[INCORRECT]ED Charging you to Keep your A-10C

[unlikely_spider]

These are two contradictory statements.

 

I don't see how.

[unlikely_spider]

As of right now, Xbox 360 and it's associated software/services are still supported. Now you used the qualifying terms "like this module" and since there isn't any you can use that as an out. I guess when you're effectively the only game in town (and know it), you can do as you want as long as people are willing to put up with it.

 

And while I did buy the ability to use the license and not a physical piece of property, it is incumbent on the developer/publisher who have taken this approach not to hamper/kill their customer's bought and paid for product (especially when it's working with the current version). These aren't stand alone games with sequels. Now if they were to end DCS 2.0 or make it DCS 3.0 (a completely new game, with a new engine, etc) then we would be talking closer to similarly looking apples.

 

They have already told you they are not "killing it".

[BIGNEWY]

It is very simple.

 

If you already own the A-10C, you already have a free cockpit update that does not change.

 

When the A-10C 2 is ready you will have the opportunity to purchase the upgrade, it is not compulsory, it is optional.

 

We will give you more information on the new A-10C 2 when we are ready.

 

Thanks

Edited May 13, 2020 by BIGNEWY

[Thump]

I don't see how.

 

You required me to find a "like module" but then chose to highlight a software product that doesn't fall within the same commercial realm. The product your company pays a lot for does so with the intent on making money from that product to justify its cost. I don't make money from playing DCS (quite the opposite). So the cost and duration of use for that product your company pays for is not like DCS.

[Thump]

They have already told you they are not "killing it".

 

I know (now) they aren't. At that point in the discussion it went from addressing this specific case to a more generalization discussion on product support and how things would have to be in order to draw parallels. I was addressing specifically the part of your post dealing with the developer's discretion as to how long they choose to support a product. The DCS 2.0/3.0 part was intended to be an example on how it would only make sense to cease support if they were standalone products and not a single system (which DCS effectively is as a concept).

[Thump]

It is very simple.

 

If you already own the A-10C, you already have a free cockpit update that does not change.

 

When the A-10C 2 is ready you will have the opportunity to purchase the upgrade, it is not compulsory, it is optional.

 

We will give you more information on the new A-10C 2 when we are ready.

 

Thanks

 

Thank you for the clarification. Much appreciated.

[Snoopy]

So what you're telling me is you are going to hold my A-10C hostage after I have paid for it? And if I have to play it on an non-updated server, that's a defacto death of the module. Care to justify this one ED?

 

I am often vocal and critical of ED but IMO they aren’t doing anything wrong this time and IMO your post is overly dramatic. If someone would have told me 6 months ago we’d be getting an update to the A-10C I wouldn’t have beloved them. I’ve gotten my money’s worth (and some) with the module. I’m sure I’m the minority but for a proper suite 7 plus (or later) I’d pay full price again.

[Thump]

I am often vocal and critical of ED but IMO they aren’t doing anything wrong this time and IMO your post is overly dramatic. If someone would have told me 6 months ago we’d be getting an update to the A-10C I wouldn’t have beloved them. I’ve gotten my money’s worth (and some) with the module. I’m sure I’m the minority but for a proper suite 7 plus (or later) I’d pay full price again.

 

Based on ED's past actions of forcing an upgrade (KA-50), it wasn't a far leap to make. For you, you've gotten your money's worth...this may or may not be the case for others. By all means buy the A-10C II if it scratches that itch for the suite they provide. I don't have a problem with them selling an upgrade in the slightest (markets will decide what cost they will bear).

Edited May 13, 2020 by Thump

[unlikely_spider]

You required me to find a "like module" but then chose to highlight a software product that doesn't fall within the same commercial realm. The product your company pays a lot for does so with the intent on making money from that product to justify its cost. I don't make money from playing DCS (quite the opposite). So the cost and duration of use for that product your company pays for is not like DCS.

 

No, I think you misunderstand. Look at the part of my post that you cut out of your reply. I said that any software that I can conceivably think of, all the way from complete operating systems down to a small plug-in to an existing product, I've purchased while having the understanding that it will not be supported by the developer indefinitely. And I think that ED's continuing support to this day for a decade-old module is actually quite exceptional when comparing across the software world at any level. And yet people still post here complaining about it.

