Request: Runway Arrestor Gear System

[Shrike88]

With the advent of the F-16 hook on its way, and other modules having the ability to add this.  Coupled with the super carrier and the knowhow to code in a carrier cable system can we please add this feature. ? 
https://skybrary.aero/articles/runway-arrestor-gear-systems

Instead of having to go through and add cable systems also to already existing maps, it can be produced as a unit in the ME that can be placed down and will allow this.  That way mission designers can add this to any already existing runway placement.  

Thanks

[upyr1]

yes

[Hawkmoon]

+1

[Mike Force Team]

With the system of arrester cables and arrester nets for land-based runways, this would be a great option for the air bases to use.  This adds realism to the DCS World.  ED, please add this.  Thank you.

MFT

[Tank50us]

I'd hope they do it as both a physical system installed at the airfields, and as a portable system, with portable ILS and Optical systems that can be used to establish road bases.

Heck, while we're at it, how about some inflatable hangars that can be used as spawn-points?

 

[Northstar98]

+1, a very long requested wish.

[Shrike88]

Unfortunatly this is where a very active and robust Mod community with an open source SDK would have something out and of quality very promptly, before its ever even considered by ED.  As they have already had the portable IFLOS from the NAVY modpack that worked and was very useful.  (broke in subsequent updates)

On 2/19/2022 at 5:35 AM, Northstar98 said:

+1, a very long requested wish.

 

Edited February 24, 2022 by Shrike88

[Callsign112]

+1

[FlankerKiller]

+1

[Saguanay]

Great idea

 

Edited June 22, 2024 by Saguanay

[ruxtmp]

They still have not even implemented the barrier for the supercarrier. If mod makers could have more access this and many other items would be done already.

[Shrike88]

After flying the DCS viper for over 4 years now in DCS and watching its most recent development progress slow significantly this last year all the while still striving for more systems functionality, yet alone the damage model to accompany it.  I am starting to realize now any hops of a runway arrestor system for the Viper is really just a pipe dream.  Oh well. 

Edited July 5, 2024 by Shrike88

[rob10]

20 minutes ago, Shrike88 said:

After flying the DCS viper for over 4 years now in DCS and watching its most recent development progress slow significantly this last year all the while still striving for more systems functionality, yet alone the damage model to accompany it.  I am starting to realize now any hops of a runway arrestor system for the Viper is really just a pipe dream.  Oh well.

Since ED has indicated on more than one occasion already that they had no plans of implementing this, yes it likely is a pipe dream.  They do change their minds sometimes, so it could still happen, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.

[ruxtmp]

33 minutes ago, rob10 said:

Since ED has indicated on more than one occasion already that they had no plans of implementing this, yes it likely is a pipe dream.  They do change their minds sometimes, so it could still happen, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.

Maybe a modder will figure it out and push it out for everyone. They seem to be delivering more and more these days.

[Shrike88]

Well to my surprise landing in Korea at an undisclosed airbase in an un mentioned other simulator in a completed working F-16 viper the hook system worked. Was so cool declaring an emergency with ATC and running the procedure. Not expecting the arresting system to work like DCS, but in the sim it’s actually modeled ! So cool

 

just putting the info out there

[Xeemix]

100% back this, could make some really short runways viable for the modules like the F-16, F-5E etc. that have hooks!

[Jackjack171]

On 2/18/2022 at 8:41 AM, Mike Force Team said:

With the system of arrester cables and arrester nets for land-based runways, this would be a great option for the air bases to use.  This adds realism to the DCS World.  ED, please add this.  Thank you.

MFT

Hate to be that guy but...the only problem with your statement is that using it the way you guys want, is not realism. The E-28 land based arresting gear is only used for emergencies, not makeshift airfields. They get knocked out of battery quite often IRL by departing aircraft. US Air Force bases use them for emergencies but, no lens. As soon as you use it for short field ops, you just stepped into never-never land! Nellis and Anderson could definitely use these (arresting gear) and with that, neither of the bases that we have in DCS use a lens for FCLP's or anything else! 

[Dragon1-1]

Well, the lens is a mobile unit (see the wheels on the trailer?), so in theory, they could set it up for FCLP purposes just about anywhere. I agree about using the arresting gear for short field landings, but OTOH, emergencies are not exactly unknown in DCS. While the DM is still a bit too basic, you can eat a flak round and have some systems knocked out, which could require cables or even nets on the runway.

[Jackjack171]

25 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Well, the lens is a mobile unit (see the wheels on the trailer?), so in theory, they could set it up for FCLP purposes just about anywhere. I agree about using the arresting gear for short field landings, but OTOH, emergencies are not exactly unknown in DCS. While the DM is still a bit too basic, you can eat a flak round and have some systems knocked out, which could require cables or even nets on the runway.

Just pointing out facts is all. I was attempting to clear up the realism claim. Yes, the lens is mobile, (I've towed it around the airfield on shore duty) but not for the uses in this post. The USAF doesn't use it! The carrier landing box is also needed if FCLP's are the goal. DCS needs a true Naval Air Station, but I won't hold my breath. Also to consider, anytime the arresting gear is used, it shuts down the runway for a time. It is not like the carrier gear that retracts upon activation from the Arresting Gear Officer (AGO). If my memory serves, the gear has to be replaced and put back into battery. A crew has to be on station to free the hook from said gear. And then the aircraft gets a tow back to the line. Reality is greater than fiction!

[Dragon1-1]

Since we do not have a proper NAS in DCS, I was thinking about scenarios like Reflected's Speed and Angels, where Nellis is turned into one. Presumably, the lens would be towed to it and a box temporarily painted on the runway. Both can be handled using DCS objects. The point is to allow DCS players to do FCLP, even on airbases where it's not usually done. Of course, ideally we'd have NAS Miramar and/or Lemoore (I have a fondness for the latter due to it being in an ancient Super Hornet sim).

Yes, USAF arresting gear does shut down the runway for a while, especially since aircraft using it is typically in no shape to taxi back. It should do that in DCS, too, particularly in DC, where this would impact the strategic picture. Still better than losing an aircraft. Ground crew running around unhooking and hitching the aircraft, then stowing the gear would be icing on the cake, maybe after Supercarrier crew gets finished we'll start getting things like that.

Edited August 1, 2024 by Dragon1-1

[draconus]

I wouldn't mix the wish for FCLP and its lens into this thread. It has nothing to do with runway emergency arrestor system.

We do have some airbases in DCS that have the arrestor system either IRL or modeled in the map so it's a valid request.

[Volator]

This wish also deserves a "Noted" tag by the mods.

[f16sim]

+1 on the runway arresting cable.

Edited November 18, 2024 by f16sim

[zHamii]

BUMP

+1 to this. hopefully we can get a comment from ED on this!