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Awesome update! Very pleased with what I'm seeing!


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C'est bel et bon, Monsieur Helljumper!💌

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thank you so much for this update! I am very happy for this news. any news regarding the new M2000 sound pack?

 

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36 minuti fa, Geraki ha scritto:

Very nice please keep coming to improve BVR capabilities (Radar and BVR Missiles) - in order to entered into BVR Arena VS F-16/FA-18 ......

Welldone so far!!!

No, no and a thousand times no. The Mirage 2000C can only carry Matra 530D and Magic II. Everything else is just not real. If you want to enter BVR arena use another module.


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4 hours ago, =36=Witcher said:

No, no and a thousand times no. The Mirage 2000C can only carry Matra 530D and Magic II. Everything else is just not real. If you want to enter BVR arena use another module.

 

 

Because according to you, the 530D is not a BVR missile?

The 2000 was BVR capable before the AIM-7 was integrated to the Block25 or the Hornet, in the frame of a scenario put back in the context of their respective service lives, the two US aircrafts would be limited to AIM-9s, the F-16 Block 25 didn't become fully operational before October of 1988, by then the 2000 was already equiped with the 530D.


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3 hours ago, Thinder said:

 

Because according to you, the 530D is not a BVR missile?

The 2000 was BVR capable before the AIM-7 was integrated to the Block25 or the Hornet, in the frame of a scenario put back in the context of their respective service lives, the two US aircrafts would be limited to AIM-9s, the F-16 Block 25 didn't become fully operational before October of 1988, by then the 2000 was already equiped with the 530D.

 

Barely...

During the majority 80's the M2k had RDM and 530F... Like only at the very last year or two did it get RDI and 530D. And even then thats mostly on paper. Hell in 86 they had squadrons with F1's and 530 (not F) flying around.

At any rate I look forward to this new radar model, its about time we get some better sensor modeling in DCS and I really don't care which Dev's do it, be it Raz or Deka, and hopefully ED will follow suite.


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Il 14/11/2021 at 01:25, Thinder ha scritto:

 

Because according to you, the 530D is not a BVR missile?

The 2000 was BVR capable before the AIM-7 was integrated to the Block25 or the Hornet, in the frame of a scenario put back in the context of their respective service lives, the two US aircrafts would be limited to AIM-9s, the F-16 Block 25 didn't become fully operational before October of 1988, by then the 2000 was already equiped with the 530D.

 

That's not what I meant! @Gerakiwas asking for "Improve BVR capabilities (Radar and BVR missiles)" and I just replied that the M2000C already has its BVR capabilities implemented. Everything else would not be an M2000C capability.

The point here is that some people wants the M2000C to be able to stand out against modern F-16 and F-18 equipped with 120s and 9Xs. We all know that facing Fox3 capable modules with the M2000C is possible but needs training and careful execution, not "better weapons" that are not even remotely compatible in real life.

Il 13/11/2021 at 23:36, LtCol_Davenport ha scritto:

But the real question is: Will we ever get a version of the Mirage with Fox-3 and a T-POD? 😄

This is another module, said plenty of times.


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Excellent work. Thanks Razbam team!

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2 hours ago, =36=Witcher said:

That's not what I meant! @Gerakiwas asking for "Improve BVR capabilities (BVR and missiles)" and I just replied that the M2000C already has its BVR capabilities implemented. Everything else would not be an M2000C capability.

The point here is that some people wants the M2000C to be able to stand out against modern F-16 and F-18 equipped with 120s and 9Xs. We all know that facing Fox3 capable modules with the M2000C is possible but needs training and careful execution, not "better weapons" that are not even remotely compatible in real life.

This is another module, said plenty of times.

Agreed on all those points.

 

Hopefully we'll get a m 2000-5 at some points as a new module, it would be awesome as it is the current M2000C

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2 hours ago, falcon_120 said:

Hopefully we'll get a m 2000-5 at some points as a new module, it would be awesome as it is the current M2000C

Mirage 2000-9 would be (IMO) a better option.

https://www.dassault-aviation.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2012/08/Mirage_2000-9_special_issue1.pdf

- Nav/attack system:
Modular avionics, new RDY-2 multimode radar, digitally terrain following system, new IMEWS countermeasures, Thomrad
radio with frequency evasion and enhanced encoding, glass cockpit with new LCD visualisation plus night vision goggles com-
patibility, data-link, gyro-laser inertial navi-gation system, navigation Forward Looking Infra-Red system (NAHAR).
In-flight refuelling and autothrottle (automatic speed control).

- Air-air strike:
Mica IR and EM.

