Vietnam Map

[Germane]

After the awsome announcement of the F4 there is only one thing to say... we need a suitable Vietnam map. So ED or 3rd party developers, I hope you see it the same way

[Silver_Dragon]

After the awsome announcement of the F4 there is only one thing to say... we need a suitable Vietnam map. So ED or 3rd party developers, I hope you see it the same way

ED has talked no plans about Vietnam map.

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[MAXsenna]

30 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

ED has talked no plans about Vietnam map.

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Doesn't matter! We still need it!

[Northstar98]

Only issue with Vietnam is that it will be a map that is densely populated with objects, as well as having lots of land area required. Think Marianas mixed with the Caucasus.

There's also still the lack of appropriate modules and assets (though, maybe being pedantic), beside earlier F-4s.

Edited January 26, 2022 by Northstar98

[MAXsenna]

Just now, Northstar98 said:

Only issue with Vietnam is that it will be a map that is densely populated with objects, as well as having lots of land area required. Think Marianas mixed with the Caucasus.

Sure, but we still need it!
Did you ever think about that new tech that came with The Marianas, whatever it was, could perhaps be related to a potential Nam?

Pretty sure parts of it will be here in less than four years.

[Nexus-6]

I can already smell the smoke from all the overtaxed GPUs.

 

But, in all seriousness, the map itself is just the beginning. There are a lot of assets that would have to be made alongside it.

[Northstar98]

9 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

Did you ever think about that new tech that came with The Marianas, whatever it was, could perhaps be related to a potential Nam?

I did, though mostly what the technology was supposed to be.

• Lighting? Same as every other map, and only SoH/PG has a dramatically improved lighs and lighting.
• Terrain mesh? Nothing special, it's not particularly high resolution, or even that accurate in some cases.
• We did get some nice rocks around coastlines, not sure that's new technology though...
• Performance? It's the worst performing map, despite having the least land area.

As for Vietnam? While I'm not that interested myself (might hide under a table after saying that) I guess we'll have to wait and see

Edited January 26, 2022 by Northstar98

[Dragon1-1]

We'll supposedly get Vietnam eventually, along with every country in the world.  ED is making the whole world map, remember. They also have some sort of plan for having it cover multiple time periods. 

[Northstar98]

6 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

We'll supposedly get Vietnam eventually, along with every country in the world.  ED is making the whole world map, remember. They also have some sort of plan for having it cover multiple time periods. 

True, but I think it's likely that the base world will be lower resolution mesh and textures (possibly just using satellite photos), with at least major aerodromes present and with the correct layout, but maybe using generic structures.

Our current and future theatres would then override the areas they cover.

[Gunfreak]

45 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

Only issue with Vietnam is that it will be a map that is densely populated with objects, as well as having lots of land area required. Think Marianas mixed with the Caucasus.

There's also still the lack of appropriate modules and assets (though, maybe being pedantic), beside earlier F-4s.

 

A4 mod is perfect. We are getting the A6, A7, F4, F8. We have the Huey. 

North Vienam has the MiG19 and 21. And only needs the 17.

And we have hercules mod, Chinnock mod.

So except for the stuff already planed we are only missing MiG17, map and ground assets. 

[Silver_Dragon]

11 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

A4 mod is perfect. We are getting the A6, A7, F4, F8. We have the Huey. 

North Vienam has the MiG19 and 21. And only needs the 17.

And we have hercules mod, Chinnock mod.

So except for the stuff already planed we are only missing MiG17, map and ground assets. 

Has a team intent get 3rd party status with a Mig-17 on plans.

[Dragon1-1]

Yeah, although it would be nice to get an actual Vietnam-era MiG-21. The one we have was only in Soviet service when the war ended, and while it is a Vietnam-era design, this particular variant didn't fight in there. Also, our MiG-21 is a rather dated module and is in many places inaccurate, a properly made -21F-13 or -21PFL would be more fitting.

[Northstar98]

39 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

We are getting the A6, A7, F4, F8. We have the Huey.

The A-6E and A-7E are post Vietnam variants.

The A-6E is at least a TRAM (DRS) which is 1979 at the earliest.

A-7E is an 80s version.

If we get a Vietnam F-4 sure, not sure about the Huey.

39 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

 North Vienam has the MiG19 and 21. And only needs the 17.

The VPAF used the J-6 (closest to the MiG-19S) AFAIK, not the MiG-19P.

They also used the MiG-21F-13, PFL, PFM and MF, they only got the bis nearly half a decade after the war ended.

39 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

And we have hercules mod

Which is a C-130J, which, at the very earliest, is 1999.

39 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

Chinnock mod.

Also, more modern.

Edited January 26, 2022 by Northstar98

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

Huey nerds correct me, but the only thing our UH-1H has that the Vietnam-vintage iteration lacked are flares. That's at least an easy work around. 

