Hornet is now a death machine

[falcon_120]

Speaking of which, what is this all about the IADS? Did ED said something new about how it will be implemented soon? Because AFAIK this was an very old promise and there is no news that it will be integrated even in the medium term.

[Oceandar]

Speaking of which, what is this all about the IADS? Did ED said something new about how it will be implemented soon? Because AFAIK this was an very old promise and there is no news that it will be integrated even in the medium term.

It was on the news and there is a thread about it

 

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums%2Eeagle%2Eru%2Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D239809&share_tid=239809&share_fid=74365&share_type=t

[falcon_120]

It was on the news and there is a thread about it

 

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums%2Eeagle%2Eru%2Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D239809&share_tid=239809&share_fid=74365&share_type=t

 

Oh I see, thank you very much, I missed or rather forgot that somehow.

 

Regards,

[Tom Kazansky]

Time for S-400 :music_whistling:

[Brigg]

Although over the last last couple of weeks I have really been getting into and liking the hornet, I do think it is such a shame we can't have a Russian counterpart done to the same level. Any way back on topic, yeah she is the grim reaper now

[StandingCow]

Integrated Air Defense System.

 

In a short and oversimplified way, it is a series of separate systems that can coordinate and work together in order to cover a large region, on all altitude levels.

 

Since we're more familiar with Russian Air Defense systems in DCS, I'll use that as an example. Imagine spread out SA-10 (S-300) sites, covered by SA-11 (Buk) sites, themselves covered by SA-15s (TOR), SA-19s (Tunguska), SA-13 (Strella), numerous ZSU-23-4s and AAA emplacements, MANPADS etc, coordinated by Dog Ear and EW radars. You get the picture.

Each "tier" is tasked with the air defense of a particular altitude zone, with zones having some overlap, of course. For example, an SA-10 won't engage a low flying helicopter, when a SA-15 or even AAA can do that more efficiently and easily. Each unit is also tasked with specific engagement areas and targets.

 

Also, this layered defense makes it very difficult to take out high value SAM sites, like SA-10 sites, since the several TORs and Tunguskas nearby can engage enemy anti-radiation missiles. And obviously makes it nearly impossible to approach an SA-10 site for a pop-up attack. You'd be shredded to pieces by other air defense systems, long before you get anywhere near it.

 

Right now, DCS can offer this behavior in a limited but, in my opinion, satisfactory way, by heavy use of triggers in the Mission Editor. It's just that most mission makers don't do this, because it's complicated and it would make the game far more difficult, since you can't just shoot a couple of HARMs at an SA-11 and call it a day. Also, a lot of servers rely on taking over enemy airfields, something which is far more difficult IRL than it is in DCS MP, since air bases are covered by a host of air defenses IRL.

 

So in a flat terrain situation your only option would be to try and saturate one zone of air defenses at a time I assume? Or possibly a SEAD flight trying to keep at least some radars shut down while DEAD flights deploy weapons to try and knock them out?

 

In a area with cover you could probably toss bomb some JDAMs..

Edited August 2, 2019 by StandingCow

[jason_peters]

Are you able to target designate from a waypoint to get the new pod to look in generally the right area? Not had a chance to play with it yet

[Nickkerkwijk]

Are you able to target designate from a waypoint to get the new pod to look in generally the right area? Not had a chance to play with it yet

 

Not yet, it will come in the future.

[Harker]

So in a flat terrain situation your only option would be to try and saturate one zone of air defenses at a time I assume? Or possibly a SEAD flight trying to keep at least some radars shut down while DEAD flights deploy weapons to try and knock them out?

 

In a area with cover you could probably toss bomb some JDAMs..

Yeah, you have to work with zones. SEAD flights usually aim to suppress enemy air defenses in a manner that opens a corridor for a strike package or DEAD flight etc.

 

Even if you have mountainous terrain, it's too dangerous to try and approach a high value asset for pop-up attacks. Short range systems will be present in the surrounding area and it's impossible to know the exact location of everything. AAA and MANPADS present high threats when you're flying low over enemy territory.

[Gianky]

Are you able to target designate from a waypoint to get the new pod to look in generally the right area? Not had a chance to play with it yet

 

As Nickkerkwijk said, you cannot do that, yet. But, on the other end:

 

Slaving is not yet possible, it'll come later.

 

As for your second question, the SA page now has the FLIR option enabled in the SENSOR sub-menu. It shows a small box, indicating where the pod is looking. Especially useful if you keep the SA page on the AMPCD, with the Moving Map enabled.

 

If you mark the waypoint as a target with WPDESG, or mark any point on the ground with the TGP, depressing the TDC, the SA page will show both the FLIR position and the point you designated, so you'll be able to manually slave the FLIR to your marked point. Not as convenient as automatic slave, but it gets the job done.

[raelias]

Using the TPOD at long range negates the accuracy of JDAM/JSOW delivery. The further out you are the less accurate the TPOD is. More often you'll end up overshooting the target. Especially if its 30 to 40 miles away.

 

 

Thats very true but i Got 8 out of 8 hits with JSOWS using the TPOD to aim them at about 35nm, you just need to take your time to get it exactally right and aim right on the base of the veichle (IE the ground under them)

[CarbonFox]

The Hornet's lethality definitely jumped with the tpod. I won't consider it a true death machine until we have Paveway III, Harpoon and SLAM-ER.:smilewink:

[skouras]

Are you able to target designate from a waypoint to get the new pod to look in generally the right area? Not had a chance to play with it yet

in fact yes you can but nobody knows about it take a look

 

 

sorry for the lenght

 

 

[falcon_120]

Nice trick!

 

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[Oceandar]

I thought everybody knows that lol. I've been using that since the first day Tpod available. Tag the target from 40nm away and use SA as reference. That would be different story if mission maker decides to hide it thou....

[Emmy]

Managed to kill an SA-2 with a HARM and four BMPs with one GBU-38 each in one pass all in TOO mode.

 

Yeah, you can deal some serious damage now. Some TGP HUD symbology would sure be nice though.

 

So Far .. So Good. Keep at it Devs!

[CarbonFox]

Managed to kill an SA-2 with a HARM and four BMPs with one GBU-38 each in one pass all in TOO mode.

 

Yeah, you can deal some serious damage now. Some TGP HUD symbology would sure be nice though.

 

So Far .. So Good. Keep at it Devs!

 

 

Hopefully in the next OB, they'll add the Tpod HUD symbology.