Yet another warthog slew upgrade

[Deltaalphalima1]

On 7/18/2022 at 4:19 PM, silverdevil said:

i had a question about slew upgrade. i did it and it works great. easy to do also. so my question; is there such a thing a longer stick for the slew? thinking, just as extensions do for joysticks, and extension on the slew stick would mean more precise movements. i thought about 3d printing one. thoughts?

I haven’t tried a longer one so I’m not sure how that would be, but I do have a design for a shorter version. STL is attached for short version, and the standard version.

The issue with 3D printing is getting the tolerance right so it fits onto the sensor shaft properly - if you have a 3d printer it’s easier, but with shapeways or a similar service it can be hit and miss with their tolerances.

ALPSHat V5.stl ALPSHat small v5.stl

[Tobur]

Any tips on adjusting the curve settings for this? 

[Deltaalphalima1]

On 8/10/2022 at 7:25 AM, Tobur said:

Any tips on adjusting the curve settings for this? 

I would say start with no curves set, and test it out in game with small control movements.
If you feel like you don’t have enough fine control, increase the curve maybe 5 points at time, and retest until it feels better.
Once the curve is set, test at maximum deflection and see how the top speed feels. If you want it slower, adjust down the saturation in the same way - but I would usually stick to 100% saturation for the best movement speed.
You shouldn’t need any deadzone set, I would only recommend that if you experience any drift, which you shouldn’t with a new and properly calibrated sensor.

I use around 10 - 20 on curve and 100% saturation but it really depends on your personal preference.

[Deltaalphalima1]

Hello everyone!

Since we started making our slew upgrade, one thing that has come up several times is the limited axis update rate for the slew axis. It doesn’t update as quickly as the other throttle axes, which has meant that even after upgrading the physical slew the axis still doesn’t work as well as it could.

This was a limitation inside the throttle firmware, so couldn’t be changed by the slew upgrade directly. Other the last few months I have been working on reverse engineering the Warthog throttle firmware, so I could modify it to increase the slew axis speed.

I am pleased to announce our first custom Warthog throttle firmware version, which removes this limitation and runs the slew axis at full speed!

Delta_Sim_Fast_Slew_v100.tmf is released free of charge, and is compatible with all our slew upgrades, including the force sensor.

Please find the firmware file and install instructions attached for download.

You will need the Thrustmaster firmware update tool installed to do the update. This comes with the Thrustmaster Warthog driver package, so you probably have it installed already, or it can be downloaded from the Thrustmaster website.

 

This has been a lot of work, so I hope it will be useful to someone

Delta_Sim_Fast_Slew_v100.zip

[HeavyGun1450]

33 minutes ago, Deltaalphalima1 said:

Hello everyone!

Since we started making our slew upgrade, one thing that has come up several times is the limited axis update rate for the slew axis. It doesn’t update as quickly as the other throttle axes, which has meant that even after upgrading the physical slew the axis still doesn’t work as well as it could.

This was a limitation inside the throttle firmware, so couldn’t be changed by the slew upgrade directly. Other the last few months I have been working on reverse engineering the Warthog throttle firmware, so I could modify it to increase the slew axis speed.

I am pleased to announce our first custom Warthog throttle firmware version, which removes this limitation and runs the slew axis at full speed!

Delta_Sim_Fast_Slew_v100.tmf is released free of charge, and is compatible with all our slew upgrades, including the force sensor.

Please find the firmware file and install instructions attached for download.

You will need the Thrustmaster firmware update tool installed to do the update. This comes with the Thrustmaster Warthog driver package, so you probably have it installed already, or it can be downloaded from the Thrustmaster website.

 

This has been a lot of work, so I hope it will be useful to someone

Delta_Sim_Fast_Slew_v100.zip 6.61 kB · 0 downloads

Ooh this looks awesome. I dident even notice it dident run at full speed. I will have to download this and try later today!

[edmuss]

Forgive me for being thick! But how would this manifest in DCS?  Does it increase the maximum slew speed or simply the update rate which I pesume could give smoother slewing?

[silverdevil]

3 minutes ago, edmuss said:

smoother slewing

in my case this is what i noticed.

[edmuss]

See I've noticed some juddering when slewing but I think that's actually reprojection ghosting from openxr as it doesn't happen all the time, moreso when the TGP is zoomed right in on highly detailed areas.  I'll have a play with it

[HeavyGun1450]

Even just testing it today for a few minutes on a TGP, its amazing how much smoother and nicer it is. I dident even know what I was missing. Great job reverse engineering that firmware DeltaSim!!

[Sn8ke]

Will download and try as soon as I get home. Long live the hog!

[Baldrick33]

I tend to fly the older aircraft and use the slew to move the mouse pointer around in VR (using Joy2Key). It works really well as a mini trackball and much more convenient.

I have applied the firmware and it feels more precise.

In combination with using the CMS hat on my stick for right and left mouse buttons and mouse wheel it means I can control all mouse functions using just the HOTAS.

[Sawamura]

21 hours ago, Deltaalphalima1 said:

Hello everyone!

Since we started making our slew upgrade, one thing that has come up several times is the limited axis update rate for the slew axis. It doesn’t update as quickly as the other throttle axes, which has meant that even after upgrading the physical slew the axis still doesn’t work as well as it could.

This was a limitation inside the throttle firmware, so couldn’t be changed by the slew upgrade directly. Other the last few months I have been working on reverse engineering the Warthog throttle firmware, so I could modify it to increase the slew axis speed.

