Rmnsvn Posted June 6, 2020 Posted June 6, 2020 (edited) I mean, do updates even get tested before releasing? The latest patch released on June 3 puts my computer on knees regarding loading times and stutters. CPU/GPU usage is fine but it loads exactly same missions with exactly same settings twice longer and stutters all over the place. I was super happy with previous version performance and have to go down on settings again. Stop pushing the new products, please. We paid money for your old modules as well and we expect them to work properly! Upd. I deleted DCS folder from saved games, I have the recent drivers, I have paging file on SSD and set correctly. I would mention my PC specs if performance wasn't good before. Ok so not to be a waste of space on the forum: do you guys have decreased performance with the latest update too or is it just me and my PC? Upd. June 10: updating to the latest nvidia driver seems to have sorted out a stutters issue for me. I was using March 2020 version as later used to have hornet SA bug. Version 446.14 is much more stable and fluid with dcs. Edited June 10, 2020 by Rmnsvn
Rudel_chw Posted June 6, 2020 Posted June 6, 2020 I mean, do updates even get tested before releasing? The latest patch released on June 3 puts my computer on knees. You are on OpenBeta, so, you are actually helping testing it ... if you don’t feel like it, then please return to the Stable release. For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
Rmnsvn Posted June 6, 2020 Author Posted June 6, 2020 You are on OpenBeta, so, you are actually helping testing it ... if you don’t feel like it, then please return to the Stable release. I perfectly understand beta thing but to me such a leaks in performance should be identified in closed beta, before pushing it to public.
nosaMtrevoC Posted June 6, 2020 Posted June 6, 2020 I get the frustration, being on open beta to be able to play the latest releases etc., but you are on open beta, that would have been my response. I get frustrated with all my replays constantly being broken between updates and wish that system was re-done, but I can't really complain about it. My option is to move to stable. I would... move to stable if it ensured my replays wouldn't break between stable releases, but that doesn't seem to be a sure think either so I stay on openbeta and deal with the bugs. Modules: Persian Gulf | Normandy | Channel | Nevada | Supercarrier | WWII Assets | FC3 | Spitfire | P-51D | P-47D | F-86F | L-39 | AV-8B | F-16C | F/A-18C | A-10C | F-14B | A-4E-C | BS2 System: X570 AMD-3900X | 32GB DDR4 3000 | 2TB Gen 4x4 5GB/s NVME | Dual 1070 TI | 4k 32" Samsung
Rudel_chw Posted June 6, 2020 Posted June 6, 2020 I perfectly understand beta thing... Ok, I felt like I needed to clarify it for you, since you worded the thread title like if ED was breaking the sim on purpose and you seemed new here. For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
Rmnsvn Posted June 6, 2020 Author Posted June 6, 2020 Ok, I felt like I needed to clarify it for you, since you worded the thread title like if ED was breaking the sim on purpose and you seemed new here. I must've mentioned that. I was just too frustrated. The thing that pisses me off is that it actually feels Alpha, not beta. Actually, people are complaining even about the stable one.
Emmy Posted June 6, 2020 Posted June 6, 2020 It’s hard to test a “couple of new tweaks” when at least some of these OB releases wreak total havoc sim-wide. I freely admit that I’m not a coder or software engineer but the mind boggles when two additions to the F-16’s NAV System cause display visibility issues (HUDs and TGPs) in the Warthog, Hornet and Tomcat to the degree they become unflyable. It’s these kind of head scratchers that should, I think most will agree, be caught in house in internal testing before being pushed. And how does the F-16 NAV System have any relation to the overall luminance value of every map? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com
Svsmokey Posted June 6, 2020 Posted June 6, 2020 I guess i'm that guy . For me , performance is slightly better in the latest Open Beta . It now is at least as good as 2.55 and prolly better , and with the Litening working generally better . Still some new bugs , and a few old ones , but overall a positive step for me . Also not experiencing the protracted loading times some have reported . 9700k @ stock , Aorus Pro Z390 wifi , 32gb 3200 mhz CL16 , 1tb EVO 970 , MSI RX 6800XT Gaming X TRIO , Seasonic Prime 850w Gold , Coolermaster H500m , Noctua NH-D15S , CH Pro throttle and T50CM2/WarBrD base on Foxxmounts , CH pedals , Reverb G2v2
hawk2495 Posted June 6, 2020 Posted June 6, 2020 Let's look at it this way. Internal testing is usually on machines that are very similar in spec and software environment. So what works internally isn't necessarily going to work on Joe Schmoe's computer that is setup differently. Kinda the reason for the Opne Beta. Get the biggest sample size you can to test any changes. My performance is on par with the past few releases. Though I do have an occasional weird FPS drop, but not game breaking. Why is the rum always gone!?!?!?!
