Roll trim too sensitive.

[Deano87]

Hey

 

While this may not technically be a bug I do think it would be a nice improvement. I find roll trim really over sensitive, it’s almost impossible to trim the jet out in roll and not have it slowly drifting one way or another. Slowing the initial trim action down would help massively, so if you push for half a second or less you get a reduced rate of trim and then it speeds up if the button is held.

[bell_rj]

Glad it's not just me. I can never get roll or pitch trim just right even with just momentary taps of the trim button. Perhaps it's realistic but I find that hard to believe that military aircraft could not be perfectly trimmed.

[broderbund67]

Same here it is difficult to trim level. It will always tend to go left or right a little bit and the trim is not fine enough to correct. At the begining I thought it was a deadzone problem on my joystick.

I don't know how it is in real life though, maybe you can never get it right either.

[SonofEil]

Personally I think both pitch and roll trims are currently too sensitive.

That reminds me, where the heck are the trim position indicators? They’re mentioned in the tutorials but I can’t find them.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

Indeed, when you have a TPOD loaded I also found it impossible to trim just right for unassisted level flight.

[broderbund67]

Personally I think both pitch and roll trims are currently too sensitive.

That reminds me, where the heck are the trim position indicators? They’re mentioned in the tutorials but I can’t find them.

 

Trim position is in the far back of the left console.

 

From Matt's video at 12:10

 

[Deano87]

Personally I think both pitch and roll trims are currently too sensitive.

That reminds me, where the heck are the trim position indicators? They’re mentioned in the tutorials but I can’t find them.

 

I can’t say I ever use pitch trim in the jet. As it trims to 1G like the Hornet but it doesn’t require trimming on landing so pitch trim basically never gets used. If I want to hold a set climb angle I just use AP attitude hold. Roll trim on the other hand gets a lot of use. :joystick:

[Pikey]

+1 can't equalise natural straight and level once it's been touched.

[broderbund67]

Did some testing, it seems that with two fuel tanks, the left wing has a tendency to dip. Using the trim to compensate will make it impossible to equalize back.

 

A clean aircraft will fly perfectly straight without needing trim

[sbower]

Did some testing, it seems that with two fuel tanks, the left wing has a tendency to dip. Using the trim to compensate will make it impossible to equalize back.

 

A clean aircraft will fly perfectly straight without needing trim

 

 

Yes I agree when I fly with a clean aircraft I have no issues with trim and rolling to the right as I've experienced prior. I did test flying with only drop tanks on each wing, and had a very slight roll to the left.

 

I'm wondering if it may have something to do with fuel transfer from the external tanks?

 

I looked at the known bugs, and this issue has not been reported.

[Eldur]

This is a problem with literally every module. Trim ailerons is always not enough or too much, it's never possible to hit the spot. That's why I never do this in the first place at all, because at least with symmetrical loadouts the roll stays steady when it's symmetric again.

[Emmy]

Tapping back and forth pretty much constantly as well. Agree with the OP.

[WildWeasel303]

Same here. Definitely shouldn't be as dramatic in terms of sensitivity in flight.

[txmtb]

Actually started using the panel knobs instead of the trim hat on the hotas because of this.

 

It seems to be smaller increments as it works better.

[Deano87]

Oh that’s a good tip. I’ll try that. I might actually have a spare rotary on my button box that I can assign the roll trim knob to.

[Fri13]

I haven't used trim in viper, but I find trimming difficult if not impossible in many other modules as well because too sensitive trimming hat. Even shortest possible hat press causes in many modules a over adjustment that requires again opposite correction, again opposite etc. So it is easier to hold the stick at wanted position than use trim at all.

 

And I think this general oversensitive trimming behavior has something to do with core controls of the DCS itself.

[randomTOTEN]

it’s almost impossible to trim the jet out in roll and not have it slowly drifting one way or another.

This has been true for every aircraft I've flown that uses push-button trim controls.. they will never perfectly trim the aircraft.

I disagree that this is a problem, and the current trim behavior feels natural for a jet aircraft.

[grafspee]

How do you know, that is too sensitive?

It is always like that some ppl complain that trim is too sensitive, so ED adjust trim, then other ppl start complaining that trim is too slow/not sensitive enough.

Just use auto-trim in game options

Edited October 8, 2019 by grafspee

[Deano87]

How do you know, that is too sensitive?

It is always like that some ppl complain that trim is too sensitive, so ED adjust trim, then other ppl start complaining that trim is too slow/not sensitive enough.

Just use auto-trim in game options

 

Regarding auto trim = Just no, I want to have to trim the aircraft out.

 

Regarding it being too sensitive. My brother has several hundred hours flying the F-16, I asked him if it was difficult get it trimmed in roll, his answer was “no... why?” And I mentioned what it was like in the sim and he said “yeah, that doesn’t sound right.”

 

He’s unfortunately out of the country at the moment or I would get him over to give it a try.

 

I’d happily take input from a current pilot that it’s correct as is. But I just cannot believe that it’s this sensitive to short inputs in real life.

[macrossMX]

I have the same problem with the trim being too sensitive. They need to reduce the sensitivity to the same rate of trim like the hornet and it will be good.

[=Pedro=]

Would be nice if we could have a sensitivity slider for axis inputs in Adjust Controls Menu, like there is in Prepar3d (I'm not comparing just coudn't point it out differently). :)

Edited October 9, 2019 by =Pedro=

[Flia]

Would be nice if we could have a sensitive slider for axis inputs in Adjust Controls Menu, like there is in Prepar3d (I'm not comparing just coudn't point it out differently). :)

 

Thats a very good idea!

[Slug72]

How do you know, that is too sensitive?

 

Because trimming the jet for an asymmetric loadout e.g. after dropping a single GBU-12 is almost impossible. The lightest "tap" of the trim hat results in over-compensation, It's not like this in the F/A-18C, nor in other F-16 sims that I flew in a previous life.

 

Just use auto-trim in game options

 

Erm... nope. I want realistic behavior in SIM mode. If the current trim response is confirmed as accurate by ED and their F-16C SMEs then I'll accept that, but until then it's "broken" imho.

[Arnaud]

Hey guys,

 

do we have a timeline as when this is gonna be fixed.

 

Flying the F-16 always trimming it left then right, then left is pretty annoying.

[Tom Kazansky]

same here. Is it so unrealistic to have a more flat response to trimming inputs?