Steam Release Date Update

[NineLine]

The stand-alone people shouldn't get pissed off

 

But they do, not all of course, just like not all Steam people are mad at this. For example. Standalone sale starts, Steam people mad, Steam sale starts, standalone people mad. It happens.

 

The Standalone is their main focus, they do what they can with Steam, but less is in their control. It causes issues, so Steam will always have little hiccups, its the nature of the beast. ED tries to do right, first offering a discount for what would have been a long wait, then making it available earlier, but at full price. Its a balancing act that seems easy from the outside.

[ndecaro]

ED tries to do right, first offering a discount for what would have been a long wait, then making it available earlier, but at full price. Its a balancing act that seems easy from the outside.

 

The discount wasn't for "a long wait". It was for not being able to pre-order. As a compensation for not being able to pre-order on Steam, ED had said that the new map and Hornet would be discounted initially when it released on Steam. I realize that as of today ED has changed their wording, but it looks really bad to any Steam user who was excited about these modules or any future modules for that matter.

[crab]

I suppose I'm the opposite of most here. I would have loved to have known I could have paid more and got it on steam only 1 day later. I could give a crap about the sale and would have waited the day every time and paid more... if only I would have that option.

[Baz000]

The way I understood it, when the FAQ was originally written was that 1 week discount on initial launch on STEAM was due to STEAM users not being able to pre-purchase and thus have same offer as standalone users.

 

I understand, it was stated to be a miscommunication... But I also understand why some STEAM users are not 100% pleased with this announcement.

[David OC]

I moved to standalone after the A-10C to support ED and not Valve's 30% cut. ED is going out of there way here to release the hornet and PG for steam users close to the same time as standalone version will have it.

 

It would be great if you could still move the steam licences to standalone to pull more users to the standalone version. I do understand that some like to have all their games under one roof.

[Timotsuky]

Timotsuky, did you ever get that cheese I sent you to go with your whine?:megalol:

 

Of course it was pretty good

[probad]

here let me say what ed can't say aloud:

 

cut out middleman gaben.

 

the sooner you support ed directly the better off you'll be.

your move.

Edited May 29, 2018 by probad

[crab]

Actually for me it isn't about playing the game or the money to buy in, it's about Steam having a much better off-line mode. I work abroad in places where there is no internet access and then also travel often. Steam simply makes it easier to live with a game.

[NineLine]

The way I understood it, when the FAQ was originally written was that 1 week discount on initial launch on STEAM was due to STEAM users not being able to pre-purchase and thus have same offer as standalone users.

 

I understand, it was stated to be a miscommunication... But I also understand why some STEAM users are not 100% pleased with this announcement.

 

Yet there are many that are very excited about the opportunity to buy it now, and if you look at it with an open mind, you can still wait for a sale and get it discounted with a wait if you prefer.

[NineLine]

The discount wasn't for "a long wait". It was for not being able to pre-order. As a compensation for not being able to pre-order on Steam, ED had said that the new map and Hornet would be discounted initially when it released on Steam. I realize that as of today ED has changed their wording, but it looks really bad to any Steam user who was excited about these modules or any future modules for that matter.

 

This discount was for a long wait, see above, Wags made a statement about this already. Also this is about the Hornet, the FAQ never covered any other products, including any maps.

 

Even reading the original wording, it was bracing the Steam users for a long wait. There is still much to do with the Hornet, and its possible they wouldnt have got it till a long time from now. So even this is better, because I would bet on a sale for it before a completed Hornet... not a promise, just a hunch.

[Woody01]

It would be great if you could still move the steam licences to standalone to pull more users to the standalone version. I do understand that some like to have all their games under one roof.

 

Our squadron is in this boat for sure, 80% are ED and one or two stuck on steam, if they could move their modules over they would but at this stage they are too heavily invested in steam to re buy all the modules that are not compatible.

[ndecaro]

This discount was for a long wait, see above, Wags made a statement about this already. Also this is about the Hornet, the FAQ never covered any other products, including any maps.

 

Even reading the original wording, it was bracing the Steam users for a long wait. There is still much to do with the Hornet, and its possible they wouldnt have got it till a long time from now. So even this is better, because I would bet on a sale for it before a completed Hornet... not a promise, just a hunch.

 

Here is a screenshot to refresh your memory. The discount was not for a "long wait", but for not being able to pre-order on Steam. Also, this "long wait" you keep talking about was arbitrary, and the fact that they are releasing both modules on Steam this Friday shows that. How can it be that these modules are in a good enough condition to sell to standalone users but not Steam users? That doesn't make sense. Now all the sudden they are in a good enough condition to sell to Steam users but with no discount? C'mon.

[tintifaxl]

YI don't think there was anything preventing ED from offering that same pre-order and discount to Steam users.

 

Please don't forget that Steam takes their cut of any purchase. Maybe that's preventing ED from giving a further discount.

 

If you plan to fly the F/A-18 seriously you will spend so much time with it, the +20 USD will not matter. Not at all. Or just wait for the sale that's going to happen eventually.

