GTX 1070 prices through the roof!

[SkateZilla]

Haha, I know what you mean. ;)

 

I'm no CPU expert, but AFAIK Intel's Core CPUs tend to provide better single thread performance over AMD, and DCS loves single thread performance.

 

Anyway, I think your Nevada performance problems really come from the graphics card.

 

Like I said, I run 1920x1200 on a GTX 970 and while my FPS are not stellar, they're quite fine and most of the time 2.1 actually runs smoother than 1.5 for me. Let me put it like this: If you're even remotely thinking about going 1080, just grab a 970 (if any are available) and get a new CPU+Mobo+RAM. Such a bundle will probably cost the same as a single 1080. :smartass:

 

(The only downside being that new CPUs require Windows 10, if you don't have that already, and that a new Windows installation is unavoidable then).

 

Edit: Oh, and as for SSD - if you've tried it once, there's no going back! Windows boot-up times, DCS loading times, loading... anything, it's so damn fast, you'll wonder how you could ever live without it!

 

Tru when it was Intel Core vs FX and PhenomII

vs Ryzen, not by much, and barely measurable in benchmarks, 3-4 fps max in games..

 

if you want to spend considerably more for 3-4 FPS....... it's up to you, but Ryzen is a overall better CPU than the core series at current prices and performance ratings.

[SkateZilla]

Also,

 

do NOT buy Used Mining GPUs,

 

I dont care if it's a $50 1070, do NOT do it,

 

Mining GPUs run full tilt 24/7, even w/ proper cooling, the wear and tear on the GPU's ICs and VRM has been done.

[Yurgon]

Tru when it was Intel Core vs FX and PhenomII

vs Ryzen, not by much, and barely measurable in benchmarks, 3-4 fps max in games..

 

Good point. I was mostly referring to SnowTiger's current AMD CPU.

 

As for Ryzen, yeah, from what I heard these tend to be pretty good.

 

do NOT buy Used Mining GPUs, [...]

 

Again, good point.

 

Figuring out which used cards have been worn down in mining is probably not going to be too easy. If they're really cheap, that's probably a solid indication, but if they're expensive it doesn't mean they're not worn down. :noexpression:

 

My hope is that a downward spiralling second hand market will bring down prices in the first hand market just as well.

[SkateZilla]

like right now, ebay is being flooded with mid and upper mid teir GPUs for cheap by miners that have had their fill,

 

Avoid them at all costs.

[Konovalov]

like right now, ebay is being flooded with mid and upper mid teir GPUs for cheap by miners that have had their fill,

 

Avoid them at all costs.

I agree. Probably have been flogged within an inch of their life.

[DocSigma]

I don't think mining is exclusively to blame for the price spike in nvidia GPU's. AMD has to compete performance wise to nvidia chips, which they haven't done in a while. Hopefully Vega will be price/performance competitive in the high end enthusiast graphics market with the release of Vega to maybe drive the price of some of the high end nvidia cards down a bit.

[Dudikoff]

I don't think mining is exclusively to blame for the price spike in nvidia GPU's. AMD has to compete performance wise to nvidia chips, which they haven't done in a while.

 

The lack of competition determines the MSRP and slows down the price drop from it, but the subsequent rise in price is caused by increased demand and/or lack of available cards.

[SkateZilla]

the 1070 is the only card on the Green side that has decent Crypto Currency Mining Performance.

That's the Reason it's price is through the roof.

 

AMD Will not Ever Overtake nVidia, in this decade (2010-2020),

Especially in the condition they are in now.

 

For Now, AMD is Targeting the Main Profile and Budget Profile Users, as they make up significantly more of the market than the High Profile Users (ie, people that drop $900-$1800+ on GPUs).

 

For AMD to Recover, what they need is market share, and you're not going to recover much overall market share in the GPU Market spending billions to compete in the High End market, when the High End Market is less than 20% of the Total GPU market share, and getting minimal revenue in return.

 

They are finally competitive again in the CPU Market, and the Design of Zen w/ the CCXs is genius as they can build processors using smaller CCXs ont he CPU Substrate Package and not have to waste wafers w/ large CPU and multiple Dies that fit less per wafer and you lose more to defects compared to smaller dies.

 

once that design is integrated into their GPU Die Production, then You'll see AMD Strapping GCXs on large GPU Substrates w/ enough shaders to compete w/ nVidia's high end cards.

Edited July 31, 2017 by SkateZilla

[SnowTiger]

I don't suppose the following video card has enough ummfff to do well in DCS 2 NTTR or the WW2 map does it ?

EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition - Black Edition - graphics card - GF GTX 1070 - 8 GB GDDR5 - PCIe 3.0 x16 - DVI, HDMI, 3 x DisplayPort

 

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=10061331&Sku=YYD2-08GP45173KR

[Dudikoff]

I don't suppose the following video card has enough ummfff to do well in DCS 2 NTTR or the WW2 map does it ?

 

At that price ($593), it's simply not worth getting it whatever the resolution you're aiming for.

 

Just add $130 then and get 1080Ti (e.g. I see some on Newegg for $720) which is like at least 60% faster.

[SnowTiger]

That's kind of what I thought.

 

Most of the 1080's I have viewed are between $900 and $1200.

