Did 2.7 bring FM changes?

[Donut]

I haven't had a chance to fly the Hornet since 2.7.  Has anyone noticed FM changes to the Hornet...turn rate, acceleration, drag, etc?  I did not see anything mentioned in the change log.

[notproplayer3]

I really don't feel like anything has changed, perhaps someone else can confirm this ?

[Bunny Clark]

There were a number of notes in the change log about changes to stores, which should have an indirect effect. 

[Donut]

The reason I ask is that in the following post dated Feb. 17, Wags mentioned the FM being updated in the next Open Beta... 

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/165047-hornet-mini-updates/?do=findComment&comment=4575378

 

Maybe it just didn't make it in this patch.

Edited April 15, 2021 by N0430BM

[Vortex225]

I only have a few hours in the Hornet after the last patch, but my subjective qualitative assessment is that the jet feels less draggy than before. More data needed, so take that with a healthy bit of skepticism.

So far I like this Hornet better. It definitely sounds better, that much is certain.

[Brass2-1]

My only feedback is that it seemed maybe a tad less draggy above Mach with the dual AAM racks.

[BIGNEWY]

Hi, 

 

some drag values have been adjusted but no flight model adjustments yet. A flight model review is being done.

 

thank you

[Donut]

4 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Hi, 

 

some drag values have been adjusted but no flight model adjustments yet. A flight model review is being done.

 

thank you

Roger that BIGNEWY and thank you for the info.  I look forward to taking the Hornet up tomorrow and seeing if the new drag values have any effect on performance.  I believe it has been mentioned around here that the DCS Hornet is a bit draggy/slow to accelerate compared to real life.  Looking forward to the results of the FM review!

[Machalot]

6 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Hi, 

 

some drag values have been adjusted but no flight model adjustments yet. A flight model review is being done.

 

thank you

Just curious, are the drag coefficients not considered part of the flight model?  If not, then what does "flight model" include, because I have been thinking of it wrong.

[Tholozor]

Drag coefficients in this instance may pertain to weapon racks and ordnance, which aren't necessarily part of the aircraft's FM.

[Machalot]

1 minute ago, Tholozor said:

Drag coefficients in this instance may pertain to weapon racks and ordnance, which aren't necessarily part of the aircraft's FM.

Fair enough. Just depends where you choose to draw that boundary. 

[Dragon1-1]

10 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Hi, 

 

some drag values have been adjusted but no flight model adjustments yet. A flight model review is being done.

 

thank you

Does this include engine response model? There was a thread here recently, full of sources that pointed out that it is, in fact, very fast, unlike what we have.

[Napa]

It felt a big "heavier" at times so definitely there were some changes with drag

[bkthunder]

Don't forget the engine spool times at lower altitudes are off by 250% compared to the real F-404! This must be fixed also as part of the FM changes!

[BIGNEWY]

1 hour ago, bkthunder said:

Don't forget the engine spool times at lower altitudes are off by 250% compared to the real F-404! This must be fixed also as part of the FM changes!

have you posted evidence for your claims on the forum? I must have missed it.

[alexbap]

1 hour ago, BIGNEWY said:

have you posted evidence for your claims on the forum? I must have missed it.

 

 

[jetsimace]

On 4/15/2021 at 11:10 PM, BIGNEWY said:

Hi, 

 

some drag values have been adjusted but no flight model adjustments yet. A flight model review is being done.

 

thank you

Thanks, highly appreciated! And please also have a look at the rolling behaviour - while moving on the carrier deck, the Hornet often slides over the front wheels straight ahead or even moves in the opposite direction (esp. when high gain steering is engaged) - thanks!

[irish_luck]

You're experiencing understeer, be smooth on the rudder and don't jam in too much power.

[jetsimace]

3 hours ago, irish_luck said:

You're experiencing understeer, be smooth on the rudder and don't jam in too much power.

No, there is definitely something wrong with the mechanics - please see https://drive.google.com/file/d/12t1xpvb91cgPa4tu3giTl52Ev1v80smW/view
(video taken from an older version, but this issue still persists in DCS 2.7)

[irish_luck]

9 hours ago, jetsimace said:

No, there is definitely something wrong with the mechanics - please see https://drive.google.com/file/d/12t1xpvb91cgPa4tu3giTl52Ev1v80smW/view
(video taken from an older version, but this issue still persists in DCS 2.7)

How are the wheels supposed to roll like that? Get rolling forward, then turn, that video isn't an outright bug. Try riding a bike where you turn the handlebars perpendicular to you and start pedaling.

[Toastman]

Regarding FM changes ... for me the Hornet doesn't feel as floaty in the final approach faze , which to me makes it easier to trap successfully !

 

Just wish we had a official SuperHornet !

 

[wilbur81]

3 hours ago, Toastman said:

 

Just wish we had a official SuperHornet !

 

Bluh... no. Fat, draggy, disproportioned, slower, and all around disappointing compared to the Legacy. I'll take less fuel and more of a chance of departure over the ugly Super any day! 

[jetsimace]

On 5/8/2021 at 7:26 AM, irish_luck said:

How are the wheels supposed to roll like that? Get rolling forward, then turn, that video isn't an outright bug. Try riding a bike where you turn the handlebars perpendicular to you and start pedaling.

That might be a workaround, I agree. But that's not the point: the plane should not be moving like that, so the mechanics are not implemented as they should be. 

[Machalot]

6 hours ago, jetsimace said:

That might be a workaround, I agree. But that's not the point: the plane should not be moving like that, so the mechanics are not implemented as they should be. 

You may be exceeding the friction limit on the tires. If you apply less thrust does it still under steer? I have experienced what you're showing, but at lower thrust and lower speed I am able to control the jet quite precisely with high gain NWS. 

[jetsimace]

On 5/9/2021 at 5:14 PM, Machalot said:

You may be exceeding the friction limit on the tires. If you apply less thrust does it still under steer? I have experienced what you're showing, but at lower thrust and lower speed I am able to control the jet quite precisely with high gain NWS. 

I think the friction limit of the front tires is way too low (even under dry and non-freezing conditions) - as if the deck would be very slippery or being covered with blackice.