- Air-ground strike:
Conventional bombs, video and laser-guided bombs, Black Shaheen cruise missile, recce pod and SHEHAB laser designation pod.

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9 hours ago, Harlikwin said:

Barely...

During the majority 80's the M2k had RDM and 530F... Like only at the very last year or two did it get RDI and 530D. And even then thats mostly on paper. Hell in 86 they had squadrons with F1's and 530 (not F) flying around.

At any rate I look forward to this new radar model, its about time we get some better sensor modeling in DCS and I really don't care which Dev's do it, be it Raz or Deka, and hopefully ED will follow suite.

 

 

Sorry you're talking B.S, only the first 37 2000 had this radar and were upgraded with modifications to their inlets in order to take the M53 P2 as well, service entry of the 2000 is officialy summer 1983.

https://www.defense.gouv.fr/air/moyens/avions-de-chasse/mirage-2000-c

The 530D was in service before the F-16 Block 25 and to do so had to be equiped with the new RDI radar in the first place.

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Launched in development in 1977, it was commissioned in 1987.

  

1 hour ago, sylkhan said:

Mirage 2000-9 would be (IMO) a better option.

https://www.dassault-aviation.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2012/08/Mirage_2000-9_special_issue1.pdf

- Nav/attack system:
Modular avionics, new RDY-2 multimode radar, digitally terrain following system, new IMEWS countermeasures, Thomrad
radio with frequency evasion and enhanced encoding, glass cockpit with new LCD visualisation plus night vision goggles com-
patibility, data-link, gyro-laser inertial navi-gation system, navigation Forward Looking Infra-Red system (NAHAR).
In-flight refuelling and autothrottle (automatic speed control).

- Air-air strike:
Mica IR and EM.

- Air-ground strike:
Conventional bombs, video and laser-guided bombs, Black Shaheen cruise missile, recce pod and SHEHAB laser designation pod.

Same here, you compare aircraft which are not within the same time frame, as I said, the 2000 was BVR capable well before the introduction of the F-16 Block 25, be it with the F or D model.

If you put them back to this context your F-16/18 would be limited to AIM-9, that's a FACT.

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Service entry of the Mirage 2000C RDI - M53-P2 1987

This is a game but you all try to play "accuracy" and completely forget the real capabilities of those aircrafts within their respective service history, even so, the F-16 Block 25 would equiped with AIM-7, the 530D had snap up performances superior to those models of AIM-7.

Then if you want to talk accuracy, ask yourself why the transonic issues with assymetric load of the F-16 is not simulated in this game.

You don't have a valid argument here.

 

Here is an intercept profile for the 530F.

r530-110.jpg

I suggest you inform yourself before posting stuff like this...


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The Super 530 D is the version adapted to the Mirage 2000 equipped with an on-board pulse doppler radar (called RDI, pulse doppler radar).

The main differences in characteristics compared to the F are as follows: - semi-active EMD doppler seeker (see chapter 8, EMD), with digital technology from 1980 (microprocessor for management); significantly increased range of AD: 50 km; very high resistance to modern countermeasures; - partially digitized computer pilot; - more efficient vehicle: increased mass and length (+ 30 kg and + 265 mm), total impulse thruster 16% higher, with a composite SEP casing; - performance: maximum speed of Mach 5; Possible elevation gain, allowing attacking targets at 24,000m; minimum target altitude of 60 m; Maximum firing distance of 50 km, with an intercept distance of 35 km.

At the time, this missile was "the must have" from a performance standpoint. Launched in development in 1977, it was commissioned in 1987.

1,000 missiles were produced, of which 620 (including 30 training) for France. It was exported with the Mirage 2000 to Egypt, India, Abu Dhabi, Greece. It was widely used by the French Air Force on patrol with AD operation, without fire, during the Gulf War and the conflict in the former Yugoslavia.

This use had not been foreseen and the operating potential of the AD (the mechanics) was limited to 25 hours; but it could be increased to 200 hours after testing. For its part, the third American generation consists of the 7 F and 7 M versions of the Sparrow.

The vehicle has been improved; but it was above all the AD that needed modernization. The reliability of the Sparrow 7 E version used during the Vietnam conflict was viewed by reports in the US Senate as unacceptable; AD had stuck with "tube" technology.

Version 7 F, featuring solid state technology, did not enter service with difficulty until 1978, due to flaws encountered during the evaluation phase; we will see the consequences with the hasty launch of its successor, AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air

http://marc.mistral.free.fr/aventure/militaire/missiles tactiques/mt 59 79/mt ch 09.htm

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https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb42381212q


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