I am pleased to announce our first custom Warthog throttle firmware version, which removes this limitation and runs the slew axis at full speed!

Delta_Sim_Fast_Slew_v100.tmf is released free of charge, and is compatible with all our slew upgrades, including the force sensor.

Please find the firmware file and install instructions attached for download.

You will need the Thrustmaster firmware update tool installed to do the update. This comes with the Thrustmaster Warthog driver package, so you probably have it installed already, or it can be downloaded from the Thrustmaster website.

 

This has been a lot of work, so I hope it will be useful to someone

Delta_Sim_Fast_Slew_v100.zip 6.61 kB · 60 downloads

Does this update work on a default WH throttle? Never done such a firmware update.

[Deltaalphalima1]

1 hour ago, Sawamura said:

Does this update work on a default WH throttle? Never done such a firmware update.

It should work on any throttle, but there probably isn’t much advantage doing it if you haven’t also upgraded the slew. It might make it overly sensitive with the stock slew still installed - but you can always downgrade so feel free to give it a go!

[Tigermoto]

On 9/9/2022 at 11:16 AM, Deltaalphalima1 said:

Hello everyone!

Since we started making our slew upgrade, one thing that has come up several times is the limited axis update rate for the slew axis. It doesn’t update as quickly as the other throttle axes, which has meant that even after upgrading the physical slew the axis still doesn’t work as well as it could.

This was a limitation inside the throttle firmware, so couldn’t be changed by the slew upgrade directly. Other the last few months I have been working on reverse engineering the Warthog throttle firmware, so I could modify it to increase the slew axis speed.

I am pleased to announce our first custom Warthog throttle firmware version, which removes this limitation and runs the slew axis at full speed!

Delta_Sim_Fast_Slew_v100.tmf is released free of charge, and is compatible with all our slew upgrades, including the force sensor.

Please find the firmware file and install instructions attached for download.

You will need the Thrustmaster firmware update tool installed to do the update. This comes with the Thrustmaster Warthog driver package, so you probably have it installed already, or it can be downloaded from the Thrustmaster website.

 

This has been a lot of work, so I hope it will be useful to someone

Incredible,

The DeltaSim Slew upgrade is one of the things i'd class as transformative over the original Warthog throttle's weird mouse.
This Firmware is almost as transformative again IMHO.

Thank you so much for this.
I can move the TPOD in the Harrier smoothly, always thought the Harrier was broken. 

[edmuss]

Just installed the updated firmware and even in the control panel it's visibly a good deal smoother!

edit: just tested in the A10C and it's infinitely better, the physical stick gives more control simply by being longer, the firmware makes it so much better - top work @Deltaalphalima1

Edited September 10, 2022 by edmuss

[Chunk]

Holt Toledo, this firmware update makes a HUGE difference.  Much smoother than before, thank you much!

[silverdevil]

On 9/9/2022 at 6:16 AM, Deltaalphalima1 said:

Thrustmaster firmware update tool

i cannot seem to find this. i thought i used it when i first did the upgrade. can anyone share a link?

[MAXsenna]

31 minutes ago, silverdevil said:

i cannot seem to find this. i thought i used it when i first did the upgrade. can anyone share a link?

You don't have this?

If not.

https://support.thrustmaster.com/en/product/hotas-warthog-dual-throttles-en/

 

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Edited September 11, 2022 by MAXsenna

[Baldrick33]

I also revisited using the slew as an analog wheel brake on the Spitfire etc. Again that seems to have more precise control and works really well.

[silverdevil]

13 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

You don't have this?

If not.

https://support.thrustmaster.com/en/product/hotas-warthog-dual-throttles-en/

 

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you are the best Max. Takk så mye!  i kept seeing it as rudder pedals and its for all TM devices.

[Roastie]

Thank you, it works great with the deltasim mod! Maybe now I can slew a maverick in an AV8B.

[LazyBoot]

On 9/10/2022 at 11:22 AM, Deltaalphalima1 said:

It should work on any throttle, but there probably isn’t much advantage doing it if you haven’t also upgraded the slew. It might make it overly sensitive with the stock slew still installed - but you can always downgrade so feel free to give it a go!

I've seen some reports that the latest version of the WH throttle comes with an improved slew by default now.

Though apparently the default update rate on it is still the same.

Edited September 11, 2022 by LazyBoot

[Whistler_RIO]

This installed fine and works great.  thanks alot Delta! way to followup on your great upgrade!

[Gruman]

A firmware update to make my force sensing upgrade better? Awesome

Will install tomorrow and test. Many thanks.

BTW: Do you still have a 3d model of the slew hat which fits on the Force Sensing model? I would like to replace my red hat with a new color. 

Edited September 14, 2022 by Gruman

[Deltaalphalima1]

4 hours ago, Gruman said:

A firmware update to make my force sensing upgrade better? Awesome

Will install tomorrow and test. Many thanks.

BTW: Do you still have a 3d model of the slew hat which fits on the Force Sensing model? I would like to replace my red hat with a new color. 

 

Sure - STL file is attached. If I remember correctly the holes are modelled slightly undersize so they can be drilled / tapped to the correct size, otherwise the 3D printing process usually doesn’t give a reliable enough tolerance. The bottom hole should be drilled to 2.3mm, and the side hole tapped to metric M3 thread.

I still have all the CAD so let me know if you need anything

462 Concave Hat v6.stl