Aircraft before the 1993 tech explosion for DCS

[Northstar98]

2 minutes ago, Harlikwin said:

Well the M2k and tomcat radars seem decently well done. However alot of other modules namely the F16/18 leave a good amount to be desired. 

Yeah - good thing the F-4E is being done by HB.

[Harlikwin]

9 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

Yeah - good thing the F-4E is being done by HB.

And the F15E by raz. 

[upyr1]

On 7/14/2022 at 2:24 PM, Callsign112 said:

In true ED style, I think the answer to your question is.... very little, next to nothing!

I would take any and all of the possibilities you listed, the only difference being things got hot in the last two.

That is true. I wouldn't complain if we got any of them

[Exorcet]

2 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

@Exorcet I think we can conclude that we are pretty much in the same team. It's just that different people like different things fordifferent reasons differently - which is natural. Let's see what the F-4E has in store for us. I'm looking forward to more CW aircraft and - hopefully - terrains.

*cough* Vietnam

 

I'm with you there, and also on getting Vietnam content, bringing that to DCS would be a great milestone.

2 hours ago, Northstar98 said:

I might've misunderstood you, it just came across to me as minimising the differences or beating about the bush - if that wasn't the intention we're all good.

To be honest I don't blame you. I can see the whole thing being hard to follow as I was really only interested in how one specific detail of this thread's entire premise was being presented, yet ended up writing walls of texts anyway. Whether someone is in the modern camp, CW camp, or both, it's probably safe to say that the desire for a more in depth and bigger simulator is common.

[upyr1]

1 hour ago, Harlikwin said:

Never ever assume that. Its actually pretty hard to find any relevant info on several of the century series of fighters. Docs get lost, binned, burned, or otherwise destroyed. Literally the F14 exists in DCS today because of a single ebay auction for a manual that shouldn't have been there. 

We literally are not getting a Sea Harrier, because Razbam cannot find any info on the actual radar used and the MOD has classified it because it might give hints about what replaced that radar. Or if we do end up getting it, the radar might be entirely made up. 

So just cuz something is "old" doesn't mean its easy to get docs for. 

 

The thud is a good example yhe republic archive got destroyed

[Harlikwin]

4 minutes ago, upyr1 said:

The thud is a good example yhe republic archive got destroyed

Yup thats the one I was alluding to. Though amusingly Uboats at one point mentioned deka had an interest in doing it. And given that china had a flyable 105 at one point (built from parts) I do really wonder about that.

[Northstar98]

On 7/15/2022 at 9:26 PM, Exorcet said:

To be honest I don't blame you. I can see the whole thing being hard to follow as I was really only interested in how one specific detail of this thread's entire premise was being presented, yet ended up writing walls of texts anyway. Whether someone is in the modern camp, CW camp, or both, it's probably safe to say that the desire for a more in depth and bigger simulator is common.

All good then

And yes, absolutely agreed.

Edited August 4, 2022 by Northstar98

[Hiob]

4 hours ago, Harlikwin said:

Never ever assume that. Its actually pretty hard to find any relevant info on several of the century series of fighters. Docs get lost, binned, burned, or otherwise destroyed. Literally the F14 exists in DCS today because of a single ebay auction for a manual that shouldn't have been there. 

We literally are not getting a Sea Harrier, because Razbam cannot find any info on the actual radar used and the MOD has classified it because it might give hints about what replaced that radar. Or if we do end up getting it, the radar might be entirely made up. 

So just cuz something is "old" doesn't mean its easy to get docs for. 

 

You‘re probably right, I was just thinking about „classified“ when I wrote this, not about lost information.

[upyr1]

4 hours ago, Harlikwin said:

Yup thats the one I was alluding to. Though amusingly Uboats at one point mentioned deka had an interest in doing it. And given that china had a flyable 105 at one point (built from parts) I do really wonder about that.

I figured that was the case. I have tried finding what is available 

[Stratos]

On 7/11/2022 at 7:29 PM, Silver_Dragon said:

Meanwhile the F4U was used on Korea as the carrier on progress by M3, ED has none plans to build any WW2 east front equipment (talked on the russian forums), centred actually on the west front. The only incoming east cold war equipment has some large AAAs Ks-30/19, planned to the core.

I think later marks were used in Korea, mostly 4 bladed props F4U-4.

[Pikey]

19 hours ago, Furiz said:

Well said, altho I like modern fighters and JDAMs more than cold war planes and dumb bombs, I can agree with you on this, hope @Pikey can draw some lessons here and learn how not to insult people when posting on forum and at the same time express his opinions.

Every bombing mode can fun and boring, it depends on the mission same goes with everything else. Then people have different preferences and likes, some like to actually fly the aircraft while others like to play with the avionics and sensors with help of FBW.

