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[Airbuster]

Come on guys!

 

Who would like to play FC A-10A when there is something like DCS: A-10C Warthog? :huh:

I will. I hate the complexity of DCS series and all that "reading manuals for hours" thing. This virtual clickology is pure nonsense for me. There are far more better things in life than wasting hours of your precious time to learn how to switch the buttons right in your virtual cockpit. All that matters for me in a flight sim is the flight model and some good visuals so I can feel I'm like in a real aircraft. Usually I fly fast jets but from time to time I like getting in the A-10A's pit and bomb the **** on the ground with it's slow speed handling capability.

 

I will also like to fly A-10C in FC3 environment, modeled in the same simplistic way as the A-10A.

 

Also I would love to see the F/A-18C and F-16C in a future FC/Lock-On sequel. For every Russian fighter plane there will be an American counterpart.

 

Mig-29 - F-16

Su-27 - F-15

Su-33 - F/A-18

Su-25 - A-10A

Su-25T - A-10C

Edited November 17, 2011 by Airbuster

[Boberro]

A-10A's place is in FC. End of topic :)

[159th_Viper]

 

I will also like to fly A-10C in FC3 environment, modeled in the same simplistic way as the A-10A.

 

Now that will not happen :)

 

FC3 is coming to swim in DCS's pool and not the other way round. As such, the C-model will definitely not be dumbed down to A standards. You are however free to change the settings to Game Avionics Mode etc etc. C-model is eminently scalable.

[falcon_120]

I will. I hate the complexity of DCS series and all that "reading manuals for hours" thing. This virtual clickology is pure nonsense for me. There are far more better things in life than wasting hours of your precious time to learn how to switch the buttons right in your virtual cockpit. All that matters for me in a flight sim is the flight model and some good visuals so I can feel I'm like in a real aircraft. Usually I fly fast jets but from time to time I like getting in the A-10A's pit and bomb the **** on the ground with it's slow speed handling capability.

 

I will also like to fly A-10C in FC3 environment, modeled in the same simplistic way as the A-10A.

 

Also I would love to see the F/A-18C and F-16C in a future FC/Lock-On sequel. For every Russian fighter plane there will be an American counterpart.

 

Mig-29 - F-16

Su-27 - F-15

Su-33 - F/A-18

Su-25 - A-10A

Su-25T - A-10C

 

 

Actually,you don't need hours of reading,just to know all the functions in your hotas(not more than a day if you have played games like falcon) to make almost everything you need to blow things :).

The training mission are very helpful here.

[jmod]

Also I would love to see the F/A-18C and F-16C in a future FC/Lock-On sequel. For every Russian fighter plane there will be an American counterpart.

 

Mig-29 - F-16

Su-27 - F-15

Su-33 - F/A-18

Su-25 - A-10A

Su-25T - A-10C

 

I'd love to see this counterpart thing!

 

A-10A's place is in FC. End of topic

 

Of course the topic is not A-10A's place, It's about F/A-18C and Carriers Operation's in FC Sequel!

[Ryback]

Come on guys!

 

Who would like to play FC A-10A when there is something like DCS: A-10C Warthog? :huh:

 

PS: hey EtherealN, you just closed my thread before I had the aportunity to defend myself! :(

I didn't say using Outerra, I said having features like Outerra!

 

Me!! Who does not have time to "master" A-10C instead put lgbs on A and fly...I can imagine there hundreds like me.. And why ED should take out the A-10A from FC? Are they incapable to create new slots for a flyable? You are really brilliant.. :D

[elchacal]

A-10A's place is in FC. End of topic :)

 

I Agree.. :thumbup:

[Boberro]

Of course the topic is not A-10A's place, It's about F/A-18C and Carriers Operation's in FC Sequel!

 

But I read you would like to replace Warthog by F-18? Right or I understood it wrong?

[GGTharos]

Borchi, not only do you know what you're talking about, you're also not the only one who has access to pilots. The difference is that those pilots either don't tell you anything, or you don't understand what they're telling you.

