Man what happened

[Valar_Morghulis]

I feel like there was a lot of hype and buildup...

 

 

and then poof, no one cares, no one talks about it.

 

Did the final hardware just not live up to expectations or is the price the problem?

[McG]

They had shipped the first batch of units to customers, and these seem to have been well received.

 

Then the Chinese New Year factory shutdown was extended due to restrictions to slow spread of Coronavirus. It looks like they are getting back up and running now.

 

It also looks like they have been busy on the software front during the factory shutdown time.

[Fri13]

I believe that the price was actually the real show stopper, the most enthusiasts got one but majority will not invest 1000 € for a HOTAS, even when a 400 € for a Joystick alone is too much from other manufacturers.

 

We need to understand that majority wants to fly with sub 200 € HOTAS or Joysticks alone. So creating something major expensive limits very effectively the target audience size, and so on as well the hype in social media etc.

[JoeyJoJoJunior]

I think they would have attracted a lot more interest with a standalone throttle option. You see time and time again that that's the product people really want. A lower cost unit with a cut down panel would be quite competitive with Virpil.

[dburne]

I think they would have attracted a lot more interest with a standalone throttle option. You see time and time again that that's the product people really want. A lower cost unit with a cut down panel would be quite competitive with Virpil.

 

Bingo.

[Harlikwin]

I think they would have attracted a lot more interest with a standalone throttle option. You see time and time again that that's the product people really want. A lower cost unit with a cut down panel would be quite competitive with Virpil.

 

Yup This.

 

With the fact there is a TM F18 grip already that works with other bases, that limits your market size for a "new" stick.

 

However no complementary throttle exists.

 

For VR, I don't even want the "panel" Just the throttle. And if its modular/hot swappable/ for other Throttle quadrants while in game, even better.

[RogueSqdn]

The throttle grips are swappable, and require you to undo two screws and a cable for each. That said, no other grips have been announced.

 

They did hint at some point about an F-16 throttle grip, but I've seen nothing concrete about it.

 

The throttle is fantastic and is worth the money. I haven't even taken the stick out of the packaging though... I have the two TM grips and three different VPC grips, so have no desire to lose that.

[wilbur81]

I think they would have attracted a lot more interest with a standalone throttle option. You see time and time again that that's the product people really want. A lower cost unit with a cut down panel would be quite competitive with Virpil.

 

Very true. I have zero interest in the stick. But that throttle...

[hansangb]

When you launch, you have to spread the risk through the bundle. Everyone that orders gets a set. Once that's been determined, the company can fine tune the amount needed to fulfill the expected orders for various parts.

 

Clearly, they didn't count on Wuhan virus rearing its head right after the Lunar new year.

[Guppy]

When you launch, you have to spread the risk through the bundle. Everyone that orders gets a set. Once that's been determined, the company can fine tune the amount needed to fulfill the expected orders for various parts.

 

Clearly, they didn't count on Wuhan virus rearing its head right after the Lunar new year.

 

Yep, trying to be patient with COVID19. Look at the US right now. I hardly think people are going to be getting some items they ordered from a small widget manufacturer any time soon with many non-essential businesses being closed down.

 

Hopefully this blows over soon... I want to get a beer at a pub.

[WINWING]

Dear all friends,

First of all, we hopefully all people over the world be okay in this virus crisis. And thanks to all friend send mail to support us!

 

About this project we must announce some info:

1.The delay is very worth for this commercial of the shelf HOTAS, our engineer wrote more than 5GB PDF file guide for assamble,test,package. those paper could make sure this have the best quality for the years produce. What you can buy from us is not a workshop thing, but something like IPHONE in standard produce.

 

2.Our company began from a professional training device business, once we begin our HOME USE SIMMER, we have no choice but the high-end! We never produce plastic joystick. About price, you can consider when it sell separately, it's cheaper than some plastic grip & not so good performance thing. So, we are not expensive!!!

 

3.Now is 2020s! The technical is far from 10 years ago, but I heard some "10th anniversary edition "???!!! We will never do such shame thing!! A 10 year old tech produce sell at a high price??? A joke!

