F-15E WIP Update Discussion

[Mike Force Team]

This could be the date the strike eagle is considered fully released. Hopefully, the early access will be released sooner 

[Thx1137]

43 minutes ago, Ignition said:

I would like to know how is the testing process for a new module, for example if they research how the avionics and aircraft should work? or if they request the information from the 3rd party or do they have their own SMEs.

It would be interesting to know the details. If the delay is accurate and it is the ED testing time then that implies a heck of a lot of detailed testing, or, they don't have people available to test it for a while. Maybe the Sinai and other modules were in the queue first. In witch case we are just unlucky.

My read is that at least some Razbam staff were caught by surprise too so I would think that that means that level of delay is not normal.

We are all reading between the lines and making assumptions so who knows. Only ED can tell us for sure.

[giullep]

https://stormbirds.blog/2023/05/23/razbam-release-cold-start-video-tease-release-date/
 

Release july….more than 2 weeks…

Edited May 24, 2023 by giullep

[Hoirtel]

Seems a lot of hype for July release, there is only so many videos I can watch. What good is five cold start videos two months before release? 

I hope they were trolling us but seems an odd troll. They should say two weeks, when it is actually two weeks away. That would be funny and honestly what I thought they were doing last time.... 

[SteelPig]

4 hours ago, Thx1137 said:

After a tiny bit of research... Seeing Razbam said that that release date was out of their control and apparently set by ED, I wonder why you blame them for it?

I am assuming it is so ED can get their testers to approve it which is something they had mentioned before. If so it is still a huge length of time and a PITA for those of us that didn't factor that time in.

 

To be honest, Razbam was saying a lot. "There is no delay, the delay is ED's fault and the delay is just a few days from early June to early July. So nothing to see here!"

[Ich Dien]

2 hours ago, giullep said:

https://stormbirds.blog/2023/05/23/razbam-release-cold-start-video-tease-release-date/
 

Release july….more than 2 weeks…

 

Excellent news if that's true! All the beta tester feedback will be fully actioned and there's more than enough time to eliminate any possible integration issues through a pre-patch. Obviously open beta is open beta, but it seems like stability has been prioritised here and hopefully we see that bear through in the end.

Edited May 24, 2023 by Ich Dien

[supersylph]

I know a lot of players are actually wrong to be angry. But they get hope because of the hype again and again, and they are disappointed again and again, I understand very well.Although I know that the production of high-quality aircraft will be slow, but at least since last August until now, ED and RAZBAM have been promoting and hyping it. Non-stop sooon, tow weeks, let people keep looking forward, especially recently there are a lot of videos, even if 15E is released tomorrow, it will not be surprising. It's really disappointing to hear that it will be postponed for at least a month.

[Thx1137]

9 minutes ago, SteelPig said:

To be honest, Razbam was saying a lot. "There is no delay, the delay is ED's fault and the delay is just a few days from early June to early July. So nothing to see here!"

NineLine seems to be saying they don't know what the date is or means and as far as they are concerned it is a normal release. So it looks like there are some wires crossed between some of the Razbam guys. I dunno, it doesn't really matter because I was just trying to work it all out out of interest. I'm not going to hate on any of them because I'm sure they are doing their best and nobody is perfect. Including us... I think expectations could have been set better but it is what it is, 

What would really make me laugh is if the date was mis-entered in the video! 

That's it from me though. Now I'm back to just waiting and watching.

[SteelPig]

5 minutes ago, Thx1137 said:

NineLine seems to be saying they don't know what the date is or means and as far as they are concerned it is a normal release. So it looks like there are some wires crossed between some of the Razbam guys. I dunno, it doesn't really matter because I was just trying to work it all out out of interest. I'm not going to hate on any of them because I'm sure they are doing their best and nobody is perfect. Including us... I think expectations could have been set better but it is what it is, 

What would really make me laugh is if the date was mis-entered in the video! 

That's it from me though. Now I'm back to just waiting and watching.

Basically, I see it exactly so.
What you can reproach Razbam is their miserable communication. I would not have brought the cold and dark video under the circumstances yet, to give an example. They had to know what those who see it think. Because they themselves have ensured. To then wonder that people are angry is a little strange.

[TJTAS]

I don't get it. This seems very disingenuous that it's good enough for the freeloading Youtube DH's but us paying customers have to wait?. Now it seems that we will have to wait 2 more months while these knobs are playing and learning it on our dime?. Doesn't make much sense either as it's not going to make huge numbers of sales (the people who will want it have mostly paid for it) but it is going to annoy those of us who have paid our damned money.

[AhSoul]

I think you could look at it this way. If they know the release is in July then a lot of the videos coming out now aren't aimed at us - the people that have already pre-ordered. We committed ages ago and we just have to wait for release. They're aimed at the people that haven't pre-ordered - get them interested to sell more copies.

Watch them or not, that's our choice. No point in getting annoyed with it....

[bfr]

4 hours ago, Mike Force Team said:

This could be the date the strike eagle is considered fully released. Hopefully, the early access will be released sooner 

To be 'fully released' it'd have to be feature complete. Considering what we already know won't be in the first EA release then not a cat in hell's chance that prediction is correct.

[pii]

6 hours ago, Thx1137 said:

After a tiny bit of research... Seeing Razbam said that that release date was out of their control and apparently set by ED, I wonder why you blame them for it?

I am assuming it is so ED can get their testers to approve it which is something they had mentioned before. If so it is still a huge length of time and a PITA for those of us that didn't factor that time in.

 

1. Assuming is never a good idea.

2. Never take me seriously.

3. It was a joke line having to do with them delaying their preorder, no one is blaming anyone for anything.

4. It'll be released in two weeks!

Happy flying! 

[bfr]

1 hour ago, TJTAS said:

I don't get it. This seems very disingenuous that it's good enough for the freeloading Youtube DH's but us paying customers have to wait?. Now it seems that we will have to wait 2 more months while these knobs are playing and learning it on our dime?. Doesn't make much sense either as it's not going to make huge numbers of sales (the people who will want it have mostly paid for it) but it is going to annoy those of us who have paid our damned money.

You're making quite big assumptions there though about the stability/state of the release the "freeloading Youtube DH's" have.

There's a reasonable case to be made that they're peaking a little too soon with the hype train if it is still 5-9 weeks out (preview builds could still be issued to third parties and content could still be made under embargo that it isn't released until 2-3 weeks out from a committed-to date). Otherwise though, 'its ready when its ready' and there's no logical reason they'd sit on it if it had already been through QA and was genuinely fit for release right now.

2 hours ago, Thx1137 said:

NineLine seems to be saying they don't know what the date is or means and as far as they are concerned it is a normal release. So it looks like there are some wires crossed between some of the Razbam guys. I dunno, it doesn't really matter because I was just trying to work it all out out of interest. I'm not going to hate on any of them because I'm sure they are doing their best and nobody is perfect. Including us... I think expectations could have been set better but it is what it is, 

What would really make me laugh is if the date was mis-entered in the video! 

That's it from me though. Now I'm back to just waiting and watching.

Maybe they're applying the Star Trek 'Scotty Principle of Estimation' where you overestimate time needed and then appear to overdeliver when you smash that deadline 

[AhSoul]

From what I'm reading elsewhere the release date was supposed to be in June, hence the start of all the videos, and only very recently have ED/RB taken the decision to move it to July.

[Scott-S6]

2 hours ago, TJTAS said:

I don't get it. This seems very disingenuous that it's good enough for the freeloading Youtube DH's but us paying customers have to wait?. Now it seems that we will have to wait 2 more months while these knobs are playing and learning it on our dime?. Doesn't make much sense either as it's not going to make huge numbers of sales (the people who will want it have mostly paid for it) but it is going to annoy those of us who have paid our damned money.

I think you're completely wrong on this one. A massive portion of the community doesn't use the forum at all and may not even be aware that there was a strike eagle to preorder.

6 hours ago, Mike Force Team said:

This could be the date the strike eagle is considered fully released. Hopefully, the early access will be released sooner 

"Full release" is likely 2+ years away.

[Hiob]

4 hours ago, TJTAS said:

I don't get it. This seems very disingenuous that it's good enough for the freeloading Youtube DH's but us paying customers have to wait?. Now it seems that we will have to wait 2 more months while these knobs are playing and learning it on our dime?. Doesn't make much sense either as it's not going to make huge numbers of sales (the people who will want it have mostly paid for it) but it is going to annoy those of us who have paid our damned money.

Those Youtube-Influencers are just a modern marketing channel. It is advertising. They are attention multipliers. It makes no sense at all to hate on them or be jaelous. It has nothing to do with you preordering. You are a customer. They are means or tools.

