"we believe we have largely addressed these issues." MISSION ACCMPLISHED????

[Dagger71]

I dont know what the problem is

 

It has always been this way, you are trying to imply something that is not correct.

 

Release version is 1.5.8

 

beta version is 2.5.0

 

in the future 2.5.0 will be pushed to release

 

1.5.8 will be a legacy version

 

New module is released sometimes to beta first sometimes to release which ever, 1.5.8 will be irrelevant it will be a legacy version.

 

that is how software works, versions get updated

 

what is the only version is the available on steam right now?

[BIGNEWY]

what is the only version is the available on steam right now?

 

1.5.8 and 2.5

[PeaceSells]

You have also missed the main point, the initial product, that is the map, along with 2 flyable aircraft are FREE.. which makes it a free product does it not?

 

If you want to fly certain aircraft on the free map, then yes, you have to purchase those, I'm not talking about purchasing additional aircraft here, 2.5 even in it's current state is a free product.

1.58 was a free product

2.0 was a free product..

 

If someone gave you a free Subaru imprezza, without all the trimmings, but you bought and added all the spoilers and alloys etc and fine tuned it, at your own cost, regardless of what you did,the base product was still free.

 

Many people have bought only the A10C or other high fidelity modules and need the map to play them. The paid modules are not accessories to the Caucasus map or the free aircraft, as a matter of fact many people don't even care about these free aircraft. I have to say you are looking at it in a completely inverted way.

[Oban]

Many people have bought only the A10C or other high fidelity modules and need the map to play them. The paid modules are not accessories to the Caucasus map or the free aircraft, as a matter of fact many people don't even care about these free aircraft. I have to say you are looking at it in a completely inverted way.

 

Did they buy the modules prior to downloading the FREE map?

 

I think you will find that most users would have downloaded the base item, ie the FREE map first, and checked it out for performance issues, and graphics etc before thinking "I like this, it looks really uber, now I'm going to go and buy x, y and z module, to give me more variants to fly"

 

It's not looking at it in an inverted way, buying a module for a game without checking it's actually worth it is pretty stupid IMHO, I see countless people posting that 2.5 is unplayable, because their systems are just not up to it, and then they blame ED for upgrading their product??

[=DECOY=]

Why is it these threads always turn in to an argument ..

 

It's beta deal with it or don't....its your choice

 

I honestly thought forums are a place to help each other, but these days it's all about moaning, no the BETA version is not perfect but it's BETA.

 

 

My group has over 400 members some of whom cannot join any mp server, but most likely this is down to poor hardware but most importantly they understand what a beta is and are waiting til the actual release before moaning.

 

 

I have seen many people stop using this forum as it's becoming hostile.

 

Please get along and be helpful... provide logs for ED to help find issues faster..

 

Or would you all prefer the old crap 1.5 (No offence ED) ??

[Esac_mirmidon]

+1

[Frederf]

no the BETA version is not perfect but it's BETA.

 

There is a large segment of users which have decided that the OB branch is the "real game" and 1.5.8 is history. They have deleted 1.5.8. It no longer exists. There is only 2.5. They aren't testing or trying or previewing 2.5, that's all they have.

 

And I don't know how to correct this wrong thinking.

[PeaceSells]

Did they buy the modules prior to downloading the FREE map?

 

I think you will find that most users would have downloaded the base item, ie the FREE map first, and checked it out for performance issues, and graphics etc before thinking "I like this, it looks really uber, now I'm going to go and buy x, y and z module, to give me more variants to fly"

 

It's not looking at it in an inverted way, buying a module for a game without checking it's actually worth it is pretty stupid IMHO, I see countless people posting that 2.5 is unplayable, because their systems are just not up to it, and then they blame ED for upgrading their product??

 

It doesn't matter what they downloaded first, the map or the module. The moment they buy a module that requires the map to run, that map isn't simply a free product anymore, it's a part of a paid product. BTW, people's system are not below specifications. People having better specs than the official minimum are having these problems.

