uboats Posted January 28, 2022 Posted January 28, 2022 our engineer had no time to check it in jan yet. will check it later [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My DCS Mods, Skins, Utilities and Scripts | Windows 10 | i7-4790K | GTX 980Ti Hybrid | 32GB RAM | 3TB SSD | | TM Warthog Stick | CH Pro Throttle + Pro Pedal | TIR5 Pro | TM MFD Cougar | Gun Camera: PrtScn |
GumidekCZ Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 (edited) HQ-16A missile performance not according to public available data and other wrong Lua code values. Some of my information sources: https://www.eastpendulum.com/nouveau-sam-hq-16b-entre-service http://www.mdc.idv.tw/mdc/navy/china/china-vls.htm http://www.mdc.idv.tw/mdc/navy/china/china-sam.htm http://www.mdc.idv.tw/mdc/navy/china/052d.htm https://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/missile-threat-and-proliferation/todays-missile-threat/china/china-anti-access-area-denial/hq-16/ https://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/hq-16a_ly-80_ground_to_air_defence_missile_system_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html http://fullafterburner.weebly.com/next-gen-weapons/india-vs-china-military-balance-air-defense-part-1-chinese-sams H_max = 35000.0, --maximum flight altitude -- should be 10 or 15 km depending on soruce H_min = 5.0, --minimum flight altitude -- should be 13 (engaging skiming missile flying at 15m) Diam = 160.0, --diameter -- Really? DEKA devs cant recognize the difference between Diameter and Radius? Must be 340 mm (same as Deka 3D model) D_max = 40000.0, -- maximum launch range at 0 height -- should be 42 km or less (denser air > more drag = less Range) D_min = 500.0, --minimum launch range -- should be 3000 m Mach_max = 4.0, -- should be 3.5 Life_Time = 180.0, -- should be max 120 sec, 80 sec is lifetime of DCS SA9M38M1 (SA-11) missile Range_max = 50000.0, -- maximum launch range at maximum height (HHQ16: 45km) -- should be 42 km ccm_k0 = 0.15, -- should be around 0.3-0.4 (Original Deka value 0.5 DCS OB 2.5.6.52437), HQ-16A based on Buk-2M SA-17 'Grizzly' missile design with some improvements exhaust = { 1, 1, 1, 0.5 }, -- should be { 1, 1, 1, 1.0 }, burning engine produces thick white smoke Edited April 19, 2022 by GumidekCZ
GumidekCZ Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 (edited) HQ-9 missile performance not according to public available data and other wrong Lua code values. Some of my information sources: http://www.mdc.idv.tw/mdc/navy/china/hq9.htm http://www.mdc.idv.tw/mdc/navy/china/052c.htm http://errymath.blogspot.com/2015/12/hhq-9-naval-surface-to-air-missile.html#.YlyR49PP0wE https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/hq-9.htm http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-HQ-9-FD-FT-2000.html https://en.missilery.info/missile/hq-9 https://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/fd-2000_long_range_air_defense_missile_system_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html Overall, the technology and performance level of the basic HQ-9 is between the Russian S-300PMU1/2. Due to the late development of the Hongqi-9 and the use of terminal active radar guidance, it should have more advanced computer software and hardware than the S-300PMU1, and the anti-jamming capability and human-machine interface should be better. However, the range and anti-tactical ballistic missile performance of the HQ-9 should not be as good as the S300PMU1/2. mass = 1200.0, -- should be 1300.0 kg M = 1200.0, --missile mass in KG -- should be 1300.0 kg H_max = 35000.0, --maximum flight altitude -- should be 27000.0 m H_min = 5.0, --minimum flight altitude -- should be 14.0 (able to engage Skiming missiles alt 15m), 5m height not given by any document Diam = 340.0, -- Must be 470.0 mm (Dekas 3D model is 460mm - almost as it should be. Strange is why Deka is intentionaly decreases Lua diameter to reduce missile drag, do the ED supervising team know about that?). D_min = 800.0, --minimum launch range -- should be 5000.0 m (5km) Mach_max = 5, -- should be 4.2 M H_min_t = 10.0, --minimum target height -- should be 25.0 m ccm_k0 = 0.15, -- susceptibility to bait by CHAFF -- should be slightly better than DCS LRS (DCS S-300PS ccm_k0 = 0.5, DCS Patriot ccm_k0 = 0.5) l would expect value ccm_k0 = 0.3 exhaust = { 1, 1, 1, 0.5 }, -- should be { 1, 1, 1, 1.0 }, burning engine produces thick white smoke Edited April 19, 2022 by GumidekCZ
