fixed su25 ccrp

[Vatikus]

I noticed that on random my bombs drop at the same time i press release instead of switching to CCRP. If you drop single bomb it works ok, but soon as you use ripples the CCRP premature (no orange light at all) drop will happen in quite high %.

 

I am wondering if I am missing something or is this a bug.

[Esac_mirmidon]

I've read somewhere the same thing reported.

[Sideslip]

I've read somewhere the same thing reported.

 

So have I.

 

It's really irritating and seems to be almost 50/50 chance of it happening. Yet yesterday I managed 3 times to get a pair of cluster bombs to release perfectly. There's no rhyme or reason to it so until it gets fixed, ccrp just isn't reliable.

 

Though considering it's been at least a year that the su-25's engine animations have been reversed (probably the easiest thing in the whole game to fix), I think we'll be waiting a long time.

[VZ_342]

Which method is shown on the HUD just before the trigger is pressed?

[Vatikus]

Which method is shown on the HUD just before the trigger is pressed?

We are talking about older model of Su25 which does not have HUD.

In Su25T I did not experience problems like I do in non T.

[VentHorror]

So have I.

 

It's really irritating and seems to be almost 50/50 chance of it happening. Yet yesterday I managed 3 times to get a pair of cluster bombs to release perfectly. There's no rhyme or reason to it so until it gets fixed, ccrp just isn't reliable.

 

Though considering it's been at least a year that the su-25's engine animations have been reversed (probably the easiest thing in the whole game to fix), I think we'll be waiting a long time.

 

 

I have reported this as a bug in September.

Does it really take that long for a bug to be scheduled for a fix? :(

Being new to the community, and wanting master SU-25 first makes this bug very irritating.

 

There is one thing that comes to mind:

Comparing su-25 and su-25T.

 

When you do a sudden nose dive in Su-25T ccrp quickly turns into ccip. It is clearly visible on the HUD.

 

I'm guessing that the same thing happens in Su-25, only without HUD we are unaware of it being changed to ccip. (the CCIP LIGHT does not shine when this happens)

[Lixma 06]

I switched on 'infinite weapons' and tried to replicate this and yes the CCRP is spotty. Oddly, it was only wonky for the first 3 or 4 attempts. After that it worked fine.

 

edit: just tried it again and it's all over the place. Currently trying to see whether it's related to ripple, salvo, altitude, pitch angle etc.

Edited November 22, 2017 by Lixma 06

[Sideslip]

It will work roughly 50% of the time.

 

Try this:

 

Using the SU-25A with bombs loaded, fly in a level attitude with it set to release only 1 bomb. Turn on the laser designator and put the plane in a gentle right turn (there is no indication in the A model when CCRP is engaged other than the piper staying locked in place with an arrow directing where to fly, hence the turn). While turning in level flight, keep pressing and releasing the trigger for about half a second at a time. Do this about 20 to 30 times and you will notice sometimes CCRP will engage and the piper will follow the terrain and other times nothing will happen (it didn't work). Now try it with 2, 4 and all selected. You will notice that instead of CCRP failing to activate, it will release the bombs immediately with no launch authorization.

 

It has absolutely nothing to do with dive angle, or plane orientation, or terrain, or anything really.

 

The CCRP mode is simply unusable in the A model. The T model has no such problem.

[Jascha]

Sadly, this bug is still present. There is no way to tell if pressing and holding the trigger will initiate CCRP mode or drop bombs right away (completely off target). It should be simple - if there is no drop authorization (red light) or CCRP mode initiated, bombs cannot be dropped.

[Jascha]

Sorry for double post, but I made a short video demonstrating the issue:

It seems that it's completely random. No idea to tell if the CCRP will work or bombs will be wasted.

Trk file:

Su-25 CCRP fail.trk

Edited June 1, 2022 by Jascha

[Kobymaru]

Hi, sorry for necroing this thread, but apparently the same Issue still exists 5 years later.

Has anyone here found a workaround or at least a pattern for the randomness?

[Aviator78]

8 hours ago, Kobymaru said:

Hi, sorry for necroing this thread, but apparently the same Issue still exists 5 years later.

Has anyone here found a workaround or at least a pattern for the randomness?

No need to apologize, checking for older threads before opening a new one is the right thing to do. No need to litter the forum with ten threads on the same issue. You did it right

[Marko.H]

+1 to this. it is totally random and frustrating. I just gave up using CCRP on Su-25 except for single drops.