 

 

 

You called me narrow minded because i dont like what you like. That wasnt an opinion on a dcs module. You should be be accurate.

The topic explains the virtues of the simpler designs where it comes to multiplayer. I believe many pick the newest modules in a bubble because they dont play online or try other aspects of the game.

The danger of players picking the avionics rich aircraft is they miss how to see the broader picture and they spend all their time learning and not playing.

Once you pick a Hornet or F16 you have artificially limited yourself to the best capability in a bubble and can see no reason to look further.

Thus my advisory... challenge yourself with a different mindset else dcs multiplayer dies when the teen series runs out.

Narrow minded.. pff.

Edited July 16, 2022 by Pikey
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[Silver_Dragon]

1 hour ago, Stratos said:

I think later marks were used in Korea, mostly 4 bladed props F4U-4.

[Stratos]

23 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

I own this book, all the Corsais appearing on that book were F4U-4 and F-4U-5 so all of them used the 4 blade prop. If they add the option to use the 4 blade prop even If cosmetic only and a Korean War era period I will get the module, otherwise not.

[Silver_Dragon]

6 minutes ago, Stratos said:

I own this book, all the Corsais appearing on that book were F4U-4 and F-4U-5 so all of them used the 4 blade prop. If they add the option to use the 4 blade prop even If cosmetic only and a Korean War era period I will get the module, otherwise not.

M3 has centred on a WW2 F4U-1D with 3 blades. April 44.

 

Edited July 16, 2022 by Silver_Dragon

[Stratos]

Then the variant they're building was not used in the Korean war, end of story.

[Bremspropeller]

9 minutes ago, Stratos said:

I own this book, all the Corsais appearing on that book were F4U-4 and F-4U-5 so all of them used the 4 blade prop. If they add the option to use the 4 blade prop even If cosmetic only and a Korean War era period I will get the module, otherwise not.

There's more changes than just adding a fourth blade. Especially for the dash five. They'd really warrant their own version.

Especially since the dash four branched off into the AU-1 and F4U-7 (Indochina!).

[Silver_Dragon]

1 minute ago, Stratos said:

Then the variant they're building was not used in the Korean war, end of story.

Otherwise, surelly we can see missions and campaings using "off time" versions, to build Korean war missions. Has the same situations with "Vietnam" time missions without the propper aircrafts and assets.

[upyr1]

6 hours ago, Stratos said:

I think later marks were used in Korea, mostly 4 bladed props F4U-4.

You re right, I believe our corsair was retired by the time of Korea

4 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

Otherwise, surelly we can see missions and campaings using "off time" versions, to build Korean war missions. Has the same situations with "Vietnam" time missions without the propper aircraft and assets.

I'm expecting that I won't be the only one buildind a mission with the F4u-4 dogfighting a MiG-15. Unless we get the proper version, this will have to work.

[Silver_Dragon]

6 minutes ago, upyr1 said:

I'm expecting that I won't be the only one buildind a mission with the F4u-4 dogfighting a MiG-15. Unless we get the proper version, this will have to work.

We know M3 dont go to build a U-4 Korean version. Actually, has none "propper" versions... Example, none Vietnam F-4 and Mig-21s. 

[upyr1]

11 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

We know M3 dont go to build a U-4 Korean version. Actually, has none "propper" versions... Example, none Vietnam F-4 and Mig-21s. 

We have to make due with what we have 

[Silver_Dragon]

28 minutes ago, upyr1 said:

We have to make due with what we have 

Exactly, and enjoy what we have.

[mkellytx]

On 7/15/2022 at 1:33 PM, Fromthedeep said:

Taking a facetious song from a band that's built around humorous lyrics and trying to use it to prove what real pilots think about the modern combat environment is hilariously short sighted. What you guys don't realise is that not 1% of the actual complexity and decision making is recreated in DCS when it comes to JDAMs. Neither the planning, nor the weaponeering and certainly not the limitations.

Dude, this issue's black and white like a school bus full of nuns and someone's gotta make the call I'm goin' in for guns.  To imply that DG aren't real pilots and the songs are less than 10% truth should require an immediate shot of Weed...

[Hammer1-1]

The F-111 is closer to a B-1A than an F-14 IMO.

[Evoman]

I just happen to run across this recent video discussing why the cold war is the future of DCS.

 

 

[upyr1]

I'm enjoying the Mirage F1 as well as the 2k. 

6 hours ago, Evoman said:

I just happen to run across this recent video discussing why the cold war is the future of DCS.

 

 

I'm glad to see the cold war is taking shape, at least the 1970s the Mirage F1 is cool. I like the Mirage 2k as well, I'm looking forward to the Phantom. 

Edited July 22, 2022 by upyr1