Innovate is our only way, you can see what we do with our joystick base, our throttle base, our binding file cloud save and share software, our cockpit editor software, and more new black tech come soon, we will not only release new panels& grips.

 

All of those is to explain it's not a hype!

2019 is just a begin, 2020 more will coming.

[zaelu]

You don't need to drop quality. Drop prices! It can be done if you plan for high numbers and can wait market to build up. True... now with Corona is even Harder.

 

Also, try to make the stick have appeal too. And make throttle be usable in VR (I mean... 30 switches like that are not easy to find in VR).

[Wmacky]

The throttle grips are swappable, and require you to undo two screws and a cable for each. That said, no other grips have been announced.

 

They did hint at some point about an F-16 throttle grip, but I've seen nothing concrete about it.

 

The throttle is fantastic and is worth the money. I haven't even taken the stick out of the packaging though... I have the two TM grips and three different VPC grips, so have no desire to lose that.

 

 

Give the stick a try! I did, and really like it.

 

As a matter of fact, I'm selling all my Virpil gear. After using the WW stick, the virpil stick feels kinda cheap. No disrespect, but maybe if they used resin like the real stick it would be ok, but it feels like toy plastic, where the WW stick feels solid in the hand.

 

To me, the throttle AND flight stick are a matching set with matching quality.

 

I'm glad that Wing wing is making top gear for those who want it. There is plenty of cheaper gear for those that don't want to spent what is necessary for this level of quality .

Edited March 26, 2020 by Wmacky

[sk000tch]

I think they would have attracted a lot more interest with a standalone throttle option. You see time and time again that that's the product people really want. A lower cost unit with a cut down panel would be quite competitive with Virpil.

 

This x1000

 

You’ve got to kill it to win in enthusiast level stick market. There are too many excellent choices. But throttles are all garbage. You simply cannot get a pro-sumer level throttle- e.g. something like RealSimulator’s fssb R3L w/ f16-sgrh but a throttle, for any fixed wing aircraft (there are helo collectives).

 

I totally disagree with the too expensive comment. The market is loaded with <$200 choices. Perhaps they aren’t not as nice but welcome to life and economics. It was an awful business decision, they should have leveraged the initial hype to get their equipment is as many simpits/homes as possible, and build off that initial penetration with more products.

 

You can’t hold anything related to the virus against them, that hurt every business and I can’t imagine what it was like for Chinese manufacturers. Ironically it presents an opportunity for them. RealSimulator announced they were exploring a consumer version of their professional f-16 throttle. But with the situation in Spain it’s very likely that is delayed to some extent. Winwing releases that throttle stand-alone now they can salvage some of the repetitional harm their release caused, continue refining stick and working on their unique alternate throttle grip strategy, and get out in front of realism, VKB’s eventual throttle release, and the potential that virpil ever figures out how to make a throttle with detents and an analogue ministick.

[Guram]

I think Winwing is way ahead of RealSim and any other manufacturer with this product, and I hope Winwing will keep this high standard for F-16 HOTAS with 1:1 arm assembly, grip lift/rotation, corresponding left side panel and the same approach as they did with F-18 HOTAS the result will be mind-blowing :D hope it will take no more than a year, but who knows.

Winwing don't give up the quality, you are on the right path.

[sk000tch]

I think Winwing is way ahead of RealSim and any other manufacturer with this product, and I hope Winwing will keep this high standard for F-16 HOTAS with 1:1 arm assembly, grip lift/rotation, corresponding left side panel and the same approach as they did with F-18 HOTAS the result will be mind-blowing :D hope it will take no more than a year, but who knows.

Winwing don't give up the quality, you are on the right path.

 

All due respect, which I gave Winwing in both deferring to their judgement and complimenting their product, you don't know what you're talking about. For the price a a RS force sensing base and their F-16 grip you can buy winwing's complete hotas, some crosswind pedals, and fly the family to Hawaii (airfares are cheap).