[WildBillKelsoe]

I don't think the A variant is equipped with CCRP capability (I checked the control bindings for CCRP steering mode (A-10A has it).. maybe it is related to munitions?

[Jascha]

2 hours ago, WildBillKelsoe said:

I don't think the A variant is equipped with CCRP capability (I checked the control bindings for CCRP steering mode (A-10A has it).. maybe it is related to munitions?

It's a hybrid of CCIP and CCRP. It works the same as CCIP Post Designate for F-16C or CCIP Consent Release Mode for A-10C. You put CCIP pipper on target, hold weapon release and follow the simplified flight deviation indicator until the bombs are dropped. There is a training mission for it (#5). There are no special bindings.

Edited March 16, 2023 by Jascha

[WildBillKelsoe]

10 hours ago, Jascha said:

It's a hybrid of CCIP and CCRP. It works the same as CCIP Post Designate for F-16C or CCIP Consent Release Mode for A-10C. You put CCIP pipper on target, hold weapon release and follow the simplified flight deviation indicator until the bombs are dropped. There is a training mission for it (#5). There are no special bindings.

 

maybe in the T variant we are talking about the A variant I think for CCRP to work the plane must have a (somewhat) stabilized form of gyro/servo/dampening/actuator mechanism (AKA autopilot). I will look for the number 5 mission though.

 

I highly doubt now that the A variant is as sophisticated as the T at least in FCS. I think the A variant was the prototype variant iirc and that was merely a steam gauge manual flying plane. Think Bf-109. Cables and pulleys.

[Jascha]

2 hours ago, WildBillKelsoe said:

maybe in the T variant we are talking about the A variant I think for CCRP to work the plane must have a (somewhat) stabilized form of gyro/servo/dampening/actuator mechanism (AKA autopilot). I will look for the number 5 mission though.

I'm talking about Su-25 (basic version).

CCRP stands for Continuously Computed Release Point and that's exactly what this system does in Su-25, even if it's a very simple, non-sophisticated version of it.

[Ironhand]

8 hours ago, WildBillKelsoe said:

maybe in the T variant we are talking about the A variant I think for CCRP to work the plane must have a (somewhat) stabilized form of gyro/servo/dampening/actuator mechanism (AKA autopilot). I will look for the number 5 mission though.

 

I highly doubt now that the A variant is as sophisticated as the T at least in FCS. I think the A variant was the prototype variant iirc and that was merely a steam gauge manual flying plane. Think Bf-109. Cables and pulleys.

Well…it used to work fine and still works fine at times in the present. The modeling of the tone announcing that you are within parameters and the bombs are about to drop is there as well. ED has always modeled CCRP for the Su-25A. It’s just become corrupted and needs to be fixed.

[WildBillKelsoe]

@IronhandIs this Rich Sorochak?? Is this THE Rich Sorochak on the line?? The guy that hooked me into this thing 10+ years ago?? 

 

Nice to see you buddy!

@Jascha

I just booted up the CCRP training mission like you said. I am still investigating the issue. I will update on my next reply. 

 

Thanks

[Ironhand]

55 minutes ago, WildBillKelsoe said:

@IronhandIs this Rich Sorochak?? Is this THE Rich Sorochak on the line?? The guy that hooked me into this thing 10+ years ago??

 It is I. And I’m still hanging around.

[WildBillKelsoe]

On 3/17/2023 at 9:58 PM, Ironhand said:

 It is I. And I’m still hanging around.

Nice to see you bud!

 

OK after testing the CCRP training mission I think I know where the problem is: The stores management system. 

 

You see if you are carrying anything BUT KMGU dispensers, the dial should be set to KMGU. All FAB/KAB/SAB/RBK, etc.. will drop CCIP unless it is set to (KMGU/MBD/..)

AND 

if you are carrying KMGU the dial should be set to Salvo/0.1~0.4 AND NOT KMGU (go figure..) or It will drop CCIP.

The tutorial is irrelevant in the speeds and altitudes unless the SMS is fixed.

 

So yes it's a bug but looks simple to plug the munitions to the correct setting kind of bug. Also, the referencing altimeter for the CCIP/RP is apparently the radar altimeter. 

 

Edited March 22, 2023 by WildBillKelsoe

[Flappie]

This was fixed with today's update.