GumidekCZ Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 (edited) SA_N_12_9M317 missile performance not according to public available data and other wrong Lua code values. Some of my information sources: http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-9K37-Buk.html https://www.deagel.com/Defensive%20Weapons/9M317/a003645 https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Buk_missile_system https://alchetron.com/Buk-missile-system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system "Worldwide Equipment Guide (WEG) Update 2011" The modernised version of the 3S90m is the 9K37M1-2 (or 9K317E) "Ezh", which carries the NATO reporting name "Grizzly" or SA-N-12 and the export designation "Shtil". It uses the new 9M317 missile. M = 685.0, -- should be 715 kg H_max = 15000.0, -- should be 25000 (improvement) H_min = 5.0, -- should be 15 D_min = 500.0, -- should be 3000 Nr_max = 19, -- should be 24 (improvement) Mach_max = 4.5, -- should be 3.6 (ALL three reported missile have higher max Mach and very short Minimum Engaging Range) Life_Time = 300.0, -- should be max 120 sec, 80 sec is lifetime of DCS SA9M38M1 (SA-11) missile Range_max = 40000.0, -- по верхней границе -- should be 42000 (improvement) exhaust = { 1, 1, 1, 0.5 }, -- should be { 1, 1, 1, 1.0 }, Edited April 19, 2022 by GumidekCZ
GumidekCZ Posted July 25, 2022 Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) Hi @BIGNEWY , these values of Dekas missile parameters are not from some Lua datamine, but from game itself. DCS World OpenBeta\CoreMods\aircraft\ChinaAssetPack\Entries\Tech\weapons.lua I reported these missiles wrong at the January 5th this year - No answer. Than I send at January 27th message to bumb it, (because in mean time, Dekas devs made missile parameters even Boosted) This time with answer from @uboats (high up on this page) "our engineer had no time to check it in jan yet. will check it later" Than is send at April 18th detailed list of wrong things - No answer. Than I Seems like Dekas devs dont want to even answer to my BUG reports OR FIX THE VALUES, so PLEASE can you do something with that? ED controls missile performance of 3rd parties, or do I not remember it correctly? To me the scenario reminds me the situation with first release of Dekas SD-10/PL12 UFO missile which was at the end corrected under pressure from ED side. Deka simply dont want to make its missile under the law of ED code and make up its own parameters to match some unknown source perfrmonace. Edited July 25, 2022 by GumidekCZ
uboats Posted July 25, 2022 Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) sorry, our missile engineer was busy and i forgot this thread param updated Edited July 26, 2022 by uboats 1 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My DCS Mods, Skins, Utilities and Scripts | Windows 10 | i7-4790K | GTX 980Ti Hybrid | 32GB RAM | 3TB SSD | | TM Warthog Stick | CH Pro Throttle + Pro Pedal | TIR5 Pro | TM MFD Cougar | Gun Camera: PrtScn |
GumidekCZ Posted July 28, 2022 Posted July 28, 2022 On 7/26/2022 at 1:59 AM, uboats said: sorry, our missile engineer was busy and i forgot this thread param updated Todays update: Weapons. Fixed SA-N-12, HHQ-9 and HQ-16 params Where??, Seems that somebody fixed it but only in his PC and forget to send it to ED: ChinaAssetPack weapons.lua last modified at 28th January 2022
uboats Posted July 28, 2022 Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, GumidekCZ said: Todays update: Weapons. Fixed SA-N-12, HHQ-9 and HQ-16 params Where??, Seems that somebody fixed it but only in his PC and forget to send it to ED: ChinaAssetPack weapons.lua last modified at 28th January 2022 Seems not in this hotfix. Then next update [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My DCS Mods, Skins, Utilities and Scripts | Windows 10 | i7-4790K | GTX 980Ti Hybrid | 32GB RAM | 3TB SSD | | TM Warthog Stick | CH Pro Throttle + Pro Pedal | TIR5 Pro | TM MFD Cougar | Gun Camera: PrtScn |