[Ziptie]

Did they buy the modules prior to downloading the FREE map?

 

I did. Thought the A10C was a game by itself. Opened the door to an experience that has been ‘unique.’

Edited March 17, 2018 by Ziptie

[Oban]

The moment they buy a module that requires the map to run, that map isn't simply a free product anymore, it's a part of a paid product.

 

no, the paid product is the paid product, not part of, dosn't matter how many modules you buy, the bottom line is the base game is FREE, how difficult is this to fathom?

 

The map will always be the free part, any other addon will always be the purchased product, even if it relies on the base product.

 

Normandy and NTTR are classic examples of paid products, of which I believe the last 2 modules were needed, as they were both released under version2.0 (also in alpha) people bought them to offer variations, same with the modules, doesn't matter how much spin you try and put on it DCS is a free product, you are only paying for your own benefit, nobody else's, you pick and chose which products you wish to use, on the free map, or you purchase the other terrains as well.

 

To say it doesn't matter what they downloaded shows how asinine you're comments are becoming. Would you really download a DLC for a game that you don't have the base installed?

 

I personally doubt anyone would download a DLC without first testing the base product, it makes no sense at all.

[Ziptie]

I personally doubt anyone would download a DLC without first testing the base product, it makes no sense at all.

 

Doubting the uninquness or individuality of people is a quick way to show yourself that you can be wrong sir.

 

I happened to purchaser the “A10C Warthog” from http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com without ever trying (1.5?) I think it was at the time..? Thought I had found a game that was just flying the A10C around the world. Realize there was much more to it afterwords.

[Oban]

Doubting the uninquness or individuality of people is a quick way to show yourself that you can be wrong sir.

 

I happened to purchaser the “A10C Warthog” from www.digitalcombatsimulator.com without ever trying (1.5?) I think it was at the time..? Thought I had found a game that was just flying the A10C around the world. Realize there was much more to it afterwords.

 

In other words, you purchased the module in error, without realising you needed the base game..

 

And that you didn't actually read the base module requirements into the bargain?

 

it sure does prove the uniqueness of individuals that leap before looking :smilewink:

 

And to be fair, I've done the very same thing myself, as in not looking at the basic requirements needed, felt like a proper mong when I asked for a refund for a game that doesn't work, only to be told, it's an addon sir, you need the base game installed for it to work.. had to dip my hands in my pocket and buy that too.. I think it was the old Fleet Defender game too, where you got to fly the F14.

[Dagger71]

1.5.8 and 2.5

 

 

I'm only seeing 2.5 on steam. can you like me to the "release" version?

[Mr_sukebe]

See here:

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/

[Esac_mirmidon]

He is asking for the steam version.

[BIGNEWY]

I'm only seeing 2.5 on steam. can you like me to the "release" version?

 

in the properties of the game in steam you have selected the beta version, from memory there is a beta tab

 

guide here how to switch between version at the bottom

 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/support/faq/500/

[Dagger71]

in the properties of the game in steam you have selected the beta version, from memory there is a beta tab

 

guide here how to switch between version at the bottom

 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/support/faq/500/

 

To install the release version I have to opt into the beta and select "final 1.58".

[BIGNEWY]

To install the release version I have to opt into the beta and select "final 1.58".

 

correct unfortunately there is no way of having both at the same time on steam

[Mars Exulte]

thank you !

 

This speaks volumes!

I will leave it at that, as everyone on here swallowed the "it's only beta pill" "go back to 1.58 you troll" I will ask that you absorb what Bignew has just stated.

 

Just let it sink for a moment before the bells start ringing,.

 

This has been common knowledge for two+ years. You're on the same page as the rest of us now, though, so progress!

[PeaceSells]

no, the paid product is the paid product, not part of, dosn't matter how many modules you buy, the bottom line is the base game is FREE, how difficult is this to fathom?

 

The map will always be the free part, any other addon will always be the purchased product, even if it relies on the base product.