Plus I have to get a New Mobo and Processor because my current setup isn't PCIe 3 (it's PCIe 2).

 

One way or the other, I'm going to need almost $3000 CAD (incl. Taxes and Shipping) to get back in business.

[NineLine]

I don't suppose the following video card has enough ummfff to do well in DCS 2 NTTR or the WW2 map does it ?

EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition - Black Edition - graphics card - GF GTX 1070 - 8 GB GDDR5 - PCIe 3.0 x16 - DVI, HDMI, 3 x DisplayPort

 

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=10061331&Sku=YYD2-08GP45173KR

 

Similar to mine, and works well with DCS 2.

[SnowTiger]

Similar to mine, and works well with DCS 2.

 

Okay wells good to hear.

I don't have to have wind blowing in my hair to enjoy a good Sim (at least nothing I can't cure with Fan), I just want to have nice graphics without Frame Rate issues etc.

 

In any case, I'm going to give myself 4 or 5 months to decide (and save).

 

Thanks for the feedback.

[ebabil]

nowadays, ram prices are also ridicilously high. i don't understand this.

i remember that we used to buy some ram when we couldn't afford any other upgrades for our old pc's. now adding 16 gigs of ram is more expensive than buying a new mobo

[Hadwell]

uhh i remember when ram was 450$ for 16MB.... ram is rediculously cheap... with ram prices as they are today, 16MB of ram is less than 20 cents...

Edited October 25, 2017 by Hadwell

[Nooch]

I don't suppose the following video card has enough ummfff to do well in DCS 2 NTTR or the WW2 map does it ?

EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition - Black Edition - graphics card - GF GTX 1070 - 8 GB GDDR5 - PCIe 3.0 x16 - DVI, HDMI, 3 x DisplayPort

 

It also depends on which resolution you're intending to play at. If you're going for the 4k experience then a gtx 1080 would probably be the minimum.

[ebabil]

uhh i remember when ram was 450$ for 16MB.... ram is rediculously cheap... with ram prices as they are today, 16MB of ram is less than 20 cents...

 

haha good point :) but i am not talking about flinstones:)

[SnowTiger]

I'm hoping this video card is going to help my Sim Experience.

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=10080402&CatId=11972

 

The only thing is my Mobo is PCIe2 not PCIe3 so if I understand it correctly, I will only get 1/2 the performance out of this card (which is probably still better than my current card.

 

My current specs are as follows:

 

AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor 4.01 GHz

Sabertooth 990FX R2.0

16 GB RAM

Nvidia GeForce GTX 750 Ti

[SnowTiger]

Sorry Axelerator, I didn't see your post.

 

To be honest, I don't even know a 4K experience is, but I can't justify paying $800-$1200 for a card that I can at best get half performance out of.

Unless I can magically come up with a brand new complete system (with Mobo that has PCIe3), this won't happen. So I am trying to find a less expensive solution so that I can at least do SOMETHING in DCS World 2 which is much more than I can currently do.

The WW2 map is currently useless to me. I get about 10 frames a minute (sarcastically speaking).

[BitMaster]

I'm hoping this video card is going to help my Sim Experience.

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=10080402&CatId=11972

 

The only thing is my Mobo is PCIe2 not PCIe3 so if I understand it correctly, I will only get 1/2 the performance out of this card (which is probably still better than my current card.

 

My current specs are as follows:

 

AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor 4.01 GHz

Sabertooth 990FX R2.0

16 GB RAM

Nvidia GeForce GTX 750 Ti

 

no worries, that is still plenty, roughly 8GB/sec bandwidth with PCIe-16x.

 

it wont be half the speed, more like 98% or so, fps wise

[SnowTiger]

Thanks BitMaster

 

I can live with that. FPS is what I'm lacking.

I know that I can get big improvements by going to a SSHD but that is yet another investment.

I'm on a fixed low income (disability pension) so I have so spend wisely and try to get as much for as little as possible. A little bit at a time.

So this is good news. I'm going to order this video card today (while the shipping is free !).

 

Thanks again.

[Dutch60]

I totally underestimated the mining craziness!

 

I ordered a complete new Coffee Lake system:

MOBO Asus Maximus X Hero

CPU 8700K

RAM G.Skill 3866

GPU EVGA 1080 Ti SC2 Hybrid

and some other stuff...

 

Guess what part I am still waiting for:

 

- I was worried about the 8700K but it was delivered 2 weeks ago!

 

- I am still waiting 1080 Ti SC2 Hybrid

On the website the shop said 10+ days!

But I am already waiting for 14 days for this video card.

The shop now says EVGA will deliver the cards on the 8th of November!

 

That is mining craziness...

[Simicro]

Me too I only became aware of the mining madness last month when I started to study the upgrade of my PC.

 

Good for miners and card manufacturers but bad for us gamers/simmers :mad:

 

Only speaking of Bitcoins, their issuing will end in a few years... but maybe other crypto-currencies will emerge?

[BitMaster]

2 of my friends and myself are thinking about putting a mining rig together..LoL

 

A couple 580's and a good PSU. Could make good use of my old P6T6-WS-Rev board with 5x16x slots.

 

Since the ectricity would be for free in this case I guess it will pay nice

[dburne]

Dang maybe I should consider putting my EVGA 1080 FTW on Ebay...