Mango Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 Now you know how hard it is to truly explain how much better VR is than a flat screen! :thumbup: Now you know the power of the dark side!
Delta99 Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 Happy to see that you picked it up and enjoying it immensely. My Missions: Valley Patrol Mission :: Valley Escort Mission :: A2A Engagements
RUS38 Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 Hehe welkom to the real deal witwas ... afther i have bought my rift i didnt take long before i wanted to upgrade my seat with a jetseat, because i to have a warthog extencion i search for a vibration seat that fit for my seat and found from andre's shop a jetseat sim edition... Normaly i will get it in july... cant wait to get a little bit of feeling to when flying :) revieuw telling it is in combination whit rift also a verry nice imersion Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-J510FN met Tapatalk Got my JetSeat sim edition just over a month ago. It is awesome! A must have for VR! Love the design and olive color of a sim edition. The way I'd describe it is VR brings immersion to a sim and jetseat makes it alive.
boedha68 Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 I got mine today (the CV1), found one second hand, just tested it for a couple of hours. My opinion: UNBELIEVABLE, FANTASTIC, COMPLETELY INSANE. Never thought it would be such a difference, it's not the fact that you can move around (which is piratically the same as with the track ir), it's the step from 2d to 3d. Okay it isn't as sharp but if you crank up the pixel density to max it is completely playable. P.s. If you like to fly the DCS helos, you need to have it, you will notch up your skill level in minutes Welcome to the club!!! :D Newest system: AMD 9800X3d, Kingsting 128 GBDDR5, MSI RTX 5090(ready for buying), Corsair 150 Pro, 3xSamsung 970 Pro, Logitech X-56 HOTAS, Pimax Crystal Light (Super is purchased) ASUS 1200 Watt. New system:I9-9900KS, Kingston 128 GB DDR4 3200Mhz, MSI RTX 4090, Corsair H150 Pro RGB, 2xSamsung 970 EVO 2Tb, 2xsamsung 970 EVO 1 TB, Scandisk m2 500 MB, 2 x Crucial 1 Tb, T16000M HOTAS, HP Reverb Professional 2, Corsair 750 Watt. Old system:I7-4770K(OC 4.5Ghz), Kingston 24 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz,MSI RTX 2080(OC 2070 Mhz), 2 * 500 GB SSD, 3,5 TB HDD, 55' Samsung 3d tv, Trackir 5, Logitech HD Cam, T16000M HOTAS. All DCS modules, maps and campaigns:pilotfly:
Fred00 Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 To be honest I don't think next gen VR headsets are 2-3 years away. Of course Oculus are keen to state that they are "at least 2 years away", but they say it for a reason: to get people who are still on the fence to go and buy this gen (and it kind of works, even on me). If Oculus wait more than 2 years before they release the CV2 they run a big risk of being left behind. There's a big chance that a next gen headset is released in 2018, possibly a Vive 2, and if that happens Oculus are in big trouble. Just think about the impact if the CV1 was released 6 months earlier and they didn't have to compete directly against the Vive. I don't think Oculus can afford to make the same mistake again. It's in their interest to bring out the CV2 as soon as possible. Plus, much of the tech needed for major improvements already exist. Samsung have shown new screens for VR and add-ons for foveated rendering have also been shown. Given that both HTC and Oculus probably started developing the Vive 2 and CV2 well before the Vive and CV1 were even released I think that 2018 is a good bet on when we will see a new major headset hit the market. That is 2-2.5 years after the first release which seems like resonable time.
dogbite Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 Having the lenses is not the hold up. We need to have the gpu power to handle any meaningful increase in resolution and fov before we can call it gen2. The being able to do things like foveated rendering and such still require coding for it once the hardware for it is plentiful enough to make it worthwhile. Since it is June now I'd guess maybe 2019. Could be wrong. I5 6600K @4.5, Gigabyte GA-Z170XP mobo, GMMAXX GTE Cooler, MSI GTX 1080 ti Gaming X gpu (factory OC), SoundBlaster X-F1 sound card, 16 gig Corsair Vengeance ddr4 ram @ 3200 , 3 ssd hds, EVGA 650 Gold Power supply, Saitek X52 Hotas and rudders, 2 AuraSound AST-2B-4 Pro Bass Shakers, Pimax 5K+
BigDuke6ixx Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 Disclaimer, I don't have VR. I don't think VR is hands down superior to a wide monitor with Track IR. While visually impressive, it has some practical problems, the biggest for me being that it doesn't let you see your actual physical controls. This is less of an issue when you can cram everything on your HOTAS, but it's always going to be present. I wouldn't consider VR to be "complete" until you can interact with the virtual cockpit as well as you can see it. This isn't a problem at all. I use VoiceAttack. If i say 'mouse' the cursor appears and I can control it with my head. I then use voice commands to left/right click or click and hold. Not as good as having a virtual hand but it works extremely well. I've binned my triples and projector setup for the Rift. DCS in the Rift with the JetSeat doing its thing is breathtaking. Triples and projectors are not breathtaking at all.