Edited May 13, 2020 by unlikely_spider

[MAXsenna]

@BonzoDCS

I guess no. Because you've bought an upgrade for a discount. Which means ONE single license.

 

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[sora_061]

give it a rest, it's already cleared.

Owning a game for 10 years make it your money worth, Than people Buying it when new cockpit upgrade came should also have their money worth. I would rather be able to play and have fun playing legacy version and it's campaigns also in MP, than move over to newer ones. That's my opinion.

 

If it'll be thrown away why would ED be bothered to squeeze cockpit upgrade in old spaghetti code rather than wait more and release a10 v2.

 

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Edited May 13, 2020 by sora_061

[eaglecash867]

I know its too early in the game to be asking this question, but:

 

Maybe our current A-10C and A-10C 2.0 can be separate modules, with the former just not being supported and upgraded further? Sort of like how we still have all of the FC3 aircraft available? I'd be down with that. Maybe that's the intention, but I don't see that clearly defined anywhere.

[Hardcard]

I am not sure how you got that out of what I said, sorry.

 

"the new A10C will replace the old one going forward from there"

 

This is how.

 

For clarification, can you then confirm that the current A10C module will coexist with the new one in the future?

 

Thanks

[NineLine]

Based on ED's past actions of forcing an upgrade (KA-50), it wasn't a far leap to make. For you, you've gotten your money's worth...this may or may not be the case for others. By all means buy the A-10C II if it scratches that itch for the suite they provide. I don't have a problem with them selling an upgrade in the slightest (markets will decide what cost they will bear).

 

To be fair, the Ka-50 1 was a standalone product, and transitioned into DCS World, with the second version. Had the 1st version been in DCS World, we might have been able to do more with it.

 

And really the word "forcing" is a little harsh, game companies everywhere "force" people to buy new versions all the time, for the most part, you are pretty insulated from that with DCS World.

[NineLine]

"the new A10C will replace the old one going forward from there"

 

This is how.

 

For clarification, can you then confirm that the current A10C module will coexist with the new one in the future?

 

Thanks

 

I meant, and I should have been clearer, that once the A-10C II is on sale, it will become the only one available for purchase. But it's still pretty early and we will have more details on how it all works if the II version gets the old and new after that, or what.

[SmirkingGerbil]

Sigh. Shows join date of 2013, I was flying on Steam in 2011.

 

In that time, I have paid for the BS1 to BS2 upgrade. Will happily pay for the A-10C suite 3 to A-10C suite 7 (I think) for something I have flown with enormous entertainment and knowledge transfer for 8 years.

 

If I get to keep the old one, cool, but as stated, mission designs might require the newer one, so before anyone gets twisted about that.

 

I spend as much or more on the Borderlands titles in 3 years for DLC etc. than I spent on DCS in 10, and that includes a healthy garage of modules and WWII assets, and Combined Arms.

 

I have spent more on ARMA I, II, III, more on Fallout and all it's iterations, many other titles. The amount of money I have spent on other more known titles far outstrips anything I have spent on DCS over an 11 year period, and it is THE only title that has kept me entertained that long.

 

All these threads bashing DCS on this pay model, that pay model, development rollout, paying for this, and paying for that get old, really old.

 

To top it off, they saved the WWII birds from another developer and ate a poo sandwich on that one, and I just wait patiently for our P-47D, because I know even after 6 years, it will be worth the wait.

 

Spent a lot of money, on lots of gaming stuff over the years, ONLY DCS has kept pace with my interest, kept me devoted, kept me entertained long after many have faded.

 

The number of upgrades to the original 1.5 and earlier, the number of modules added on, the amount of time I have spent in different airframes, tanks, lorries etc. under one title makes DCS literally the cheapest game I own for the content you get.

 

A tad frustrated with all the complaints and insinuations of bad business practices etc. Apologies.

[NineLine]

So you most likely don't know an answer to my question yet?

 

Don't mean to get on your nerves, just realy curious because it's my favourite jet so far.

 

 

edit : And if it's a 'yes' or 'maybe' I'll get a second A-10 now...

 

You can See in Wags Screenshot it's set up as a second module, most likely that is the only way to really do this and keep the old module (Missions, campaigns, etc) and as stated not 'force' people to buy the upgrade.

