Black Shark with Dreamflyer

[len hjalmarson]

Some of you may have seen the Dreamflyer full motion simulator at CES or on YTV or Youtube. I met with the CEO today to help acquaint him with the military simulation world and upcoming sims. Would like to make the connect with someone at Eagle Dynamics prior to GDC if the plan is to show a beta.

 

Check out Dreamflyer at

 

http://www.mydreamflyer.com/welcome.html

 

or on Youtube.. :smilewink:

[EvilBivol-1]

Forwarding to the proper authorities... ;)

[- Piloto da Morte -]

i want to know about the price :)

[Fjordmonkey]

I want one!

 

Too bad about the $2500 pricetag, but if I'm ever a single again and have the extra dough for it, I'm ordering one :D Would be awesome to play BS on, even though you don't have yaw on it :pilotfly:

[rocketeer]

Yaw is not that important, as you don't normally yaw that much in degrees, and as frequently, as pitching and rolling, which are all the times! Pitch and roll are the two basic DOF, which are good enough for me. Compared to the simulator by SimCraft, which is like $9-11K, the dreamflyer is more affordable. And because you are pitching and rolling with the flightstick, response is immediate for the dreamflyer. i saw the video at the simcraft site, there was a huge lack in response between the stick motion and the chasis. To pay like $10k and still have a poor stick response is not impressive to me.

 

Haven't said that, flying the dreamflyer plain is not going to be fun enough. You should build a light cockpit on it like front and side panels with switches. That will be really awesome for playing BlackShark.

[HitchHikingFlatlander]

^I agree they should make a heavier version for adding a proj., screen, side and front panels and possibly in the future make a version thats fully operational by itself rather than by the flight stick.

[leafer]

I'm sorry, man, but what's the point if the monitor also banks and pitches with you?

[HitchHikingFlatlander]

If the monitor doesnt move with you then your view will be off in regards to line of sight to the monitor. Say if the monitor was on a seperate table when you pulled up the pit would move with you and potentially block the screen.

[ericinexile]

The pitching and rolling of a full-motion simulator are mainly intended to simulate the lateral and longitudinal accelerations the pilot would be experiencing in real flight. I use full motion simulators all the time and, from the viewing platform, you never see a sim roll. Never. You see them pitch a lot to simulate acceleration and deceleration for takeoff and rollout. You see yaw to simulate engine failures. I think any open box, cheap (less than $5mil) motion simulator would be nothing more than a barf-wagon and a complete waste of cash.

[leafer]

Sorry I wasn't being clear. What I meant to say was that, I tried to imagine how this kind of motion simulator adds to the experience and couldn't. But I mean, in the real world, you're moving in a stationary horizon - well, kinda.

 

I'd like a force feedback, motion platform thingy. I just want to feel the bumpy ride. The acceleration and deceleration. The missile hit. Feel the thump as wheels meet runway. Most of all, I want to be tossed like a human salad while jinking like a pimp in hot pursuit.

 

Anyone knows if FBW keeps the jet straight and level at all times?

[rocketeer]

I do feel some vibrations on the chair and pedals from my bass shaker. But if you want to experience sudden jerks and surge, unfortunately real simulators just cost too much right now. Just pitch and roll are not impressive, but it's better than no motion at all.

[G3]

very cool.

got me thinking the pitch and roll is great for racing sims yet for flight i am wondering how it interprets a full roll or loop for example.

maybe the effects reverse as you pass the vertical 90, looks tops.

[TheMoose]

Toys for big boys :thumbup: lol:lol:

[Hekktor]

nothin more than a gimble mounted armchair...

i could use my grandma's old rockingchair and tell u 'hey - look what an experience on push and pull axis i do have now'...

 

:pilotfly:

[SUBS17]

The pitching and rolling of a full-motion simulator are mainly intended to simulate the lateral and longitudinal accelerations the pilot would be experiencing in real flight. I use full motion simulators all the time and, from the viewing platform, you never see a sim roll. Never. You see them pitch a lot to simulate acceleration and deceleration for takeoff and rollout. You see yaw to simulate engine failures. I think any open box, cheap (less than $5mil) motion simulator would be nothing more than a barf-wagon and a complete waste of cash.

 

I believe its possible to obtain full motion in a sim eg 360 roll pitch and yaw but it would cost a bit more than $2500 to get the full effect. BTW I have been in dogfights in a full motion sim(not partial motion) and spent alot of time hanging upside down. In a fighter sim it should mimick your aircrafts manouvres in real time. Its these partial motion sims that really cause people to get sick.(particularly pilots) Because the movement isn't matching what the body is naturally used to experiencing.

[lunanera]

The ultimate motion platform:

 

[CAT_101st]

The ultimate make you puke ride.

[SUBS17]

The ultimate motion platform:

 

 

Full 360 degree motion can be accomplished with 1/3 the size of that but that would make a good carrier sim type setup for arrester landings and cat launches.:thumbup:

[diveplane]

3 grand for it next no thx..lol

[Ferocious_Imbecile]

3 grand for it next no thx..lol

 

 

Yes, why spend so much on simming? You could save that money for your next Real Doll™;)

[Eagle Driver]

The thing about the DreamFlyer, as I see it, is that it's not really meant for an F-15, say. When you think about it, that's just too much power, the kind of rolls and pitches a jet fighter can do is way overboard for something to put in your house. However, if you were big into flying 737 in MSFS, or C172 or similar, you would be in for a treat, because that's all the motion you need. It would also be okay for a helo too, because I don't think you're going to be doing too many barrel-rolls and immelmanns in a Ka-50.

[Slaunyeh]

You never tryed a cobra in a K-50 ? Ho my so poor of you .:D

[ericinexile]

The thing about the DreamFlyer, as I see it, is that it's not really meant for an F-15, say. When you think about it, that's just too much power, the kind of rolls and pitches a jet fighter can do is way overboard for something to put in your house. However, if you were big into flying 737 in MSFS, or C172 or similar, you would be in for a treat, because that's all the motion you need. It would also be okay for a helo too, because I don't think you're going to be doing too many barrel-rolls and immelmanns in a Ka-50.

 

That's just it. It is impossible to experience the accelerations of a barrel-roll in a simulator. Just because an jet is in vertical flight doesn't necessarily mean the pilot is experiencing anything close the accelerations of a simulator pointed at the sky, if such a thing were even possible. But let's say that the sim is pointed straight up not to simulate vertical flight but to simulate a 1-G acceleration Takeoff in burner. Well that's cool, but in order to get into and out of vertical the sim will introduce very unrealistic and barf-inducing pitching movements. The real thing--ie, a real jet or helo-- is now and always will be the only way to get the full experience. Any attempt to cover more than just the most basic accelerations with a full-motion sim would introduce far more unrealistic sensations than what you experience now at your desk. Real is a good joystick that is so tightly sprung, it must be bolted to the desk. That's all I want.

 

Smokin' Hole

[CAT_101st]

Real is a good joystick that is so tightly sprung, it must be bolted to the desk. That's all I want.

 

Smokin' Hole

 

+1 :thumbup: