33-DFTC Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 This is a DCS problem in fact, Razbam is not the only one creating current theater of operations for a 80/90's plane set. There are only two types of aircraft, fighters and targets. - Major Doyle "Wahoo" Nicholson, USMC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperEtendard Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Though I find a pretty serious disconnect between their plans for the Falklands and the advertised plane set. They said they want to do planes for the map, but those will come after it and it's still a long term project, they will first make the planes they have announced so far. The planned planes would be the Sea Harrier FRS 1, Mirage III, Super Etendard and IA-58 Pucará. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Well they havent annouced any of those planes.... helos would be nice too. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorseal Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 So, what radar is planned? H003 or H008? I believe (don't quote me) but I think it's the downgraded radar that cuban air force (DAAFAR) has on their MLAs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Well thats disappointing. But it makes sense if thats the mig-23 they have access to. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverStratos Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 I believe (don't quote me) but I think it's the downgraded radar that cuban air force (DAAFAR) has on their MLAs wrong.:) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) Well, that won't be real/fair, the MLA was way better than what the Libyans were flying. Though I find a pretty serious disconnect between their plans for the Falklands and the advertised plane set. Sure Soviet versions like the MLA are better, but honestly wont make much of a difference, the F14 still has all the advantages over such a model. Take the Syrian air force, they operated Mig21's and also various subset of Mig23's (which included ML and MLA), and during the 1982 lebanon war Syrian air force didn't score a single confirmed air kill against F15's or F16's. wheras Israelis basically were shooting fish in a barrel . A total of 85 confirmed A2A kills. F14's also scored multiple kills with Phoenix missiles against MIg23's in the Iran iraq war. Edited February 8, 2019 by Kev2go Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 wont make much of a difference, the F14 still has all the advantges over a Mig23. take the Syrian air force, they operated Mig21's and also various subset of Mig23's (which included ML), and during the 1982 lebanon war Syrian air force didn't score a single confirmed air kill against F15's or F16's. wheras Israelis basically were shooting fish in a barrel . A total of 85 confirmed A2A kills. F14's also scored multiple kills with Phoenix missiles against MIg23's in the Iran iraq war. Well 4th gen fighters cleaning up on gen2 and 3 fighters they were designed to kill wholesale isnt a real surprise. Its a shame we may get the export radar of the MLA though. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konovalov Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) Well 4th gen fighters cleaning up on gen2 and 3 fighters they were designed to kill wholesale isnt a real surprise. Its a shame we may get the export radar of the MLA though. See what on the Mig-23. Good luck Mig-23 pilots is all I can say. By the way I love the Aircrew Interview channel. :thumbup: Edited February 8, 2019 by Konovalov Intel i7-8700K | Asus Maximus X Formula | Corsair Vengeance 32GB DDR4 3200MHz | Gainward Phoenix GTX1070 GLH | Samsung 960 EVO NVMe 1 x 250GB OS & 1 x 500GB Games | Corsair RM750x 750W | Corsair Carbide Air 540| Win10 | Dell 27" 1440p 60Hz | Custom water loop: CPU EK-Supremacy EVO, GPU EK-GTX JetStream - Acetal+Nickel & Backplate, Radiator EK-Coolstream PE 360, Pump & Res EK-XRES 140 Revo D5, Fans 3 x EK-Vardar 120mm & 2 x Corsair ML140 140mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 The Mig-23 used in the 4477th in Tonopah were Mig-23MS a very much downgraded version of the Russian Mig-23M. No IRST, no R-23, RP-22SM Radar and only R-3S/R and R-60 missiles and very poor BFM perfomance. The ML-MLA versions were much better, with a redesign of the airframe, reduced weight, less drag and better aerodynamics rated to 8.5G, better engine with more thrust/weight ratio and overall better maneuverability. Also the radar was improved, R-24 missiles added, better HUD and ECM resistance. The best BFM Mig-23 was the Mig-23MLD of course, with improved AoA handling, vortex generators in the wings and pitot boom, better FCS, avionics and radar. So a Mig-23MS cant BFM better than a F-111 but a MLA-MLD is a completly different thing. Is like comparing the Mig-21F from 4477th with the last Mig-21Bis variants. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 wrong.:) So which radar will it be? New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Well 4th gen fighters cleaning up on gen2 and 3 fighters they were designed to kill wholesale isnt a real surprise. Its a shame we may get the export radar of the MLA though. according to 1 of the devs that responded just a few posts above that isn't the case for the Mig233MLA model even if it originates from a one in use by Cuba. Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 The Mig-23 used in the 4477th in Tonopah were Mig-23MS a very much downgraded version of the Russian Mig-23M. No IRST, no R-23, RP-22SM Radar and only R-3S/R and R-60 missiles and very poor BFM perfomance. The ML-MLA versions were much better, with a redesign of the airframe, reduced weight, less drag and better aerodynamics rated to 8.5G, better engine with more thrust/weight ratio and overall better maneuverability. Also the radar was improved, R-24 missiles added, better HUD and ECM resistance. The best BFM Mig-23 was the Mig-23MLD of course, with improved AoA handling, vortex generators in the wings and pitot boom, better FCS, avionics and radar. So a Mig-23MS cant BFM better than a F-111 but a MLA-MLD is a completly different thing. Is like comparing the Mig-21F from 4477th with the last Mig-21Bis variants. Yup. Exactly this. Its like comparing an early gen f16A to block whatever F16C. And I wish they did the MLD but access is probably the issue. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 according to 1 of the devs that responded just a few posts above that isn't the case for the Mig233MLA model even if it originates from a one in use by Cuba. Yeah, just saw that, my hopes are high once again. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konovalov Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Yup. Exactly this. Its like comparing an early gen f16A to block whatever F16C. And I wish they did the MLD but access is probably the issue. Thanks guys, that is very interesting. Intel i7-8700K | Asus Maximus X Formula | Corsair Vengeance 32GB DDR4 3200MHz | Gainward Phoenix GTX1070 GLH | Samsung 960 EVO NVMe 1 x 250GB OS & 1 x 500GB Games | Corsair RM750x 750W | Corsair Carbide Air 540| Win10 | Dell 27" 1440p 60Hz | Custom water loop: CPU EK-Supremacy EVO, GPU EK-GTX JetStream - Acetal+Nickel & Backplate, Radiator EK-Coolstream PE 360, Pump & Res EK-XRES 140 Revo D5, Fans 3 x EK-Vardar 120mm & 2 x Corsair ML140 140mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester986 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 If I can hunt bugs in the 21 I can hunt cats in the 23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magot Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 The Cuban 23's (export MiG-23ML) had a radar type Sapfir-23MLAE N-003E Ametist, HUD ASP-17ML But regular Mig-23 which used USSR or Czechoslovakia user "full version" Sapfir-23MLA / N-003 Ametist which included "БС" modes - БСI, БСII, БСIII radar modes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magot Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 The Cuban 23's (export MiG-23ML) had a radar type Sapfir-23MLAE N-003E Ametist, HUD ASP-17ML original Mig-23 which used USSR used "full version" Sapfir-23MLA / N-003 Ametist which included "БС" modes - БСI, БСII, БСIII radar modes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 The Cuban 23's (export MiG-23ML) had a radar type Sapfir-23MLAE N-003E Ametist, HUD ASP-17ML But regular Mig-23 which used USSR or Czechoslovakia user "full version" Sapfir-23MLA / N-003 Ametist which included "БС" modes - БСI, БСII, БСIII radar modes. What are those radar modes for us non cyrillic readers? New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dehuman Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 (edited) What are those radar modes for us non cyrillic readers? Б = B, С = S. What it stands for I'm not so sure. But I found this The early ML had a radar ed. 324ML and an MLA H-003 installed and what's the difference? There are simply no advanced detection and selection modes for a target against the background of the earth and in radio contrast clouds in the conditions of active and passive interference of the BSI, BSII, BSIII. Edited February 9, 2019 by Dehuman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratos Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Why you guys are talking about Cuban MiG's all the time? What is the connection between Cuban DAAFAR and Razbam? I don't understand anything in russian except Davai Davai! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Exulte Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 I think the MiG they physically have access to is Cuban Note : there's a couple airworthy 23s near where I live. No idea what versions they are, though Де вороги, знайдуться козаки їх перемогти. 5800x3d * 3090 * 64gb * Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted February 10, 2019 ED Team Share Posted February 10, 2019 The Team working the MiG is located in Cuba I believe so makes sense. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streakeagle Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 I don't know if this link will work, but here is info on MiG-23ML modes: https://sites.google.com/site/sovietaircrafttech/mig-23/n003e/modes [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratos Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 The Team working the MiG is located in Cuba I believe so makes sense. Pretty interesting. Thanks for the update. I don't understand anything in russian except Davai Davai! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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