Still, we really don't have a Vietnam appropriate ride-set. Or rather, Southeast Asia as you'd need to include at least Laos and Cambodia.

Edited January 26, 2022 by MiG21bisFishbedL

[Gunfreak]

20 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

The A-6E and A-7E are post Vietnam variants.

The A-6E is at least a TRAM (DRS) which is 1979 at the earliest.

A-7E is an 80s version.

If we get a Vietnam F-4 sure, not sure about the Huey.

The VPAF used the J-6 (closest to the MiG-19S) AFAIK, not the MiG-19P.

They also used the MiG-21F-13, PFL, PFM and MF, they only got the bis nearly half a decade after the war ended.

Which is a C-130J, which, at the very earliest, is 1999.

Also, more modern.

 

Yes. And we fly 1980s cold war missions with 2007 F16s.

It's close enough. And mods and variations can come and fix on things. 

[Victory205]

Why don't you gents pool your resources and either commission a design team to make one, or do it yourself?

[Northstar98]

26 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

Yes. And we fly 1980s cold war missions with 2007 F16s.

Yes, but we do that in lieu of having an appropriate F-16.

Flying our substantially more modernised F-16 into Cold War missions, don't make our F-16 a Cold War F-16, and tbh our F-16 is a pretty bad approximation of even Cold War C models, let alone A models (which were almost certainly more prolific).

26 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

It's close enough. And mods and variations can come and fix on things. 

"It's close enough" is going to be hugely subjective, and the degree of 'close-ness' will vary on a per aircraft basis.

Now I never said you couldn't or shouldn't use them as stand-ins, but my point remains that there really are very few aircraft that are accurate to the plane-set of the Vietnam War. In addition there are no ships, and very few ground assets (besides a few SAMs).

18 minutes ago, Victory205 said:

Why don't you gents pool your resources and either commission a design team to make one, or do it yourself?

Because I have the programming and 3D modelling competency of a used teabag.

That and a Vietnam map would probably have the largest land area while being densely populated with objects - 2 things that aren't a great mix for DCS performance wise.

Edited January 26, 2022 by Northstar98

[divinee]

You guys think too negatively.. If someone makes Vietnam map, wouldn’t that be great? If you are not interested in that, there are lots of other people willing to pay for it and you are still losing nothing. If HB is planning to do more phantoms, the propability that we are getting Vietnam era version in a couple years timeframe is quite great and we need a map for that. Also Vietnam map would be excellent from the sales point of view (lots of Vietnam era fans here). Would be crazy not to make it. ED is improving the core all the time so i wouldn’t keep Vietnam map as impossible to model or run. I’m not saying that HB should do that map and we have other companies specialised in those.

[Rudel_chw]

2 minutes ago, divinee said:

You guys think too negatively.. If someone makes Vietnam map, wouldn’t that be great?

 

Yes, but shouldnt that go onto the Wishlist threads? ... and in that case I believe that there have been requests for Vietnam Map before, I'm sure ED is aware of this wish.

[divinee]

Just now, Rudel_chw said:

 

Yes, but shouldnt that go onto the Wishlist threads? ... and in that case I believe that there have been requests for Vietnam Map before, I'm sure ED is aware of this wish.

Then this whole topic is in a wrong place among many other topics

[Beirut]

2 hours ago, Northstar98 said:

Only issue with Vietnam is that it will be a map that is densely populated with objects, as well as having lots of land area required. Think Marianas mixed with the Caucasus.

 

 

 

But if they're going to do Paris and London, maybe Hanoi and Haiphong aren't too much of a stretch.

[Silver_Dragon]

1 minute ago, Beirut said:

 

But if they're going to do Paris and London, maybe Hanoi and Haiphong aren't too much of a stretch.

Ugra Media go to "redone and expand" Normandy... someone need build a Vietnam map from scratch..

[Beirut]

8 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

Ugra Media go to "redone and expand" Normandy... someone need build a Vietnam map from scratch..

 

Yes. I was just referring to the possible density of the map objects.

[Silver_Dragon]

3 minutes ago, Beirut said:

 

Yes. I was just referring to the possible density of the map objects.

Has better example actual Syria map (Beirut - Damasco - Tel Avid)..

Edited January 26, 2022 by Silver_Dragon

[Northstar98]

11 minutes ago, Beirut said:

But if they're going to do Paris and London, maybe Hanoi and Haiphong aren't too much of a stretch.

The area though is much larger than even the Normandy map expanded to Paris and London.

I don't know, but it seems like it would be a map with at least the total land area of the Caucasus (not just the detailed area), but with similar object density to the Marianas (though mostly just Vegetation).

Don't forget BLUFOR airbases are in Thailand (but at least most of these are in the central/eastern area).

And this is before we get into AI pathfinding.

I'm not saying it's impossible or that I'm opposed, it's just that to me it seems more ambitious and potentially problematic.