buzz1955 Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 Something is wrong, every update is broking something on old modules like K-50 or A10-C. I think they don't check before releasing it because now even in my case the stable one is worst the the OB.
Mars Exulte Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 Hey, remember when everybody was bitching about ''two versions'' and all the multiplayer servers were running beta because they're idiots and everybody wanted the new toys? I do. Hey, remember when as the bitching reached a fever pitch ED said they never intended for beta to be used the way people were using it, and that from now on it was going to be used as a full scale test bed version, as they originally intended, and that the ENTIRE POPULATION should move to stable EXCEPT people willing to be guinea pigs? I do. /thread Beta is likely to always go through cyclical ups and downs like this now. That is why the stable was delayed so long until they got the kinks worked out. If you don't like it, use stable. Period. All this prattling about ''beta vs alpha'' and blah blah is irrelevant. They have stated before beta is for testing only. And that's the end of it. They can call it ''beta'', ''alpha'', ''potato'', or ''iceberg lettuce'', it doesn't matter. It's not intended for public consumption at this point. Де вороги, знайдуться козаки їх перемогти. 5800x3d * 3090 * 64gb * Reverb G2
Exorcet Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 Beta is likely to always go through cyclical ups and downs like this now. That is why the stable was delayed so long until they got the kinks worked out. If you don't like it, use stable. Period. All this prattling about ''beta vs alpha'' and blah blah is irrelevant. They have stated before beta is for testing only. And that's the end of it. They can call it ''beta'', ''alpha'', ''potato'', or ''iceberg lettuce'', it doesn't matter. It's not intended for public consumption at this point. Well said. I continue to fly Stable by default and venture into OB for testing. I'm not having many problems myself. Just finished an escort mission with no performance issues or bugs at all. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files
Worrazen Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 I'm in the process of writing another bug report that may partially expose the reason behind the larger performance woes, but I have quite a few prerequisites to do, some of my posts include steps that I think I should standardize into a well writen tutorial and guide separately, appropriately posted in the newly created DCS Training Range forum. However it may not be the full story ofcourse, because this includes all builds in the at least past roughly ~12 months (I tested only half way back so far), and that includes the 2.5.5 stable. Modules: A-10C I/II, F/A-18C, Mig-21Bis, M-2000C, AJS-37, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, P-47, FC3, SC, CA, WW2AP, CE2. Terrains: NTTR, Normandy, Persian Gulf, Syria
sora_061 Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 You are on OpenBeta, so, you are actually helping testing it ... if you don’t feel like it, then please return to the Stable release. Don't get me wrong, it's just a constructive opinion, that just Don't say "Return to Stable". I have both versions installed. The stable got updated to 2.5.6 earlier which is same version as Earlier Open Beta (2.5.6.49798). So Stable release has own set of Open Beta bugs like, AI taxi, AI pathfinding, FA-18 radar infinite Bars/azimuth, TGP breaking bugs, Mig 21 UFO FM, KA-50 rearming Bug, to name a few. This problems are fixed in New Open Beta. So if you see things realistically both versions are Open Beta, later one being older Open Beta. Stable version is more broken than new Open Beta (AI taxi, Pathfinding are Core Game Breaking Bugs which shouldn't have been Merged into stable at first place.