 

You're missing the point anyway fainboy. Nobody is shitting on Winwing, we are merely suggesting they allow those of us with a pile of flight sticks that don't need another to buy just a throttle. Thanks for opinion, but with a few thousand hours in single seaters I'll keep my own counsel...

[Svsmokey]

All due respect, which I gave Winwing in both deferring to their judgement and complimenting their product, you don't know what you're talking about. For the price a a RS force sensing base and their F-16 grip you can buy winwing's complete hotas, some crosswind pedals, and fly the family to Hawaii (airfares are cheap).

 

You're missing the point anyway fainboy. Nobody is shitting on Winwing, we are merely suggesting they allow those of us with a pile of flight sticks that don't need another to buy just a throttle. Thanks for opinion, but with a few thousand hours in single seaters I'll keep my own counsel...

 

What ?? And so nice to hear more juvenile name-calling .

[sk000tch]

What ?? And so nice to hear more juvenile name-calling .

 

Not sure I catch your meaning on that "What?" aspect?

 

But you're right, I should have ignored the post or been more gentle, dismissed it and restarted my question. However, I was asking a legitimate question to a product manufacture (that many others have asked), and dude was following me from thread to thread replying to my questions with his irrelevant opinion on the quality of the stick. Weird and annoying, but my response further detracted from the point.

 

Back on track in a post entitled "Man what happened," referring to the initial hype:

 

This x1000

 

You’ve got to kill it to win in enthusiast level stick market. There are too many excellent choices. But throttles are all garbage. You simply cannot get a pro-sumer level throttle- e.g. something like RealSimulator’s fssb R3L w/ f16-sgrh but a throttle, for any fixed wing aircraft (there are helo collectives).

 

I totally disagree with the too expensive comment. The market is loaded with <$200 choices. Perhaps they aren’t not as nice but welcome to life and economics. It was an awful business decision, they should have leveraged the initial hype to get their equipment is as many simpits/homes as possible, and build off that initial penetration with more products.

 

You can’t hold anything related to the virus against them, that hurt every business and I can’t imagine what it was like for Chinese manufacturers. Ironically it presents an opportunity for them. RealSimulator announced they were exploring a consumer version of their professional f-16 throttle. But with the situation in Spain it’s very likely that is delayed to some extent. Winwing releases that throttle stand-alone now they can salvage some of the repetitional harm their release caused, continue refining stick and working on their unique alternate throttle grip strategy, and get out in front of realism, VKB’s eventual throttle release, and the potential that virpil ever figures out how to make a throttle with detents and an analogue ministick.

[Svsmokey]

I quite agree . I think Winwing is missing an opportunity by not releasing the throttle separately .

[wilbur81]

I quite agree . I think Winwing is missing an opportunity by not releasing the throttle separately .

 

100 % correct.

[BuzzU]

For those with the stick and throttle. Convince me it's better than the Virpil and VKB. I have a stimulus payment itching to be spent.

[RogueSqdn]

Man what happened

 

For those with the stick and throttle. Convince me it's better than the Virpil and VKB. I have a stimulus payment itching to be spent.

 

 

I can’t dig it up right now because I’m on my phone, but I wrote an extensive post reviewing the throttle a few months back.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

 

EDIT: Found it. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4159938&postcount=35

Edited April 22, 2020 by RogueSqdn

[Lalbatros]

Good evening all,

 

My X-55 is finally breaking apart after 5 years (and two home-made internal re-wirings already), so I am considering my options... I just came across the winwing thing, but I could only find reviews of the brand new ones.

 

My big question is about the electrical wiring, which we can see there (it's in French, but just look at the picture ;-) ): http://cloud.checksix-fr.com/review-winwing-f-a18-hotas/. I really don't see why the thin, short and moving cables wouldn't break as fast as the X-55 ones (famous problems for people who own them).

 

Anybody wants to share his experience after a few months of abuse?

[RogueSqdn]

I have had no problems whatsoever, and was a day one customer. :)

[Lalbatros]

Thanks a lot!

 

Well, me being a childish impatient 33 yo kid, I just raided a Virpil restock for a throttle. One day, when I'm rich, I'll reconsider the big one :-)

 

Have fun!