[Hotdognz]

We had originally planned to bring it to Steam customers after the Hornet was complete and out of Open Beta, which will take months. As a form of compensation, we had planned to provide the same discount as the e-Shop pre-purchase for the first week of Steam sales. After hearing from our Steam customers though, we understand it’s important to offer it without delay. As such, we will release the Hornet to our Steam users the same week as our e-Shop users. However, because of this, we can no longer offer the discount given the conditon of the discount no longer exists.

 

Wags I think this is a great decision and commend you for it, now we are all one client @ 2.5, Steam users deserve the same release schedules as none steam users, its about respect for the customer on both platforms and recognising we are all the same, I'm sure this will drive up sales on planes and terrains on the Steam platform.

 

Well done.

Hotdognz

[QuiGon]

Wags I think this is a great decision and commend you for it, now we are all one client @ 2.5, Steam users deserve the same release schedules as none steam users, its about respect for the customer on both platforms and recognising we are all the same, I'm sure this will drive up sales on planes and terrains on the Steam platform.

 

Well done.

Hotdognz

It might also drive up the negative reviews on steam if new users try the Hornet in it's early state and find that a lot of systems and are not working and weapons are not implemented, not even mentioning possible bugs they might encounter. Of course, it's the same with the standalone version, but unlike Steam there are no customer reviews here.

[Bullant]

It might also drive up the negative reviews on steam if new users try the Hornet in it's early state and find that a lot of systems and are not working and weapons are not implemented, not even mentioning possible bugs they might encounter. Of course, it's the same with the standalone version, but unlike Steam there are no customer reviews here.

 

And that's an incredibly good point.

 

Here in standalone world we know we are buy a pre-release 'Beta'.

 

I wonder how that will go down in the Steam world ...

[crab]

Early access is a common thing on steam with some games spending a year or more there, I think users get it just fine.

[beppe_goodoldrebel]

Actually on Steam many games are in pre-order (and with discount) , why is not possible to do it ?

I can even understand that the Steam version could cost more since its on a sale platform.

[madeiner]

Actually on Steam many games are in pre-order (and with discount) , why is not possible to do it ?

I can even understand that the Steam version could cost more since its on a sale platform.

 

I don't think DLC can be sold as pre-order on steam

[Bullant]

Early access is a common thing on steam with some games spending a year or more there, I think users get it just fine.

 

There is no concept of early access for steam DLC.

[Pikey]

This is a conscious decision by Steam users. They still have today to buy it from ED at discount. Moaning about it now, when they actually got their release date brought forward at request, is no use.

 

 

By the end of today, you either buy it from ED or say that Steam's distribution method is worth the extra price.

 

 

If Steam had this in discount/sale immediately, which they can't, it would render all the people who bought it from ED, wondering what the hell the EA pricing model was all about. And that's an exploitable situation so there really is only the solution that has been offered.

 

 

I feel so sorry for ED, trying their best to get it to people so fast, making changes for those that demanded it and then getting called out for not adhering to the rules that existed BEFORE that change was made.

 

 

Go ED. Steam isn't worth the hassle, the updater is pretty solid now for ED, you can add the exe to Steam anyway for tracking purposes, it's not worth the hassle.

[David OC]

This is a conscious decision by Steam users. They still have today to buy it from ED at discount. Moaning about it now, when they actually got their release date brought forward at request, is no use.

 

By the end of today, you either buy it from ED or say that Steam's distribution method is worth the extra price.

 

If Steam had this in discount/sale immediately, which they can't, it would render all the people who bought it from ED, wondering what the hell the EA pricing model was all about. And that's an exploitable situation so there really is only the solution that has been offered.

 

I feel so sorry for ED, trying their best to get it to people so fast, making changes for those that demanded it and then getting called out for not adhering to the rules that existed BEFORE that change was made.

 

Go ED. Steam isn't worth the hassle, the updater is pretty solid now for ED, you can add the exe to Steam anyway for tracking purposes, it's not worth the hassle.

 

 

Many steam users have to many modules now and just like how easy and organized having all on steam. It's a hard balance to get right with steam, other sim developers have these problems to. I'm guessing Steam is worth the hassle just for the exposure of the sim to the many Millions of steam users.

[beppe_goodoldrebel]

I don't think DLC can be sold as pre-order on steam

 

Not sure I can post a direct link of a Steam page...

 

Search for the Total War Warhammer II DLC The Queen & The Crone.

It will be released the 5/31 , you can purchase it now even in discount...

[iKyrThraad993i]

Quick question, With DCS F/A-18C release on Steam with the Persian Gulf Map does this mean it will be coming to DCS 2.5 Stable or is this a whole different thing?

 

Not sure if steam has Open Beta version of DCS World.

[QuiGon]

Quick question, With DCS F/A-18C release on Steam with the Persian Gulf Map does this mean it will be coming to DCS 2.5 Stable or is this a whole different thing?

 

Not sure if steam has Open Beta version of DCS World.

Whole different thing. I don't expect the update for the Stable before Wednesday next week at the earliest.

Steam has the Open Beta as well. It can be selected in the games properties.