Eldur Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 OP should ask the question somewhere else instead. Since, as opposed to DCS, their product is not entitled as "open beta" after all and they keep doing just that, breaking it again with every single update. ED was wise to name the thing early access and open beta. If it's broken, come here and tell, this will help to get out a new Stable version sooner.
Nealius Posted June 8, 2020 Posted June 8, 2020 Hey, remember when everybody was bitching about ''two versions'' and all the multiplayer servers were running beta because they're idiots and everybody wanted the new toys? I do. Hey, remember when as the bitching reached a fever pitch ED said they never intended for beta to be used the way people were using it, and that from now on it was going to be used as a full scale test bed version, as they originally intended, and that the ENTIRE POPULATION should move to stable EXCEPT people willing to be guinea pigs? I do. /thread Beta is likely to always go through cyclical ups and downs like this now. That is why the stable was delayed so long until they got the kinks worked out. If you don't like it, use stable. Period. All this prattling about ''beta vs alpha'' and blah blah is irrelevant. They have stated before beta is for testing only. And that's the end of it. They can call it ''beta'', ''alpha'', ''potato'', or ''iceberg lettuce'', it doesn't matter. It's not intended for public consumption at this point. You do realize "stable" now has all the bugs that were introduced two beta patches ago, right? Stable is nothing but a delayed Beta with the same bugs.
sora_061 Posted June 8, 2020 Posted June 8, 2020 You do realize "stable" now has all the bugs that were introduced two beta patches ago, right? Stable is nothing but a delayed Beta with the same bugs.People who say "go play stable" doesn't even know what's going on. They didn't even play stable. They just throw comments at genuinely frustrated customer who are reporting bugs and getting frustrated about it since those bugs are visible just when you start INSTANT ACTION MISSION. So it means neither Closed beta tester or ED QA team are testing core gameplays. They are there for new stuff testing like SC, AG Radar, P47 and channel map. Earlier Open beta bugs are pushed into Stable because it was not updated 6 months and to boost Supercarrier sale. If you are so sure stable is stable, check out AI taxi, Hornet's TPod, Radar, Mig 21 FM all broken. If I mention other KNOWN BUGS from OB which are pushed to stable, then the list would be so big, so I won't even bother.
Charly314159 Posted June 8, 2020 Posted June 8, 2020 People who say "go play stable" doesn't even know what's going on. They didn't even play stable. They just throw comments at genuinely frustrated customer who are reporting bugs and getting frustrated about it since those bugs are visible just when you start INSTANT ACTION MISSION. So it means neither Closed beta tester or ED QA team are testing core gameplays. They are there for new stuff testing like SC, AG Radar, P47 and channel map. Earlier Open beta bugs are pushed into Stable because it was not updated 6 months and to boost Supercarrier sale. If you are so sure stable is stable, check out AI taxi, Hornet's TPod, Radar, Mig 21 FM all broken. If I mention other KNOWN BUGS from OB which are pushed to stable, then the list would be so big, so I won't even bother. Agreed. That's what happens when a company incomes are so dependent on the release of early access products.
currenthill Posted June 8, 2020 Posted June 8, 2020 I recognize the argument about stable vs open beta. Nevertheless, I'm baffled by the fact that major bugs like the lighting issue wasn't caught by the QA team, when I takes about 5 seconds for a layman to spot it after getting into a cockpit. And no, I'm not bashing, I'm just baffled. And yes, I believe I have some experience in the field since I've spent the last 27 years in IT at large companies and seen my share of software development. _____________________________________________________________ Military Assets for DCS by Currenthill Questions about my assets - check my FAQ! Click here if you want to support my work by donations
Rmnsvn Posted June 10, 2020 Author Posted June 10, 2020 Updating to the latest nvidia driver seems to have sorted out a stutters issue for me. I was using March 2020 version as later used to have hornet SA bug. Version 446.14 is much more stable and fluid with dcs. Those who’re similarly struggling, give it a try. As for people claiming public beta is not for public... lol ok, sure.
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