M-2000C Mid-life Overhaul

[Dehuman]

Some people should remember that their mother did not make them in a hurry (yes?).

 

No, but their father probably did :megalol:

[Schmidtfire]

I think more or less everyone on ED forums are very patient compared to other games or sim titles. Some like to think that DCS does entitle a form of "holy grail freepass" where players are supposed to fork over 60-70$ and be quiet and grateful if bugs are eventually fixed.

The majority of DCS users are well behaved and giving constructive criticism all things considered. English forums are (in general) well moderated nowdays. The russian side actually has a much "tougher" climate.

[Boris]

I have a feeling that the people who, before a module is released, are like "release it already", "when is the release date???", "release it now!" are the very same people that complain about modules not being finished... "How about you stop developing modules before they're finished!"

[33-DFTC]

I don't share your feeling.

 

Most of the members I see (rightfully) complaining are the ones really involved into mastering their plane. I still fly the Mirage exclusively and the last few patches have been really annoying to say the least.

 

People with multiple planes can always switch to another plane when they're getting bored for whatever reason, but some of us are "stuck" with the chaotic developement of their plane.

[Thump]

I have a feeling that the people who, before a module is released, are like "release it already", "when is the release date???", "release it now!" are the very same people that complain about modules not being finished... "How about you stop developing modules before they're finished!"

 

Still wasn't finished when they did declare it complete.

[rrohde]

... and the engine sound. Please replace the current engine sound with something better. Thanks. :)

[sushy73]

... and the engine sound. Please replace the current engine sound with something better. Thanks. :)

 

Watermanpc have made a great mod for that.

It would be cool if Razbam include it in the module.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3212855/

Edited February 6, 2019 by sushy73

[paradox64]

The Mirage is awesome... I have all modern aircrafts and spend 95% of flights with it. So beautiful, so maneuverable. Sadly we can't have MICA to balance with others ones...

And a great THANK YOU to developers ! I remember the first release (I was so happy !) and you did a fantastic job since.

Last thing, I also actually run the sound mod to change after 2 year but the original sound is clearly most close to real M2000. I think a mix of two should be the best

Edited February 12, 2019 by paradox64

[DonJosh]

what does "external model updated" exactly mean in today's changelog? would be nice to have more infos about it.

[zcrazyx]

with the change in the weapons control panel can we expect new weapons?

[myHelljumper]

with the change in the weapons control panel can we expect new weapons?

 

Except the BAP-100 the 2000C did not carry any other weapons than what we have in the game now.

[ZHeN]

but wait how about Mica-IR and Exocet !!!!!1

[jojo]

but wait how about Mica-IR and Exocet !!!!!1

 

:megalol:

 

You’re kidding, aren’t you ?

[ZHeN]

man this section is going round and round

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

man this section is going round and round

 

Time to break out the Dead or alive cassettes, then.

 

[ZHeN]

First updates will be available in January 2019.

It's 1st of March.

Mirage has received a couple of updates, but none of those were for the systems. Are there any news about MLO?

[Voodoo_One]

It's 1st of March.

Mirage has received a couple of updates, but none of those were for the systems. Are there any news about MLO?

Asked that myself this week. But I am waiting for the Update today and lets see then...

[D4n]

Hopefully we'll see the TWS bugfix by mid-march.

[Boris]

Come on. Their focus is on the most boring module to drop into dcs ever.

 

You mean the MiG-19??? Mot even close to the most boring module. Many people are looking forward to it

 

 

#nextvaeo

 

That's just harsh.

[Wacko_ZA]

You mean the MiG-19??? Mot even close to the most boring module. Many people are looking forward to it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's just harsh.

 

 

 

Let me clarify, we already have the mig 15, the first mass produced jet mig, and the more advanced mig 21 that is multirole and its rain might span close to a century.

I understand that the dev team of the particular mig is a sub division of razbam and this is their first product, but it a dull module, offering very little that is not covered by the 2 other aircraft from other stables. It has no real suitable adversary, and currently doesn’t really have a spot in dcs.

Something like a mig 23 would be much better suited to DCS.

 

Point 2: razbam’s recent escapades on social media are well documented, as well as not having a single feature complete product on the market.

A long string of promises were made, none have come to fruition to date. The MLO for the mirage has been promised for close to a year yet we see little to no movement on a product that is quite old now.

Yet module after module is being teased and bragged about. A real sausage machine.

 

But this is just my opinion and you are well within your rights to disagree.

 

I for one (owning all other modules) will not be purchasing another razbam product until their ways change, and they finish a product.

 

 

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[Voodoo_One]

I for one (owning all other modules) will not be purchasing another razbam product until their ways change, and they finish a product.

+1 - I will buy it first, when the reviews are good and its on sale and AFTER my beloved M2000 is finally patched / got its well deserved MLO

[Charly_Owl]

Let me clarify, we already have the mig 15, the first mass produced jet mig, and the more advanced mig 21 that is multirole and its rain might span close to a century.

 

Because you don't find it interesting doesn't mean everyone thinks the same. Is the Super Sabre anything close to the Sabre?

 

No sir. The MiG-15 and MiG-19 may look similar but they are nowhere near identical. You're comparing a sub-sonic aircraft with a supersonic one, which is a whole different ball game when it comes to aerodynamics. The cockpits may look similar, but once again they are much different under the hood.

 

For me, the MiG-19 fills a gap in a period in aviation where designs were still experimental and aircraft were temperamental to the point where pilots died on a regular basis just flying them. Among the interceptor speed craze of the 60's, the Farmer in itself is an interesting concept: use the manoeuverability of a MiG-15 and add supersonic capabilities with afterburning engines. The Americans learned the hard way in Vietnam that the MiG-17 could still bite after all.

 

So... for me, the MiG-19 is a completely unique product and I am eager to get some stick time in it.

[ac5]

Let me clarify, we already have the mig 15, the first mass produced jet mig, and the more advanced mig 21 that is multirole and its rain might span close to a century.

I understand that the dev team of the particular mig is a sub division of razbam and this is their first product, but it a dull module, offering very little that is not covered by the 2 other aircraft from other stables. It has no real suitable adversary, and currently doesn’t really have a spot in dcs.

Something like a mig 23 would be much better suited to DCS.

 

Point 2: razbam’s recent escapades on social media are well documented, as well as not having a single feature complete product on the market.

A long string of promises were made, none have come to fruition to date. The MLO for the mirage has been promised for close to a year yet we see little to no movement on a product that is quite old now.

Yet module after module is being teased and bragged about. A real sausage machine.

 

But this is just my opinion and you are well within your rights to disagree.

 

I for one (owning all other modules) will not be purchasing another razbam product until their ways change, and they finish a product.

 

 

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Completely agree! :thumbup:

[Snappy]

Agree as well,

 

not happy at all with the way things are being handled by Razbam.Will not buy further products until something seriously changes and the Mirage gets its MLO which is long overdue.

Also despite the various official statements to the contrary I don‘t buy the

-multiple, separate developement teams- argument at all.

 

 

 

 

It seems to me they are already bogged down completely with the modules they released so far , no to speak of the tons of stuff they tout coming down the pipeline.Really cant see them delivering on all of that in a professional complete manner.

 

 

Contrary to what stated in their videos in regard to „ the Mirage was there first...so it gets updated/overhauled first..“ we now see system work done on the AV-8 and the mirage again, nothing but cosmetic optics..

 

 

Sorry if this seems like a ranting , but really am disappointed by Razbam right now .

Of course in the end its their business model and they can proceed as they like but I will not be buying in the future unless their released modules get finally fixed.

 

 

Regards,

 

 

Snappy

Edited March 1, 2019 by Snappy

[Flummi]

Agree as well,

 

not happy at all with the way things are being handled by Razbam.Will not buy further products until something seriously changes and the Mirage gets its MLO which is long overdue.

Also despite the various official statements to the contrary I don‘t buy the

-multiple, separate developement teams- argument at all.

 

 

 

 

It seems to me they are already bogged down completely with the modules they released so far , no to speak of the tons of stuff they tout coming down the pipeline.Really cant see them delivering on all of that in a professional complete manner.

 

 

Contrary to what stated in their videos in regard to „ the Mirage was there first...so it gets updated/overhauled first..“ we now see system work done on the AV-8 and the mirage again, nothing but cosmetic optics..

 

 

Sorry if this seems like a ranting , but really am disappointed by Razbam right now .

Of course in the end its their business model and they can proceed as they like but I will not be buying in the future unless their released modules get finally fixed.

 

 

Regards,

 

 

Snappy

 

+1 ---> same for me