 

I'm not going to argue with you - there's no point in arguing with someone who doesn't want to do their due diligence and invest in some very basic research.

 

Here's a bit of help for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-Doppler_radar

 

It's only Wikipedia, but even what's there right now is probably way too much for you. I don't think you're ready for something like the Radar Handbook at the moment.

 

On the other hand, maybe one of the number of pilots who are actually participating on this forum will set you straight, though I doubt they have any desire to get involved. One way or another, the radars work correctly and won't be changing.

 

PS: And if you're talking about track drop due to aspect change when in a look-up situation where the notch is not a factor, I doubt this will change either and it isn't terribly important anyway since at long ranges it makes no difference, and at short ranges you don't drop lock anyway. It'd be nice if you actually knew what it is you're talking about so you could say which effect it is you think is wrong.

Edited November 17, 2011 by GGTharos

[Medic88]

I will. I hate the complexity of DCS series and all that "reading manuals for hours" thing. This virtual clickology is pure nonsense for me. There are far more better things in life than wasting hours of your precious time to learn how to switch the buttons right in your virtual cockpit. All that matters for me in a flight sim is the flight model and some good visuals so I can feel I'm like in a real aircraft. Usually I fly fast jets but from time to time I like getting in the A-10A's pit and bomb the **** on the ground with it's slow speed handling capability.

 

I will also like to fly A-10C in FC3 environment, modeled in the same simplistic way as the A-10A.

 

Also I would love to see the F/A-18C and F-16C in a future FC/Lock-On sequel. For every Russian fighter plane there will be an American counterpart.

 

Mig-29 - F-16

Su-27 - F-15

Su-33 - F/A-18

Su-25 - A-10A

Su-25T - A-10C

This is a flight sim and your supposed to be a flight sim fan.

Get with the times and learn to play sims the way they should be

Sim= Simulation. Google that word and please let us know its meaning

[EtherealN]

modern radars, which are used at the date 2000, they can for sure compute the dopplereffect.

 

Yes, that's what they do. They compare the doppler of each contact with that of the general background. Whenever something has the same return as the background, defined as "everything I'm seeing", it gets filtered out as part of the background - that is, due to the doppler similarity, the system believes the return is part of the returns it's getting from Planet Earth.

 

THAT is the 'notch'. It's when you maneuver in such a way as to make your doppler return be equal to - or close enough - to that of the returns coming from Planet Earth that while the radar technically does see you, the computers think you are part of the planet. Better radars have a smaller "notch" - that is, you have to be more precisely on the same return - but it's still there.

 

This is a fundamental part in how radars operate. Having a bigger or smaller RCS is irrelevant here, what is relevant is how your return compares in wavelength to that of the background.

 

The whole "computing the dopplereffect" is not magic - it's specifically the thing that allows look-down detection and tracking at all. What they do is that they filter out the ground clutter, and when you enter the "notch" the radar will think you are part of this ground clutter simply because your doppler shift (if any) is so similar to that of Planet Earth. ;)

[falcon_120]

Hey borchi calm down ;) don't take it personal :) we're just discussing like grown up people.

It is just how airbone radar work in look down situations,not because we want it that way but because it is how actual radars work.

[104th_Cobra]

Anyway, we need new stuff added to the F-15C. 120D please, with duplex datalink. That way we can do away with the easymode options in the GUI menu and just add a line in the manual 'for "Easymode" select F-15C'.

 

:P

 

:megalol:

[Drona]

Processor upgrades, missile warning systems, IRST, two-way data-links for missiles, upgraded data-link capabilities, new cockpit, JHMCS, etc. It would out-radar, out-range, out-shoot, out-run, out-irst, out-datalink and out-HMS you. I guarantee you'd end up complaining ;)

 

As I said earlier "bring it on" and include your AESA radar upgrades for the F-15C but also do include the necessary upgrades for the Su-27/33, MiG-29S as they are IRL for them.