 

The New A-10C will become the only one for sale eventually. How long the old one will stick around I do not know. But this is only in terms of sales, being able to fly the A-10C should be around as long as we have DCS, but as always, everything is subject to change. And if something comes up during development that they handle it differently then it may change.

 

It's hard to comment on this stuff so early as not everything can be accounted for. As we get farther along, we will see more info.

[NineLine]

A-10C suite 7

 

I want people to be careful with this, while I know many would love a full suite update, nothing solid has been stated on how these updates and improvements will come about. So while I know I sound like I am raining on the parade, and my bosses share much more, I want to caution people to not bank on items before they are officially stated. I am NOT saying don't expect much, I am only saying, only expect what has been stated in official announcements, which we do not have much on right now.

 

Thanks guys.

[Rudel_chw]

...

All these threads bashing DCS on this pay model, that pay model, development rollout, paying for this, and paying for that get old, really old.

...

A tad frustrated with all the complaints and insinuations of bad business practices etc..

 

+1 .. I’m amazed at the pettyness of some people ... who want eternal software for 50 bucks.

[Thump]

+1 .. I’m amazed at the pettyness of some people ... who want eternal software for 50 bucks.

 

It had nothing to do with demanding eternal software. It had to do with not just planned obsolescence (welcome to capitalism) but potentially (unnecessary) forced obsolescence for the sole sake of profit at the detriment of the consumer. Seeing as how this is probably not the case (a recent post gives wiggle room to back out of those statements), the point is moot.

Edited May 14, 2020 by Thump

[SmirkingGerbil]

I want people to be careful with this, while I know many would love a full suite update, nothing solid has been stated on how these updates and improvements will come about. So while I know I sound like I am raining on the parade, and my bosses share much more, I want to caution people to not bank on items before they are officially stated. I am NOT saying don't expect much, I am only saying, only expect what has been stated in official announcements, which we do not have much on right now.

 

Thanks guys.

 

Sorry, was going off memory. Will stick with "upgraded" for future context, I should have left that out, since it was only a recollection.

 

Whatever rolls off the "line", will be looking forward to it.

[3WA]

+1 .. I’m amazed at the pettyness of some people ... who want eternal software for 50 bucks.

 

 

Yeah, you can't expect people to work for nothing. That's what I keep telling my boss. Or I should say, I did.

 

 

But, on the other hand, you can decide if you want to pay for the next upgrade or not. You can always stay where you are, and pay nothing.

 

 

You just have to think of it like, say, Arma. There's been I, II, III, and it appears IV is soon to be announced. Black Shark ( literally DCS World ) has been around for 12 years, and has been constantly upgraded. You could call it DCS World I, II, and III. You can't expect to pay for just I and have it upgraded for 12 years. The Studio would go broke.

 

 

So, if you just want to stay with A-10C I (DCS World II), then don't buy A-10C II (DCS World III), etc.

Edited May 14, 2020 by 3WA

[3WA]

I meant, and I should have been clearer, that once the A-10C II is on sale, it will become the only one available for purchase. But it's still pretty early and we will have more details on how it all works if the II version gets the old and new after that, or what.

 

 

That will be interesting. Two A-10's.

[Snoopy]

I want people to be careful with this, while I know many would love a full suite update, nothing solid has been stated on how these updates and improvements will come about. So while I know I sound like I am raining on the parade, and my bosses share much more, I want to caution people to not bank on items before they are officially stated. I am NOT saying don't expect much, I am only saying, only expect what has been stated in official announcements, which we do not have much on right now.

 

Thanks guys.

 

Not to mention HMCS wasn’t part of suite 7 initially, it would have to be suite 7 plus to be 100% accurate.

 

For me my mention of a suite upgrade was just my willingness to pay not saying that’s what will be released.

Edited May 15, 2020 by Snoopy

[Taz1004]

You can't assume everyone has been playing the A10C for 10 years and therefore got their money's worth. I almost purchased the A10C if I didn't see this post. And would be mad that it went obsolete after few months.

 

But since we don't know the details on what the price will be and what the discount will be, it's premature to judge either side. I'd be somewhat unhappy if the price was like 80 bucks and discounted to 20. Then I'd be paying 50 bucks total which I would rather spend on something else.

 

It's not pettyness. It's choice. Unless I'm willing to spend $2000 for all the modules, it's about what I can get with what I can spend.

Edited May 14, 2020 by Taz1004