BigDuke6ixx Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 I got mine today (the CV1), found one second hand, just tested it for a couple of hours. My opinion: UNBELIEVABLE, FANTASTIC, COMPLETELY INSANE. Never thought it would be such a difference, it's not the fact that you can move around (which is piratically the same as with the track ir), it's the step from 2d to 3d. Okay it isn't as sharp but if you crank up the pixel density to max it is completely playable. P.s. If you like to fly the DCS helos, you need to have it, you will notch up your skill level in minutes Did you cry the first time? I did.
Fred00 Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 I'm probably going nuts on the harware when the next gen VR shows up. Top GPU, top CPU (or atleast a really good one) and more or less what is needed to run DCS in all its glory. Hell, I would easily shell out 1500 bucks for a next gen VR headset right now. And I just found out about the Jetseat KW-908. That seat, combined with VR, must be one hell of a ride. Just think of the F-18, being launched from a carrier in VR with a Jetseat! :D
javelina1 Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 I'm probably going nuts on the harware when the next gen VR shows up. Top GPU, top CPU (or atleast a really good one) and more or less what is needed to run DCS in all its glory. Hell, I would easily shell out 1500 bucks for a next gen VR headset right now. And I just found out about the Jetseat KW-908. That seat, combined with VR, must be one hell of a ride. Just think of the F-18, being launched from a carrier in VR with a Jetseat! :D The Jetseat is an awesome addition! highly recommended! :thumbup: MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control
Oscar Juliet Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 I got to test a CV1 @ an air show. I was just along for the ride as it played a video demo of a red bull stunt plane. It felt like I could reach out and touch the controls. Now the stuff I've heard from people would make me not want one quite yet. One the price is too high and the resolution not quite there yet. Maybe once the next version comes out the current version will be more affordable. Who knows. VR will be amazing once its where it needs to be for more fun. Based on that crappy grainy demo I'd ditch screens for VR any day. No one who has tested it can tell you that anything feels more real. My Youtube Channel
Bazooka Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 Okay....Ive read everything that was said about the VR experience and I'm sold and will be looking to go VR in the very near future....what I didn't take away from this was which VR set was better, Occulus Rift or the HTC Vive. Anybody want to jump on that wagon and convince me which I should spend my hard earned dollars on?
Delta99 Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 Okay....Ive read everything that was said about the VR experience and I'm sold and will be looking to go VR in the very near future....what I didn't take away from this was which VR set was better, Occulus Rift or the HTC Vive. Anybody want to jump on that wagon and convince me which I should spend my hard earned dollars on? From what I have read over the year or so is that they are very comparable resolution wise etc. From anyone that has used both extensively I think the Rift comes out ahead for comfort in long playing sessions. If you are looking for room scale experience seems the Vive comes out a little ahead. Might depend on what games you intend to play primarily. If it is DCS only I would go for Rift due to comfort. 1 My Missions: Valley Patrol Mission :: Valley Escort Mission :: A2A Engagements
Bazooka Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 I'm just looking at DCS as I already have P-51 and A-10 and intend on adding a few more to the stable, and my older CoD FPS games on my desktop. I'm too old to do the room scale hiding behind a chair, jumping over the back of the sofa, shooting from the hip stuff. Id probably bust my butt or puke on the carpet neither of which would make mom a happy gamer wife!
hansangb Posted June 19, 2017 Posted June 19, 2017 Last year, Rift had better support (ATW, ASW's of the world). Had lighter (less heavy) headsets w/o a garden hose connecting it! Nowadays, it's probably even since Vive has a lighter weight and less clunky cable. I tried both, and settled on Rift. Microsoft and Bestbuys (check online) has demo stations so you may want to check both out. hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1
Cal.Iber Posted June 19, 2017 Posted June 19, 2017 Okay....Ive read everything that was said about the VR experience and I'm sold and will be looking to go VR in the very near future....what I didn't take away from this was which VR set was better, Occulus Rift or the HTC Vive. Anybody want to jump on that wagon and convince me which I should spend my hard earned dollars on? I have both although full disclosure, I've never tried the Vive in DCS. The Rift is a lot more comfortable to wear for extended periods of time and for a seated experience is quite pleasant to use. The progressive nature of the lenses is a bit annoying, and you have to experiment with the strap adjustment to get it centered over your eyes or things will be (more) blurry. Outside of sitting experiences though, the Vive has much more lasting appeal (and far better room-scale support / tracking). The first-gen strap is not very good and doesn't support the weight of the headset very well. I often find it feeling very front-heavy and pressing down on my nose. They started selling a "Deluxe Audio Strap" that comes with built-in headphones ala the Oculus which is supposed to support the weight distribution on your head far better, although Amazon has been out-of-stock since release. Unfortunately this also adds to the cost. For room-scale VR games the Vive has several advantages: Tracking is very high quality and having wireless sensors makes room-scale placement a lot easier without having to resort to several USB3 extensions. TL;DR - If flight sims are primarily your thing, I'd go with Oculus. If you're intrigued by room-scale VR then the Vive deserves some serious consideration.