 

If you want a level playing field, put the same plane on both sides and nothing else. A 'level playing field' is for competitions. Want air combat? Try to use your aircraft to its strengths, and deal with its weaknesses.

 

I do know how to use my aircrafts strengths and weakness to my advantage and I can hold my own against the F-15C. It's just that when you know that aircrafts like the Su-27 and MiG-29S do have TWS capability IRL and not in the game and you also know very well that the opponents (F-15Cs) have the same capabilities as their real life counterparts, it sort of sucks.. big time.. not be able to use full or at least some basic capability of the aircraft radar.

 

That's probably your fault, not theirs. I can dodge TWS+AIM-120 all day long.

 

Do you just turn and run? Is that the way you do it. ;):pilotfly: because honestly I can't see anyone dodging more than two or even three well-directed or well-timed AIM-120 shots in any other way other than of course extending and then reengaging.

 

Sorry, I call BS on this. Having SARH alone makes things a bit harder, but doesn't necessarily teach you anything more useful or make you a better pilot.

 

I'm sorry that you disagree but only when things are harder that it can be learnt better. BTW, it does give you better SA and also better instinct and a pilot with a better SA always wins.

 

I can give you a really hard time with either type, but I'll always choose the 120's because - guess what? - That's what the real F-15C is all about.

 

Then why does the Lock on Su-27 not have TWS+R-77 included and please don't tell me that ED chose to simulate the S model which does not have that capability. (I mean why chose that model? Is it because of cost and time constraints or is it something else) Okay....forget the Su-27, why does the MiG-29S not have multi-target engagment capability. The real MiG-29S has it.

 

One you drop the lonewolf mentality and start dealing with team flying (not to mention tactics to counter an F-15C + TWS), you'll find dealing with F-15's a little easier.

 

I know and I've done that already. The 51st squad has proved it many times too.

 

I doubt that. Anyway, I don't see why you'd want it ... you'd just be easy pickings for air superiority fighters who used a bit of team-play.

 

I don't think so... if the MiG-31 is used in the right way it can cause headaches to many team players.

 

PS: I'm not complaining or finding fault with anything or anyone. I like the game as it is and I'm just pointing out on things that can be improved in the game for the next release. After all, this is a WISH LIST isn't it.

[GGTharos]

It's just that when you know that aircrafts like the Su-27 and MiG-29S do have TWS capability IRL

 

They don't. The Su-27S/P (which is modeled in the game) does not have this capabily except as an SA-enhancing mode. The MiG-29S you're right there, it should be able to do 2TWS but the devs did not know how it was mechanized IRL.

 

and not in the game and you also know very well that the opponents (F-15Cs) have the same capabilities as their real life counterparts

 

No, they don't. The F-15C's actually lack a lot of basic capabilities, and TWS was actually something that made them very different from their Russian counterparts.

 

Do you just turn and run? Is that the way you do it. ;):pilotfly: because honestly I can't see anyone dodging more than two or even three well-directed or well-timed AIM-120 shots in any other way other than of course extending and then reengaging.

 

Nope, I notch'em, and re-engage, getting closer each time - or at least, I -can- do it this way. It really depends on my goals and my wingman. If I need to hold a piece of airspace, I don't need to be too agressive. You need to be really agressive only if your opponent knows what he's doing and is also very agressive. You tailor tactics to the situation. Sometimes turning around is the way to go, sometimes not. This is also possible for a flanker, you just have to wait a little longer and be sure your missile missed ;)

 

I'm sorry that you disagree but only when things are harder that it can be learnt better. BTW, it does give you better SA and also better instinct and a pilot with a better SA always wins.

 

Not really. All basic piloting skills are the same to employ and defeat both types of missiles. Yes, active missiles will help a less skilled pilot - but only to a point. As a skilled pilot, it shouldn't make any difference to you unless you meet another skilled pilot.

 

 

Then why does the Lock on Su-27 not have TWS+R-77 included and please don't tell me that ED chose to simulate the S model which does not have that capability.

 

This is exactly why, and the reason is that they had the manual for it.

