 

My wife is a 1st class knitter, she could easily teach it and make some side money. She has been bugging me for years to show me how. If I ever get bed bound like hospital for any length of time or nursing home---maybe. I'd rather play poker with the guys...

 

Sure could have fun with this thread topic.

[CoBlue]

Perhaps they gave the choice of the cockpit then, that would make it easier. :)

You can choose if you want knots & feet in the L-39, by changing between imperial/metric in the GUI options.

 

To OP, A-10C is a good & forgiving trainer & since you fly it, you're the perfect instructor ;).

[98abaile]

If she focuses only on the flight part first, the A-10C isn't complicated. When it doesn't need to be set-up for combat missions, then a lot of functionalities can be ignored. At the very beginning, the auto-start can be used, but the start-up checklist isn't overwhelming.

 

It is very easy to fly, take off and land, much more easy than most other aircraft (landing an F-5 or an Albatros requires more precision for instance). It has an easy-to-set autopilot that allows the pilot to take the time to inspect the cockpit or a manual without having to pause.

 

The TAD can also be a great help when one is not familiar with the surroundings, or with navigation. And it has redundant instruments for navigation, control and performance.

This and for exactly those reasons. The A-10c may look intimidating, but when you think about the way you are likely to learn to it, you always learn the flying and instruments first (ideally anyway). There's no point using a trainer first and then transitioning over to the A-10c to learn the weapons, since everything you learn in the trainer can be learned in the A-10c anyway, the trainer is redundant. The A-10c is easy and forgiving to fly and contains all the navigation and instruments you need, the only thing it doesn't have is radar.

[MikeMikeJuliet]

Although I enjoy the trainers I have to say that using them to get someone into DCS might not work as well as it sounds like. If she wants to get a simulation of any airforce's training program, then sure. Start in X-Plane with a cessna, transition to the Albatros in DCS after some 100 hours of quality teaching, briefings and debriefings... spend some 200h on the Albatros with the same mantra... and then goon to the A-10C...

 

Or just have fun and start with the A-10C... or A-model if need be. The long way is for those who want it specifically... since this is a sim and a game there is no inherent need to fly trainers first.

 

And gentlemen: can we cut the bashing of VEAO and AvioDev on this thread... we all know their aircraft are in a sad state. No point in bashing them on every bloody subforum.

 

 

So in short: if she wants specifically a trainer, then gowith the L-39. Don't worry if the gauges are different. The principles in how to use them is all the same, just laid out differently.

If not, go with the A-10C. Your task is to make the first steps easy. If needed, do some notes about every step that you are going to teach, so you can avoid getting too complicated early on.

 

There is always the Pause-button.

 

 

Regards:

MikeMikeJuliet

[Hawkeye60]

I was going to reply but I can not stop laughing............:megalol:

 

The thoughts going though my head would get me a divorce! :D

 

I better pass on this one............:doh:

[lemoen]

Easy. If it was one of your drinking buddies who wanted to learn, which plane would you choose? Choose the same one for your wife. The one that is most fun. I'm guessing she's at least as smart as the blokes you drink with.

[shagrat]

Although I enjoy the trainers I have to say that using them to get someone into DCS might not work as well as it sounds like. If she wants to get a simulation of any airforce's training program, then sure. Start in X-Plane with a cessna, transition to the Albatros in DCS after some 100 hours of quality teaching, briefings and debriefings... spend some 200h on the Albatros with the same mantra... and then goon to the A-10C...

 

Or just have fun and start with the A-10C... or A-model if need be. The long way is for those who want it specifically... since this is a sim and a game there is no inherent need to fly trainers first.

 

And gentlemen: can we cut the bashing of VEAO and AvioDev on this thread... we all know their aircraft are in a sad state. No point in bashing them on every bloody subforum.

 

 

So in short: if she wants specifically a trainer, then gowith the L-39. Don't worry if the gauges are different. The principles in how to use them is all the same, just laid out differently.

If not, go with the A-10C. Your task is to make the first steps easy. If needed, do some notes about every step that you are going to teach, so you can avoid getting too complicated early on.

 

There is always the Pause-button.

 

 

Regards:

MikeMikeJuliet

Agree on the A-10.

The point with the Trainers in DCS, is the MP dual seat. I found it interesting to join in the back seat and see first hand how much G's or bank angle. Easier to correct and teach if need be.

If that isn't a focus, the A-10 is definitely an easy and forgiving plane to fly.

[Ulfr85]

 

sorry, couldn't help it

LOL

 

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[Echo38]

Agree on the A-10.

The point with the Trainers in DCS, is the MP dual seat. I found it interesting to join in the back seat and see first hand how much G's or bank angle. Easier to correct and teach if need be.

 

I think he can just put his chair behind hers IRL for the same effect. : )

 

One technique I've found invaluable when teaching, in person, someone how to use a flight sim-game, is to put their hand on mine, or mine on theirs, as I move the joystick, so that they can feel how little I'm moving the stick during the maneuver. It weirds some people out, but I'm guessing one's wife won't mind.

Edited April 21, 2017 by Echo38

[shagrat]

I think he can just put his chair behind hers IRL for the same effect. : )

 

One technique I've found invaluable when teaching, in person, someone how to use a flight sim-game, is to put their hand on mine, or mine on theirs, as I move the joystick, so that they can feel how little I'm moving the stick during the maneuver. It weirds some people out, but I'm guessing one's wife won't mind.

*lol* you got a point there. I am too used to this "online" MP stuff.

Guess unless they have a long distance relationship, the chair is quite effective.

 

And definitely right about the "hands on".