 

Normandy and NTTR are classic examples of paid products, of which I believe the last 2 modules were needed, as they were both released under version2.0 (also in alpha) people bought them to offer variations, same with the modules, doesn't matter how much spin you try and put on it DCS is a free product, you are only paying for your own benefit, nobody else's, you pick and chose which products you wish to use, on the free map, or you purchase the other terrains as well.

 

To say it doesn't matter what they downloaded shows how asinine you're comments are becoming. Would you really download a DLC for a game that you don't have the base installed?

 

I personally doubt anyone would download a DLC without first testing the base product, it makes no sense at all.

 

You are 100% wrong again. At this point I've explained twice why, and you refuse to understand, so I don't see the point of explaining again.

 

In other words, you purchased the module in error, without realising you needed the base game..

 

And that you didn't actually read the base module requirements into the bargain?

 

it sure does prove the uniqueness of individuals that leap before looking :smilewink:

 

And to be fair, I've done the very same thing myself, as in not looking at the basic requirements needed, felt like a proper mong when I asked for a refund for a game that doesn't work, only to be told, it's an addon sir, you need the base game installed for it to work.. had to dip my hands in my pocket and buy that too.. I think it was the old Fleet Defender game too, where you got to fly the F14.

 

That has nothing to do with being free or not, you sould always read the requirements before purchasing. The DCS modules state, in the purchase page, that you need to download one of the versions of DCS, and that proves my whole point.

 

DCS and the Caucasus map can only be thought as a free product if you're playing the free modules. This is cool and I really love that (as well as flying my Su-25T), but if you bought any paid module, you can't have DCS or the Caucasus map treated as free software. I don't think I can make this any clearer at this point...

[BIGNEWY]

Caucasus map is free to use with all aircraft in DCS, paid or the free ones.

 

you are just going to have to agree to disagree on this point otherwise you will be going back and forth for ever.

[PeaceSells]

Caucasus map is free to use with all aircraft in DCS, paid or the free ones.

 

Free or mandatory? Please don't tell me I have the option to use the paid maps...

 

you are just going to have to agree to disagree on this point otherwise you will be going back and forth for ever.

 

Fair.

[Tinkickef]

Did they buy the modules prior to downloading the FREE map?

 

I think you will find that most users would have downloaded the base item, ie the FREE map first, and checked it out for performance issues, and graphics etc before thinking "I like this, it looks really uber, now I'm going to go and buy x, y and z module, to give me more variants to fly"

 

It's not looking at it in an inverted way, buying a module for a game without checking it's actually worth it is pretty stupid IMHO, I see countless people posting that 2.5 is unplayable, because their systems are just not up to it, and then they blame ED for upgrading their product??

 

I quite understand how difficult and how upsetting it is for the devs to try their damndest to do an update and fail.....

 

But your blinkered faboiism is not doing DCS, the community, nor this thread any favours at all.

 

Stay focused on the issues at hand,acknowledge the failures, report them honestly and stop the pro DCS spin at any cost attitude. You are the Ying, to the excessively negative user's Yang. You the other side of the same coin.

 

DCS is NOT free, in fact in my case it is THE most expensive PC game I ever had by good margin. I urge you to have a little perspective on this, people have a lot invested and feelings run high.

 

Then we can move on and give the devs honest feedback. At the moment your are not helping the situation.

Edited March 18, 2018 by Tinkickef

[NineLine]

I appreciate it takes time to zero in on hard to replicate bugs

 

But the hotfix that removed all buildings from a terrain, but that not

being spotted (takes literally seconds) after loading a quick start mission

not being found before it got to release is a bit worrying

 

There was a very quick turnaround on bug that blocked a large amount of people from even playing the game, the end result was a graphical error, albeit a large one. This is Open Beta, and rather than leaving people without DCS to play this weekend they got the worst issue fixed.

 

Again, Open Beta isnt for the weak of heart. If you cant handle the bumps in the road, stick to the release path.

 

Closed for now, ED is working on issues.

Edited March 18, 2018 by NineLine