 

Okay....forget the Su-27, why does the MiG-29S not have multi-target engagment capability. The real MiG-29S has it.

 

Yep, it should have 2-TWS, but no one knew how it looked. In a lot of cases it was said/assumed that it wasn't real 2-TWS but launch one R-77, let it go active, then launch another at a different target. Now they know a little more, but really - the 29S is a variant about which little is known.

 

I don't think so... if the MiG-31 is used in the right way it can cause headaches to many team players.

 

It's main target is bombers and cruise missiles, not fighters. Fighters can give a MiG-31 headaches more easily than the other way around under most circumstances.

 

PS: I'm not complaining or finding fault with anything or anyone. I like the game as it is and I'm just pointing out on things that can be improved in the game for the next release. After all, this is a WISH LIST isn't it.

 

Yep, but then ask for a Su-27SM at least. That would work better, as well as something like a MiG-29SMT1.

 

You won't see any R-77's on a 27S.

[Drona]

They don't. The Su-27S/P (which is modeled in the game) does not have this capabily except as an SA-enhancing mode. The MiG-29S you're right there, it should be able to do 2TWS but the devs did not know how it was mechanized IRL.

 

I agree about the SA-enhancing mode on 27S. About the MiG-29S, I thought that ED guys had contact with real life russian fighter pilots. (Did I read it wrong somewhere on this forum or are these pilots not shown the real MiG-29S radar)

 

Nope, I notch'em, and re-engage, getting closer each time - or at least, I -can- do it this way. It really depends on my goals and my wingman. If I need to hold a piece of airspace, I don't need to be too agressive. You need to be really agressive only if your opponent knows what he's doing and is also very agressive. You tailor tactics to the situation. Sometimes turning around is the way to go, sometimes not. This is also possible for a flanker, you just have to wait a little longer and be sure your missile missed ;)

 

Yep, that's one way of doing it but as you say it really depends on the situation. :thumbup:

 

 

Yep, it should have 2-TWS, but no one knew how it looked. In a lot of cases it was said/assumed that it wasn't real 2-TWS but launch one R-77, let it go active, then launch another at a different target. Now they know a little more, but really - the 29S is a variant about which little is known.

 

Now I respect the Russians even more.... Man can they keep stuff secret. :smilewink:

 

 

Yep, but then ask for a Su-27SM at least. That would work better, as well as something like a MiG-29SMT1.

 

Okay then... scratch my earlier request. ED please upgrade the current Su-27S to Su-27SM, MiG-29S to MiG-29SMT, and Su-33 to Su-33K.

 

The last one will probably not happen but I would be happy with the same radar of the Su-27SM.

[GGTharos]

I agree about the SA-enhancing mode on 27S. About the MiG-29S, I thought that ED guys had contact with real life russian fighter pilots. (Did I read it wrong somewhere on this forum or are these pilots not shown the real MiG-29S radar)

 

Now I respect the Russians even more.... Man can they keep stuff secret.

 

How much do you know about what the F-22 or F-35 radar displays really look like? Or even that of an F-15 pre-AESA?

The MiG-29S is simply a rare variant that was left in the dust at some point. Furthermore, realistically speaking, R-77's were not purchased for it IIRC. You should be flying it with R-27's ;)

 

Okay then... scratch my earlier request. ED please upgrade the current Su-27S to Su-27SM, MiG-29S to MiG-29SMT, and Su-33 to Su-33K.

 

The last one will probably not happen but I would be happy with the same radar of the Su-27SM.

 

No, the Su-33K is something not much is known about. Same with the Golden Eagle. Try finding pictures of either cockpit ...

[borchi_2b]

well GG tharos, when you know for sure that the r77 were not opurchased for the mig29c, when you really have the much inside to the russian military and so many clearances, and can for sure say, that they did not buy these missiles,

it should be peice of a cacke for you to get all the data for the real radar, to model it correctly, don´t you?

