reported TGP poor image, contrast control

[some1]

TGP image in F-16 is much worse than in other aircraft. It has low dynamic range (whites are gray, not white) and the contrast adjustment does not really adjust contrast.

 

Same mission, same distance, same targeting pod in the Hog, Hornet and Viper. In the Viper even the target cross and north arrow are dark gray while they are white in the other aircraft.

 

You can try to manually play with gain control, but it will only make parts of the image even darker. Though it will help somewhat with making the tanks stand out against the background.

 

Another possible issue is that the contrast rocker (bottom right) does not adjust contrast, but something else. Instead of making "brights brighter and blacks blacker" evenly across the range, the contrast increase makes everything black except the whitest spots, which now become white. And the opposite when clicking the other way.

 

 

While changing contrast on a grayscale image should work like this (if it is really a contrast adjustment):

 

Edited September 28, 2020 by some1

[jonsky7]

+1 Agreed, I'm not really liking the TPOD image in the F16 at the moment.

[Furiz]

+1 Agreed, I'm not really liking the TPOD image in the F16 at the moment.

 

 

There is already a thread about F16 TGP

 

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=278363

[some1]

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=278363

 

That's a different problem with FLIR image in all DCS aircraft, since a year or so. ED can't reproduce, therefore problem is unsolvable.

[AlexCaboose]

This has been an issue ever since the TGP update. It's sad, but I actually miss the old TGP at this point because it wasn't nearly as buggy and was a whole lot more visible.

[Fri13]

Possibly waiting a new FLIR system to be dropped in?

[RuskyV]

It gets worse when you have destroyed a target that is on fire, the whole area around the burning get completely washed out.

[foxwxl]

+1. If there is smoke around the target area, it will mass up the whole TGP, poor AGC, and even MGC can't tweak it back.

[AlexCaboose]

Any news to share on this?

[AlexCaboose]

Any updates? The TGP is very hard to use at night because the contrast is so much worse than it was before the changes made to the pod.

[=Pedro=]

Contrast? What Contrast :)

[obsidianuk]

Is this also part of the same problem;

 

Mission at nights, anything FLIR such as TGP / IR MAV is super bright. Cant even read MFD symbology / text

 

[AlexCaboose]

Any updates on the contrast issue?

[BIGNEWY]

Hi all,

 

you need to adjust the brightness and contrast for the situation.

 

thanks 

[AlexCaboose]

The default picture of the F-16's TGP is nowhere near what it is by default in the Hornet or the A-10/II. Even with contrast and brightness adjustment, it doesn't work properly as someone noted above.

[RuskyV]

Something annoying is the cursor getting washed out as you try to change contrast and brightness settings, i thought the symbol brightness controlled the cross hair brightness and the TGP information around the outside. Messing with Symbol brightness seems to do nothing much at all.

[some1]

On 2/8/2021 at 9:27 PM, BIGNEWY said:

Hi all,

 

you need to adjust the brightness and contrast for the situation.

 

thanks 

 

The contrast adjustment is broken and does not adjust contrast. You can not achieve the same TGP image quality as in other planes with the same pod. Everything is explained in the 1st post. 

 

It wasn't always like that, the original TGP implementation for F-16 worked better. It got broken in one of the updates. 

 

Also the cursor disappears when you start messing with contrast, again, check the screenshots in the first post. 

Edited February 17, 2021 by some1

[NineLine]

Hey guys, I am looking into this, I do believe the way Contrast and Brightness adjustments on all the above aircraft might need looking at, especially the Viper. I did some Photoshop magic with a FLIR WHOT image and think we can tweak it some, but I need to find good reference, or as good as I can get for the real things.

 

So I know its hard, but give me a little bit of time to fully absorb myself into the issue at hand, as well, I need to see how the FLIR update will affect these things as well. Thanks!

[NineLine]

Hey all, just an update on this, I have reported this to have brightness and contrast to be reviewed on the F-16, A-10C and Hornet. I think they all need love as far as the controls go and how the control bar responds as well. This may have to wait until the new FLIR system is in place, but just so you know, its submitted to the team, thanks!

[obsidianuk]

On 2/8/2021 at 8:27 PM, BIGNEWY said:

Hi all,

 

you need to adjust the brightness and contrast for the situation.

 

thanks 

The brightness and contrast buttons on the MFDs do not work!

[riojax]

On 2/23/2021 at 9:37 PM, NineLine said:

Hey all, just an update on this, I have reported this to have brightness and contrast to be reviewed on the F-16, A-10C and Hornet. I think they all need love as far as the controls go and how the control bar responds as well. This may have to wait until the new FLIR system is in place, but just so you know, its submitted to the team, thanks!

 

Thank you for reporting, will it fixed for 2.7?

[NineLine]

I'm sorry, right now I cant give a good timeline, I made a quite complex report on this for the A-10, F-16 and F/A-18, and all aspects concerned. I gave them lots to chew on so it might take some time. Thanks!

[Florence201]

On 3/2/2021 at 2:10 AM, obsidianuk said:

The brightness and contrast buttons on the MFDs do not work!

 

Yes they do. Use them and grayscale manual AGC all help in the short term.

[Furiz]

On 2/23/2021 at 10:37 PM, NineLine said:

Hey all, just an update on this, I have reported this to have brightness and contrast to be reviewed on the F-16, A-10C and Hornet. I think they all need love as far as the controls go and how the control bar responds as well. This may have to wait until the new FLIR system is in place, but just so you know, its submitted to the team, thanks!

 

Good to hear, thanks!

[deadpool]

I also would like to add that - especially in VR - the graphic effect used to show the LCD character of the display of the MFDs leads to a moire effect on the MFDs ..

 

Kinda like:

 

It just reduces the visibility a lot further.

 

When zoomed in a lot, of when putting your face directly in front of the MFD you can see it quite ok:

 

but when sitting normally, you get aliasing and moire effects:

 (and here it's quite mild)

 

BR,

Deadpool

Edited March 31, 2021 by deadpool