DonJosh Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 Hello Guys, maybe my questions is already answered somewhere, but i can't find it. Why we get the B-Model first? Normally it would be make more sense, when we get the A-Model first. Maybe the Devs or someone can answer my question. Thank you :) regards Josh
Nodak Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 Logical guess, there were more guys with B model experience involved with it's creation, and more deeper research is required for the A, it's been longer since it's been operational.
DonJosh Posted March 24, 2019 Author Posted March 24, 2019 Logical guess, there were more guys with B model experience involved with it's creation, and more deeper research is required for the A, it's been longer since it's been operational.Make sense. Thanks Gesendet von meinem BLA-L29 mit Tapatalk
probad Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 tf-30 with its issues is more difficult to model than the reliable f-110 computers dont work like real life unlike the real world, physics have to be coded in and the more primitive something is the harder it is to code for this is also why cloth and wire ww1 aircraft are actually more complicated to model correctly than jets, and why analogue is harder to model than digital you need to realize that complex physical interactions with the environment also constitute systems just as much as electronic boxes "simple" systems irl are only simple because they offload more of their mechanisms into the existing environment
fishermanivan Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 Also, it's far and away a better jet, and IMO works better with the other modules. It's a shame we won't get a -D though. That would be a tour de force in DCS.
Airhunter Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 Also, it's far and away a better jet, and IMO works better with the other modules. It's a shame we won't get a -D though. That would be a tour de force in DCS. Quite frankly, I don't even want the -D. It's just crammed with digital displays, an extra HUD and has DFCS. Way less fun than the analogues beasts that are the -A and -B.
Shimmergloom667 Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 Quite frankly, I don't even want the -D. It's just crammed with digital displays, an extra HUD and has DFCS. Way less fun than the analogues beasts that are the -A and -B. And there you just counted the reasons why I'd prefer the D. Not saying I don't like the B, though :D i7 - 9700K | 32 GB DDR4 3200 | RTX 2080 | VKB Gunfighter Mk II /w MCG Pro | Virpil T-50CM2 Throttle | TrackIR 5 | VKB Mk. IV AJS-37 | A/V-8B | A-10C | F-14A/B | F-16C | F-18C | F-86F | FC3 | JF-17 | Ka-50 | L-39 | Mi-8 | MiG-15bis | MiG-19 | MiG-21bis | M2000-C | P-51D | Spitfire LF Mk. IX | UH-1H
mkosmo Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 Quite frankly, I don't even want the -D. It's just crammed with digital displays, an extra HUD and has DFCS. Way less fun than the analogues beasts that are the -A and -B. While it may not be your cup of tea, no reason to try to shit on those who want newer, cooler toys.
fishermanivan Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 Quite frankly, I don't even want the -D. It's just crammed with digital displays, an extra HUD and has DFCS. Way less fun than the analogues beasts that are the -A and -B. Might be less fun, I agree, but it's a super capable aircraft. To the point where the Navy probably still doesn't have anything as capable as it was. It could've got AMRAAM. And JDAM. There was room to go with it. Alas... :(
GVO Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 Quite frankly, I don't even want the -D. It's just crammed with digital displays, an extra HUD and has DFCS. Way less fun than the analogues beasts that are the -A and -B. Before trying the B, I was sure I would have loved the -D but agree with above. I love the current model :)
Nosferatuwhisky 1-1 Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 Logical guess, there were more guys with B model experience involved with it's creation, and more deeper research is required for the A, it's been longer since it's been operational. That is actually highly inaccurate, most squadrons never got the B, and some went from the A to the D. Majority of squadrons stayed with the A. "Chops"
Airhunter Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 While it may not be your cup of tea, no reason to try to shit on those who want newer, cooler toys. Not shitting on anything here, just stating an opinion. I would definitely "love" the -D if Heatblur decided to do one from a capability standpoint but i'd rather have them spend time and resources on say the A-6 or any other aircraft. You need to also remember that the -D had a different RADAR, IRST (if I recll correctly), lots of new systems in terms of the LCD displays and so on. While the -A and -B only mostly differ in the engines, the -D is a whole different beast.