Mike_Romeo Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 On 7/28/2022 at 5:08 PM, GumidekCZ said: Where??, Seems that somebody fixed it but only in his PC and forget to send it to ED: ChinaAssetPack weapons.lua last modified at 28th January 2022 Download the latest hotfix, file was changed. 2 My skins
Mike_Romeo Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 @GumidekCZ, I took a look at the files and Deka almost replaced everything you mentioned with your numbers. Good work with those researches ! 3 My skins
Rex854Warrior Posted August 5, 2022 Posted August 5, 2022 (edited) Hello, The "HQ7_LN_EO" unit otherwise known as the Electro-Optic version of the HQ7 launcher does not have the "vehicle" property like every other ground unit that is a vehicle in DCS, please add it for consistency and as to not cause issues with scripts. Thanks ! Edited August 5, 2022 by Rex854Warrior [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
BioZ Posted September 10, 2022 Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) HQ-7 is unable to hit targets. Track attached. 123f.trk @uboats@BIGNEWY Edited September 10, 2022 by BioZ
JG54_NF2 Posted September 10, 2022 Posted September 10, 2022 11小时前，BioZ说： HQ-7 is unable to hit targets. Track attached. 123f.trk @uboats@BIGNEWY This problem has been confirmed and submitted to the programmer. 1
Чарик80 Posted November 1, 2022 Posted November 1, 2022 Tell me when the air defense will be fixed on 052B, previously the player could shoot SAMs-now the missiles explode after launch, and the AI shoots normally.
thedisturbingspaniard Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 Do the WingLoong-I AKD-10 missiles work? I'm not finding any way to make it attack a target, while the exact same mission with a Predator (for instance) works like a charm.
Hallsy Posted January 2, 2023 Posted January 2, 2023 Hi guys, Just curious if the radome is supposed to rotate on the KJ-2000? Not turning on my end, will post a track if needed! Thanks
Mike_Romeo Posted January 2, 2023 Posted January 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, Hallsy said: Just curious if the radome is supposed to rotate on the KJ-2000? Its not My skins
tripod3 Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 Yj-12 missile fired from H-6 from max range (400 km) falls down after half of a way to target due engine-off and lack of speed. Mr. Croco
spikef22 Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 It would appear the HQ-7 is still struggling to hit anything 1
ivan-ivanov-1902 Posted April 2, 2023 Posted April 2, 2023 The YJ-12 rocket is a clone of the X-22, and it can't even fly 200km.Ship 052B-Air defense missile explodes after launch.When will it be fixed?
K-dot-B Posted May 21, 2023 Posted May 21, 2023 The stern wake of the Type 071 Amphibious Transport Dock appears offset from the end of the ship: ship_wake_issue.trk 1
Hawkmoon Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 Hi everyone, i'm having problem with H6-J launching cruise missile, worked two times now they just go to the launch waypoint and return back tried multiple things
gulredrel Posted October 27, 2023 Posted October 27, 2023 On 10/21/2023 at 12:43 PM, Hawkmoon said: Hi everyone, i'm having problem with H6-J launching cruise missile, worked two times now they just go to the launch waypoint and return back tried multiple things Maybe it's a general DCS thing currently in OB?
ivan-ivanov-1902 Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 YJ 62 does not release the wings and does not reset the starting engine (booster)(TYPE-052C),weak homing head, they write that 30-40 km capture of the target.in previous versions everything worked PERFECTLY
Admiral_ZIPANGU Posted December 10, 2023 Posted December 10, 2023 Hi, @uboats . HQ-7 LN Electro-Optics may no longer be under attack by AI helicopters. It appears that the AI attacks only the regular HQ-7 and fails to recognize the HQ-7 LNE as an attack target. HQ-7_LNE_TEST.miz HQ-7_LNE_TEST.trk Phantom Forever F-4EJ / F-4EJ Kai 1971-2021 Sorry, I don't speak English, so I use DeepL Translate. Well, I can speak Japanese.
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