One could argue about the timing to start such a marketing campaign and personally I'd put it closer to EA-release. But other than that......

edit: grammatical corrections

Edited May 24, 2023 by Hiob

[Beirut]

16 minutes ago, Hiob said:

Those Youtube-Influencers are just a modern marketing channel. It is advertising. They are attention multipliers.

 

That! 

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

I can't help but thinking it is kinda like those YouTube car shows driving new cars some may have pre-ordered...

[Bananabrai]

It kinda got disgusting reading this thread.
Expectations, assumptions, demands, one can only get disappointed believing what is floating around here (and elsewhere).

[Ranucci]

July isn't the issue for me. I think that Razbam should have been more transparent over the release, giving us a date from the start of the pre-order, at least, even if it would be postponed. That would give us an idea on how the development is going and when to expect a release.

If they have said that it would release in August back then, I wouldn't be so disappointed as I am now, considering the release is in July...

[av8orDave]

6 minutes ago, Ranucci said:

July isn't the issue for me. I think that Razbam should have been more transparent over the release, giving us a date from the start of the pre-order, at least, even if it would be postponed. That would give us an idea on how the development is going and when to expect a release.

If they have said that it would release in August back then, I wouldn't be so disappointed as I am now, considering the release is in July...

Agree. The issue (for me at least) has never been about the date, the development timeline, etc; It is about setting expectations. I don't believe it to be a good marketing practice, nor particularly helpful, for a company to say something like "the release is imminent" when it is still six months away. I believe most would find this misleading. As recently as two weeks ago, Eagle Dynamics said on their twitter "the Strike Eagle is coming in hot and soon you'll be able to fly this..." and "we are getting close now"... If one of my employees told me those statements, then said we're a few months off, I'd be pissed. 

This really isn't a new thing. I'd advocate for pre-orders to only go live with an anticipated early access release date. 

For those that disagree with me, I appreciate your opinion. I only write this stuff in hopes that maybe Razbam, Heatblur, and particularly ED receive the feedback as constructive and stop saying things like "release is imminent!" when it is still months away. I'm sure they hate seeing all the disgruntled comments on the forums, but I'm not sure they don't feed much of it.

[Rudel_chw]

2 minutes ago, Ranucci said:

.. giving us a date from the start of the pre-order, at least, even if it would be postponed. That would give us an idea on how the development is going and when to expect a release.

 

That's not true, everytime ED or its partners have to postpone a date there is a huge basckslash of community criticism ... and missed dates tells you nothing about the development or its release date. 

I prefer to believe that Razbam encountered more development difficulties than it expected and thus the delays on providing an actual release date, but really I don't care, I waited until the release seemed more certain, so when ED featured it on May 12th newsletter and said that it was close, I bite the bullet and pre-purchased it

.. waiting a month or two isn't a big deal to me, I will spent the time learning more about the Mirage F1

 

[Rodeo]

I’ll say it again.. I am more anticipating the Sinai release happening sooner than the F15E now (and I pre-ordered day one). It’s the start of summer time here in the Northern Hemisphere, my kids are home from college, and outdoor activities (cough cough enjoying adult beverages with friends) takes a lot of my time. I would much rather fly a new map with the short amount of time to myself than try to learn a new aircraft. So I have just accepted it will happen when it happens. 

[av8orDave]

2 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

 

That's not true, everytime ED or its partners have to postpone a date there is a huge basckslash of community criticism ... and missed dates tells you nothing about the development or its release date. 

I prefer to believe that Razbam encountered more development difficulties than it expected and thus the delays on providing an actual release date, but really I don't care, I waited until the release seemed more certain, so when ED featured it on May 12th newsletter and said that it was close, I bite the bullet and pre-purchased it

.. waiting a month or two isn't a big deal to me, I will spent the time learning more about the Mirage F1

 

You're right, there is always a big backlash when these developers miss dates. Having said that, that is exactly what is driving this backlash. Saying that the release is "imminent" or "very soon" when it is months away is effectively the same as missing a date. It sets an expectation that is then not met. The alternatives are 1) setting a date and sticking to it or 2) keeping your mouth shut until you actually can see a release date that you can execute (i.e. know as a fact that you can release next month because the product is ready to go today, announce the date, open the "pre-order", and release as communicated).

A really good way to do things would be to say "we could release today, and ED agrees, so we'll announce a release date three months from now. We'll spend that 90 days polishing, testing, and adding any "nice to have" features, but ultimately the product is ready to go now, so there can't be any delays."