[REQUEST] Su-25A Mayor Update?

[Grajo]

Hi,

 

Now that I have started to enjoy VR in DCS, it is really shocking how different it feels to fly this bird compared to any other, for example, from the flaming clifts "family", can not be compared to MiG-29 at all... Graphically It has aged really bad IMO. A part from it´s unfixed exterior model mesh cliping inside cockpit problem... (6 years... with no fix already) :  https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/124853-reportedsu-25a-missing-texture/page/2/?tab=comments#comment-4691215

 

Please ED, some love for Su-25A after all these years???

 

Any info/plans for Su-25A from the Devs?

 

Thank you

[Caster]

I would also love a bit of a refresh for the Su-25 planes. Obviously the dream would be a full fidelity one, but I have a soft spot for the froggy in any case

[Mike_Romeo]

As far I know, the orginial files went lost. So if they want to update the Su-25, it would be a complete redo of the Frogfoot.

[BTTW-DratsaB]

My hope is that perhaps once ModernAirCombat is done, maybe they can use the SU25a resources from that to update this module.

[Harlikwin]

They just need to do a FF Su-25. Lets be real its 20% more effort than a WW2 module due to the gunsight and weapons computer.

 

 

Edited September 19, 2021 by Harlikwin

[NineLine]

11 hours ago, Harlikwin said:

They just need to do a FF Su-25. Lets be real its 20% more effort than a WW2 module due to the gunsight and weapons computer.

 

 

 

Even the Su-25 is still very protected by the Russian government. 

[Harlikwin]

4 hours ago, NineLine said:

Even the Su-25 is still very protected by the Russian government. 

 

Seriously? It's like a hind with wings. Same era, similar weapons etc. 

 

I mean i'll buy it for a dollar if you say so. But its totally illogical. 

Edited September 19, 2021 by Harlikwin

[SovietAce]

Does that mean FF MiG-29A is no go? Its way more complex aircraft than Su-25 after all.

[Harlikwin]

1 hour ago, SovietAce said:

Does that mean FF MiG-29A is no go? Its way more complex aircraft than Su-25 after all.

 

Well ED has said they are trying to the FF29... So one theory might be they have more "mig" docs than SU-25 docs, or sources etc. And TBH I expect the FF 29 would be a far bigger seller than a FF SU-25. But at the end of the day its all about costs vs profits to develop a module.

[Mike_Romeo]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb SovietAce:

Does that mean FF MiG-29A is no go? Its way more complex aircraft than Su-25 after all.

 
Well yes but the MiG-29 was widely more exported and captured by the NATO after the German reunification.

[Mars Exulte]

On 9/19/2021 at 4:34 PM, Mike_Romeo said:

 
Well yes but the MiG-29 was widely more exported and captured by the NATO after the German reunification.

 

That's probably the defining criteria right there. MiG-29s are all over the world, including in multiple NATO countries. Longterm, Ukraine turning westward may eventually result in increased access to stuff like MiG-29s, Su-27s, Su-24s, Su-25s... albeit probably not in a timely fashion, and it doesn't exactly prevent other government involvement in the process. As long as ED operates primarily in Russia, that's always going to be a thorn in their side.

[Weta43]

Leaving aside all the other ways the West could have accessed details of the Su-25's performance and capabilities, the Iraqi air-force reintroduced Su-25 to its stable of aircraft in 2014 - So they've been flying while the US were operating from bases there.

There is literally zero chance that every single piece of technology in those aircraft, and every set of test results anyone might want to do to evaluate the aircraft, has not been handed over for inspection to the US military 

[Supernova-III]

On 9/19/2021 at 5:13 PM, NineLine said:

Even the Su-25 is still very protected by the Russian government. 

There are many other (former) operators of Su-25, Czechia for example. Many people mentioned this, but developers tend to not respond to this. Could you please clarify what do you mean by "still very protected by the Russian government"? Why this makes ED avoiding Su-25?

Edited October 30, 2024 by Supernova-III

[draconus]

4 hours ago, Supernova-III said:

There are many other (former) operators of Su-25, Czechia for example. Many people mentioned this, but developers tend to not respond to this. Could you please clarify what do you mean by "still very protected by the Russian government"? Why this makes ED avoiding Su-25?

ED used to have offices and employees in both Russia and Belarus - playing against their governments is very dagerous game for their people and their families.

[Supernova-III]

40 minutes ago, draconus said:

ED used to have offices and employees in both Russia and Belarus - playing against their governments is very dagerous game for their people and their families.

There's a lot can be done just based on public sources, mainly books about Su-25. For example:

1. Wheel brake axes

2. Navigation system: manual control over steerpoints for every programmed airfield

3. Weapon control: set the amount of unguided rockets to fire, at least

It doesn't require to get access to secret documents.

 

 

Edited October 30, 2024 by Supernova-III

[draconus]

4 minutes ago, Supernova-III said:

There's a lot can be done just based on public sources, mainly books about Su-25. Some of them:

1. Wheel brake axes

2. Navigation system: manual control over steerpoints for every programmed airfield

3. Weapon control: set the amount of unguided rockets to fire, at least

It doesn't require to get access to secret documents.

If you mean FF module they don't have such plans and they already told about their concerns - it may have no secrets hidden but it may be still not ok for Russian gov.

If you mean just updates to the Flaming Cliffs module, fine, but they say they are complete modules and no further features are planned.

I'm not against any of these but just trying to explain to you ED's stance so you don't get your hopes up.

[Supernova-III]

Just now, draconus said:

If you mean FF module they don't have such plans and they already told about their concerns - it may have no secrets hidden but it may be still not ok for Russian gov.

If you mean just updates to the Flaming Cliffs module, fine, but they say they are complete modules and no further features are planned.

I'm not against any of these but just trying to explain to you ED's stance so you don't get your hopes up.

Yeah, I'm aware of their position and I'm basically hopelessly trying to win something. This is my fav aircraft. What else can I do? Maybe build my own sim with Su-25, but you know... There are little to no options, so I'm trying to push my position. I'm fine if ED are not gonna make FF module because of possible conflict with RF. But what I don't understand, is how is that freaking possible to ignore obviously obvious flaws in the existing module, and why they don't have any plans to fix this. Why no plans?