 

still funny dude

 

do you know how much is done here in germany in secret, which is not reveled to any civil person, and can you imagine that most of the guys producing do not know what unit they produce for?

 

same will be true for russia

[Drona]

How much do you know about what the F-22 or F-35 radar displays really look like? Or even that of an F-15 pre-AESA?

The MiG-29S is simply a rare variant that was left in the dust at some point. Furthermore, realistically speaking, R-77's were not purchased for it IIRC. You should be flying it with R-27's ;)

 

All those radars are too classified I guess and the reason it is not available for the public. BTW, the F-22 and F-35 radars will never become public knowledge at least for another 50-60 years. :lol:

[SUBS17]

A-10A's place is in FC. End of topic :)

 

Flying Legends addon.:thumbup:

[alpinemike]

All those radars are too classified I guess and the reason it is not available for the public. BTW, the F-22 and F-35 radars will never become public knowledge at least for another 50-60 years. :lol:

 

I do know one thing about the F-22 radar. It may be somewhat insignificant but, the array is roughly the same shape as the radome. I spent some time talking with an engineer about this. To be honest I could barley keep up with him. He was on a completely different plane. (no pun intended). :music_whistling:

But, He said the array was built to be stealth and the over all shape followed the radome.

[SUBS17]

I will. I hate the complexity of DCS series and all that "reading manuals for hours" thing. This virtual clickology is pure nonsense for me. There are far more better things in life than wasting hours of your precious time to learn how to switch the buttons right in your virtual cockpit. All that matters for me in a flight sim is the flight model and some good visuals so I can feel I'm like in a real aircraft. Usually I fly fast jets but from time to time I like getting in the A-10A's pit and bomb the **** on the ground with it's slow speed handling capability.

 

I will also like to fly A-10C in FC3 environment, modeled in the same simplistic way as the A-10A.

 

Also I would love to see the F/A-18C and F-16C in a future FC/Lock-On sequel. For every Russian fighter plane there will be an American counterpart.

 

Mig-29 - F-16

Su-27 - F-15

Su-33 - F/A-18

Su-25 - A-10A

Su-25T - A-10C

 

There are other games like ACE which will let you do that but you will miss out. By flying just FC you miss out on the extra features a sim like DCS A-10C has. The study level for the C is not that much its actually a very simple aircraft to fly and use its weapons. eg for FC you push 7 and then d for A/G. In DCS I select the weapon on the MFD and push M.(how hard is that:D).

 

If those aircraft such as the F-16 and F/A-18 were to be modeled in FC you would miss out on detail and features which are what makes the aircraft so awesome to fly. The F-16 has alot of features which when flown make it extremely simple and effective to use. By removing those features for an FC level addon it would be a waste. I do agree that FC3 must have an addon aircraft they must not just release the same aircraft again as in FC1 and 2. There must be more aircraft added to make it value for money. Maybe something simple but fun such as Jaguar or Intruder.

[GGTharos]

Seriously, do you ever stop?

 

ED has pretty good contacts with the Russian Air Forces, and they get to find out things like this. Some things are easily discovered information by talking to people, some are not.

 

Stop pretending that just because you don't have a clue, no one else can know things - or that one piece of information is as easy to acquire as another.

 

This is enough trolling out of you.

 

well GG tharos, when you know for sure that the r77 were not opurchased for the mig29c, when you really have the much inside to the russian military and so many clearances, and can for sure say, that they did not buy these missiles,

it should be peice of a cacke for you to get all the data for the real radar, to model it correctly, don´t you?

 

still funny dude

 

do you know how much is done here in germany in secret, which is not reveled to any civil person, and can you imagine that most of the guys producing do not know what unit they produce for?

 

same will be true for russia

[GGTharos]

You can find out generally interesting things about these types of radars though - for one, they're still susceptible to the doppler notch :D

 

All those radars are too classified I guess and the reason it is not available for the public. BTW, the F-22 and F-35 radars will never become public knowledge at least for another 50-60 years. :lol:

[IvanK]

Be nice to see finer resolution Pitch trim in FC3.