shagrat Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 Might be less fun, I agree, but it's a super capable aircraft. To the point where the Navy probably still doesn't have anything as capable as it was. It could've got AMRAAM. And JDAM. There was room to go with it. Alas... :(It did get JDAM... Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore)
Swordsman422 Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 As accurately as they modeled the Tomcat, I cannot imagine the amount of screaming over how difficult the A would be to fly with those horrid TF30 engines flaming out and compressor stalling from being flown too hard. I'm glad we got the B first. It's my favorite variant. Sure, only 9 fleet squadrons ever flew it, but 3 of those squadrons are in my top 5 favorites.
shagrat Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 So did the B....but not our B. The late upgraded ones with GPS integration, etc. Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore)
shagrat Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 ;3856104']That is actually highly inaccurate' date=' most squadrons never got the B, and some went from the A to the D. Majority of squadrons stayed with the A.[/quote']He was not inaccurate. He said "Involved in the development"... ;) Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore)
Swordsman422 Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 The Bs got the JDAM before the Ds did. Bs dropped the first JDAM in anger from a Tomcat. VF-11 I think did it. If we did get a D, it would probably be from the same period as our B, so JDAM would be off the table then, too.
mwlue Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 Another F-14 sim 25 years ago simply ditched the A. lulz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleet_Defender Quote from the article: "The game features exclusively the F-14B version of the aircraft, even in scenarios where it constitutes an anachronism, because the developers found that flying the original underpowered F-14A was very unforgiving and "not much fun" for a commercial flight simulator." :megalol:
Top Jockey Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) Another F-14 sim 25 years ago simply ditched the A. lulz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleet_Defender Quote from the article: "The game features exclusively the F-14B version of the aircraft, even in scenarios where it constitutes an anachronism, because the developers found that flying the original underpowered F-14A was very unforgiving and "not much fun" for a commercial flight simulator." :megalol: Yep interesting detail - and they said it "without pimples", but one must also see their reasons. 25 years ago, the market for this genre of sims was somewhat different. The costumer/enthusiast was not so knowledgeable (as today), about the aircrafts characteristics. And as such, I imagine a big part of them would not understand or find much amusing an engine stalling frequently, or not providing the energy for the average guy to win a turning fight. (Besides "some" realism, I believe the costumers of that time were also very focused in the "mission/objective acomplishment" when they bought flight sims.) Which means, today there are probably much more people wanting a realistic F-14 (no matter how difficult to fly and employ), than there were 25 years ago. So at that time, the companies couldn't push the realism / difficulty bar too high, otherwise they might be throwing away a big part of the costumer$$$. Edited March 25, 2019 by Top Jockey Jets Helis Maps FC 3 JA 37 Ka-50 Caucasus F-14 A/B MiG-23 Mi-8 MTV2 Nevada F-16 C MiG-29 F/A-18 C Mirage III E MiG-21 bis Mirage 2000 C i7-4790 K , 16 GB DDR3 , GTX 1660 Ti 6GB , Samsung 860 QVO 1TB
viper2097 Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 My personal guess would be, that people flying their sooooo beloved aircraft for the first time in their life in a realistic way with the underpowered and problematical A Version, they would probably be disappointed. So we have now a real musscle car with plenty of power and everyone is happy. Steam user - Youtube I am for quality over quantity in DCS modules
Top Jockey Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 My personal guess would be, that people flying their sooooo beloved aircraft for the first time in their life in a realistic way with the underpowered and problematical A Version, they would probably be disappointed. So we have now a real musscle car with plenty of power and everyone is happy. For many people (uninformed), yes certainly. I see you also have the F-14, what's your impressions so far ? Jets Helis Maps FC 3 JA 37 Ka-50 Caucasus F-14 A/B MiG-23 Mi-8 MTV2 Nevada F-16 C MiG-29 F/A-18 C Mirage III E MiG-21 bis Mirage 2000 C i7-4790 K , 16 GB DDR3 , GTX 1660 Ti 6GB , Samsung 860 QVO 1TB
RustBelt Posted March 26, 2019 Posted March 26, 2019 tf-30 with its issues is more difficult to model than the reliable f-110 Also the F-110 was needed ASAP for the F-16 being developed.
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