dogbite Posted June 19, 2017 Posted June 19, 2017 I'm just looking at DCS as I already have P-51 and A-10 and intend on adding a few more to the stable, and my older CoD FPS games on my desktop. I'm too old to do the room scale hiding behind a chair, jumping over the back of the sofa, shooting from the hip stuff. Id probably bust my butt or puke on the carpet neither of which would make mom a happy gamer wife! The Rift does room scale, although a little smaller area. I play a lot of room scale seated. As far as which set for DCS, I would suggest you read the last few pages of the Vive and Rift sub-forums to get an idea what guys are currently thinking about their HMDs. I5 6600K @4.5, Gigabyte GA-Z170XP mobo, GMMAXX GTE Cooler, MSI GTX 1080 ti Gaming X gpu (factory OC), SoundBlaster X-F1 sound card, 16 gig Corsair Vengeance ddr4 ram @ 3200 , 3 ssd hds, EVGA 650 Gold Power supply, Saitek X52 Hotas and rudders, 2 AuraSound AST-2B-4 Pro Bass Shakers, Pimax 5K+
WindyTX Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 I have both and Dcs on both. If dcs is the priority then the rift wins. The screen has a larger sweetspot the software is better and the headset is more comfortable. If you are going to do roomscale in a significant amount then the Vive wins, the tracking is better and its easier to get 360 degree tracking. For dcs I use my Rift for roomscale I use the Vive. Sorry if it's not that helpful but its the way I use them. Dcs is acceptable on the Vive. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk I7 3930 4.2GHz ( Hyperthreading Off), GTX1080, 16 GB ddr3 Hotas Warthog Saiteck Combat Pedals HTC Vive, Oculus CV1. GTX 1080 Has its uses
f4l0 Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 ... And I just found out about the Jetseat KW-908. That seat, combined with VR, must be one hell of a ride. Just think of the F-18, being launched from a carrier in VR with a Jetseat! :D Yes, I'm very exited to start coding the support for this :D f4l0 Developer of Simshaker for Aviators Feel the brrrrttt: [Official] SimShaker for Aviators Forums thread at ED forums SimShaker for Aviators (simshaker-for-aviators.github.io)
TripRodriguez Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 Most people for DCS are 100% sold on gr8 including me, but there is always the chance you will be one of the few who is really bothered by the low resolution or motion sickness. I'd give up both kidneys before my VR! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Demo of my 6DOF Motion VR Sim:
Mango Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 I find the better the frame rate, the less I'm bothered by low resolution. If you can reach 90+ FPS you'll barely notice the pixels at all. :) BTW, the WOW factor always returns in full force with each new cockpit you get into.
javelina1 Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 I just got VR, and no way in heck am I ever going back! way beyond the WOW factor. MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control
VampireNZ Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 I wonder how many ppl without VR read all the comments in these threads and think 'Sheesh it can't be THAT good?' :yes: Vampire
Hawkeye60 Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 I wonder how many ppl without VR read all the comments in these threads and think 'Sheesh it can't be THAT good?'I wish there was a way to show the real impact of the first time in VR in cockpit. Pics and descriptions can NEVER convey the experience! I bet Rift sales would increase dramatically! Mind blowing! :D "Yeah, and though I work in the valley of Death, I will fear no Evil. For where there is one, there is always three. I preparest my aircraft to receive the Iron that will be delivered in the presence of my enemies. Thy ALCM and JDAM they comfort me. Power was given unto the aircrew to make peace upon the world by way of the sword. And when the call went out, Behold the "Sword of Stealth". And his name was Death. And Hell followed him. For the day of wrath has come and no mercy shall be given."
dogbite Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 VR is the best. The 2nd best is watching the expression on someone's face the first time they try it. I5 6600K @4.5, Gigabyte GA-Z170XP mobo, GMMAXX GTE Cooler, MSI GTX 1080 ti Gaming X gpu (factory OC), SoundBlaster X-F1 sound card, 16 gig Corsair Vengeance ddr4 ram @ 3200 , 3 ssd hds, EVGA 650 Gold Power supply, Saitek X52 Hotas and rudders, 2 AuraSound AST-2B-4 Pro Bass Shakers, Pimax 5K+
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